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The Serbian Empire
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:45 pm

Quintium wrote:It bothers me that Anonymous is now known primarily as an 'activist group'. I'm not usually one for nostalgia, but back in the day people like him would have been laughed at and ostracized rather than praised in those circles. He sounds like a classic white knight, involving himself in stuff he has nothing to do with just for the sake of looking heroic and getting the - apparently much-needed for him - praise of young women on the internet.

But that's Anonymous now - and it has been like that for a few years now. It's been hijacked by the young progressive left - bleeding heart script kiddies with an overdeveloped sense of 'justice' and an underdeveloped sense of humour. Instead of closing pools due to AIDS, today's young whippersnappers are attacking Israel's websites to defend the rights of 'the poor Palestinians'. Instead of being the Internet Hate Machine, they're a bunch of misguided and disorganized socialist knights in shining armour.

They should ditch the partisan crap and get back to being an instrument of chaos.

This is what happens when /b/ got flooded with regular people who thought Anonymous was cool back in the Eternal Summer of 2007.
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Postby Gravlen » Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:47 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Also two completely different crimes, different situations, and different classes of criminals (children vs. adult).

Different victims, different points in the whole criminal justice process. Very different stuff indeed.

Why it's almost as if... as if... it's not the same at all. :blink:
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:55 pm

Quintium wrote:It bothers me that Anonymous is now known primarily as an 'activist group'. I'm not usually one for nostalgia, but back in the day people like him would have been laughed at and ostracized rather than praised in those circles. He sounds like a classic white knight, involving himself in stuff he has nothing to do with just for the sake of looking heroic and getting the - apparently much-needed for him - praise of young women on the internet.

But that's Anonymous now - and it has been like that for a few years now. It's been hijacked by the young progressive left - bleeding heart script kiddies with an overdeveloped sense of 'justice' and an underdeveloped sense of humour. Instead of closing pools due to AIDS, today's young whippersnappers are attacking Israel's websites to defend the rights of 'the poor Palestinians'. Instead of being the Internet Hate Machine, they're a bunch of misguided and disorganized socialist knights in shining armour.

They should ditch the partisan crap and get back to being an instrument of chaos.

Anon were never an instrument for chaos. Just for their own fleeting amusement. Though that annoys me less that people thinking that DDoS attacks or releasing dox are somehow "fighting the good fight". No. You're the internet equivalent of vandals.


Gravlen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Different victims, different points in the whole criminal justice process. Very different stuff indeed.

Why it's almost as if... as if... it's not the same at all. :blink:

Surely they must be the same, they're loosely related to the same event!

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Postby Trotskylvania » Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:57 pm

Ohio's sentencing guidelines are fucked.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:01 pm

I would also like to say that ten years in prison is a small price to pay to bring those degenerates to justice.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:01 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:Ohio's sentencing guidelines are fucked.

Because rapists can go down for less than the federal maximum for hacking?

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Postby Gravlen » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:02 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:Ohio's sentencing guidelines are fucked.

What, exactly, do you think is wrong with them?

Trