Discussion Thread for Nelson Mandela's Health

[Ifreann]

The world will get a less interesting when we lose him. It'll be a sad day for most of us, but no one lives forever. We just have to remember his deeds and his memory.

I don't know if it'll get less interesting. It's been a while since Mandela has done anything more interesting than getting sick and recovering.

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Ding dong, the witch doctor is dead soon!

Hippostania pre-emptively celebrating the death of someone he disagrees with. I am not surprised at all.

Lefties celebrating that a person who they disagree with has a disability and can't speak.

I am not surprised at all.

As for Beck, I hope that he gets well soon and can resume his work.

Lefties celebrating someone who they disagree with having something unfortunate happen to him.

How terrible.

It's a good thing no right-wingers celebrate when something unfortunate happens to someone they disagree with.

Oh, wait. Shit.

This is a glorious day for all Venezuelans, and I can only imagine their joy right now. The tyrant is dead...Even though I'm an atheist, I truly hope that Chavez is burning in hell right now for his crimes.

Something something something speck of sawdust in your brother's eye plank in your own eye.

[The IASM]

Ding dong, the witch doctor is dead soon!

I have mixed views of Mandela, though they're mostly negative. He is a murderer who ordered bombings that killed hundreds of innocent civilians, enabled the cultural genocide of Afrikaner culture and directly caused dramatic increase in crime and inflation. In January 1985, South African State President P.W. Botha offered Mandela unconditional amnesty and immidiate freedom from Robben Island if he denounced violence as a political violence. Guess what murderer Mandela did? He refused!

Still, you have to give credit that despite pretty much fucking up South Africa, he managed to avert a white genocide that would've undoubtedly occurred if someone more extremist would've been in control of ANC. Mandela managed to act in a reconciliatory way, discouraging vengeance and managing to avert a complete race war, though his successors like Zuma are majorly fucking up his legacy.

Overall, I see Mandela as a terrorist murderer that did some good things, but not enough good things to justify the dozens of dead white men, women and children whose death he caused. I hope that before he dies, he would discredit Zuma and encourage real reconciliatory actions like putting an immidiate stop to Afrikaner cultural genocide, for example by reinstating the old flag and coat of arms that had existed long before apartheid.

Hippo, just no - Afrikaners have never had a true identity in South Africa, they are foreigners and they need out.

[Heavenly Peace]

Enlighten me then how South Africa will "[go] to the shit" after his death.

Mandela is practically worshiped in South Africa by everyone. Black or white, male or female, left or right, the man is loved by everyone. While he is alive, the ANC is restricting going full-retard with its racist and corrupt policies because they don't want to disappoint him. Once he's dead, he won't know, so they'll do whatever they want.

Fair enough.

[Divair]

Mandela is practically worshiped in South Africa by everyone. Black or white, male or female, left or right, the man is loved by everyone. While he is alive, the ANC is restricting going full-retard with its racist and corrupt policies because they don't want to disappoint him. Once he's dead, he won't know, so they'll do whatever they want.

Fair enough.

Glad you're being reasonable about this.

[Hippostania]

we already covered how that person was actively supporting and enabling genocide, which you supported.

Uh, no we didn't. You people spouted how Thatcher has risen up straight from the depths of hell to oppress poor innocent working class men and children and refused to accept any conflicting evidence.

so again as "guy who regularly defends brutal dictatorships and arming genocidal regimes". have you considered that maybe you are massive hypocrite who should stop?

Not really. I'm going to continue defending freedom whether you like it or not.

I have to agree with you there Hippo. Who wouldn't rather have tea with Cecil Rhodes than Robert Mugabe?

Indeed! It's a damn shame that Mugabe wasn't overthrown before Ian Smith's death.

[Ostroeuropa]

Ding dong, the witch doctor is dead soon!

I have mixed views of Mandela, though they're mostly negative. He is a murderer who ordered bombings that killed hundreds of innocent civilians, enabled the cultural genocide of Afrikaner culture and directly caused dramatic increase in crime and inflation. In January 1985, South African State President P.W. Botha offered Mandela unconditional amnesty and immidiate freedom from Robben Island if he denounced violence as a political violence. Guess what murderer Mandela did? He refused!

Still, you have to give credit that despite pretty much fucking up South Africa, he managed to avert a white genocide that would've undoubtedly occurred if someone more extremist would've been in control of ANC. Mandela managed to act in a reconciliatory way, discouraging vengeance and managing to avert a complete race war, though his successors like Zuma are majorly fucking up his legacy.

Overall, I see Mandela as a terrorist murderer that did some good things, but not enough good things to justify the dozens of dead white men, women and children whose death he caused. I hope that before he dies, he would discredit Zuma and encourage real reconciliatory actions like putting an immidiate stop to Afrikaner cultural genocide, for example by reinstating the old flag and coat of arms that had existed long before apartheid.

Hippo, just no - Afrikaners have never had a true identity in South Africa, they are foreigners and they need out.

They are not foreigners.
They are born in that country.

[Divair]

Ding dong, the witch doctor is dead soon!

I have mixed views of Mandela, though they're mostly negative. He is a murderer who ordered bombings that killed hundreds of innocent civilians, enabled the cultural genocide of Afrikaner culture and directly caused dramatic increase in crime and inflation. In January 1985, South African State President P.W. Botha offered Mandela unconditional amnesty and immidiate freedom from Robben Island if he denounced violence as a political violence. Guess what murderer Mandela did? He refused!

Still, you have to give credit that despite pretty much fucking up South Africa, he managed to avert a white genocide that would've undoubtedly occurred if someone more extremist would've been in control of ANC. Mandela managed to act in a reconciliatory way, discouraging vengeance and managing to avert a complete race war, though his successors like Zuma are majorly fucking up his legacy.

Overall, I see Mandela as a terrorist murderer that did some good things, but not enough good things to justify the dozens of dead white men, women and children whose death he caused. I hope that before he dies, he would discredit Zuma and encourage real reconciliatory actions like putting an immidiate stop to Afrikaner cultural genocide, for example by reinstating the old flag and coat of arms that had existed long before apartheid.

Hippo, just no - Afrikaners have never had a true identity in South Africa, they are foreigners and they need out.

We know. That's why a ton of us have left over the past 20 years.

[Ostroeuropa]

Hippo, just no - Afrikaners have never had a true identity in South Africa, they are foreigners and they need out.

We know. That's why a ton of us have left over the past 20 years.

That's a fairly disgusting way to talk and think. It's the same mindset of the racists

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

cries about people celebrating thatchers death, does this

And now people complain about it, that's the circle of NSG.

So you're complaining that people call you out on your hypocrisy.

I haven't supported a single brutal military dictatorship, unless you people count executing people who have committed treason as "brutal".

Look at the treasonous man! He committed treason by singing and protesting against a coup! Evil treasonous man!

Who doesn't?

People who aren't racists?

A prosperous nation in the heart of Africa or a tyrannic shithole that is Zimbabwe, which one would you choose?

So you miss the brutal antidemocratic white supremacist state.

That says rather a lot, actually.

[Divair]

We know. That's why a ton of us have left over the past 20 years.

That's a fairly disgusting way to talk and think. It's the same mindset of the racists

Why? We're being raped by the ANC and they'll hold a super majority for the next 100 years. We've got no reason to stay in South Africa. There's a reason why between 95 and 05 a million of us left, and it's not because we like racism.

[Souseiseki]

Uh, no we didn't. You people spouted how Thatcher has risen up straight from the depths of hell to oppress poor innocent working class men and children and refused to accept any conflicting evidence.

sent SAS troops to train the troops of the khmer rogue. supported and sent weapons to suharo while he was committing genocide knowingly full well what they were being used for. etc. etc.

this is probably not entirely on topic so i'd appreciate it if we could get through it fast.

Not really. I'm going to continue defending freedom whether you like it or not.

because being dragged out of your bed in the middle of the night, jailed without trial and brutally murdered because you dared to disagree with the government is what freedom truly means.

[Heavenly Peace]

Hippo, just no - Afrikaners have never had a true identity in South Africa, they are foreigners and they need out.

The K.K.K. said the same thing about Negros. . .

[Ostroeuropa]

That's a fairly disgusting way to talk and think. It's the same mindset of the racists

Why? We're being raped by the ANC and they'll hold a super majority for the next 100 years. We've got no reason to stay in South Africa. There's a reason why between 95 and 05 a million of us left, and it's not because we like racism.

Then call for a UN intervention. It's your homeland too.

[Divair]

Why? We're being raped by the ANC and they'll hold a super majority for the next 100 years. We've got no reason to stay in South Africa. There's a reason why between 95 and 05 a million of us left, and it's not because we like racism.

Then call for a UN intervention. It's your homeland too.

As if the UN will do anything.

[Vettrera]

I think he needs to let go.
But that country is going to fall into disarray.

[Hippostania]

Hippo, just no - Afrikaners have never had a true identity in South Africa, they are foreigners and they need out.

The fuck?

When Afrikaners arrived, South Africa was a barren wasteland with no permanent inhabitants with the exception of some scattered tribes around Natal and Free State. The Boers, the Cape Colony's inhabitants and perhaps the scattered zulu tribes in Natal are the only true South Africans; the rest are just blacks who migrated southwards to the most prosperous country on the continent. Eventually, the South African government gave both Zulus and the immigrants self-rule in the areas that they had inhabited in 1913.

[Shirah Mataniya]

Didn't Margaret Thatcher call him a grubby little terrorist?

[Souseiseki]

Didn't Margaret Thatcher call him a grubby little terrorist?

yes

[Ostroeuropa]

Then call for a UN intervention. It's your homeland too.

As if the UN will do anything.

Presumably you think that black people should leave the US, or should have prior to the 60's.
I'm guessing you think all the muslims should leave Britain. etc

[Heavenly Peace]

Didn't Margaret Thatcher call him a grubby little terrorist?

yes

Source and exact quotation please.

[Divair]

As if the UN will do anything.

Presumably you think that black people should leave the US, or should have prior to the 60's.
I'm guessing you think all the muslims should leave Britain. etc

You don't seem to understand how royally fucked SA is. The US and Europe have systems in place to prevent mass discrimination against a minority. SA does not. The entire government is a huge corrupt mess. There's no way out of this unless you want us to overthrow the government via force, which wouldn't end well for anyone.

[Hippostania]

Look at the treasonous man! He committed treason by singing and protesting against a coup! Evil treasonous man!

Yup, a communist party member who betrayed the Chilean people and was punished for it. I don't see the problem.

People who aren't racists?

Look at me in the eyes and say that as a white, you'd rather live in Zimbabwe than in Rhodesia. Maybe, just maybe, it's not the multicultural society free of hate that you think it is.

So you miss the brutal antidemocratic white supremacist state

I'd rather have a prosperous nation where at least some people can vote than a shithole where no one can vote.

[Ostroeuropa]

Presumably you think that black people should leave the US, or should have prior to the 60's.
I'm guessing you think all the muslims should leave Britain. etc

You don't seem to understand how royally fucked SA is. The US and Europe have systems in place to prevent mass discrimination against a minority. SA does not. The entire government is a huge corrupt mess. There's no way out of this unless you want us to overthrow the government via force, which wouldn't end well for anyone.

Back parties that are anti-corruption then.

[Divair]

You don't seem to understand how royally fucked SA is. The US and Europe have systems in place to prevent mass discrimination against a minority. SA does not. The entire government is a huge corrupt mess. There's no way out of this unless you want us to overthrow the government via force, which wouldn't end well for anyone.

Back parties that are anti-corruption then.

You think we don't? It makes no difference because we're an absurdly tiny minority. The ANC has a super majority, and it will continue to have one for the rest of our lives.

[Ostroeuropa]

Back parties that are anti-corruption then.

You think we don't? It makes no difference because we're an absurdly tiny minority. The ANC has a super majority, and it will continue to have one for the rest of our lives.

Are you implying that the black majority is somehow in favor of corruption? How do you think the blacks got equality in the US.
Are you saying that the whites weren't a majority there too?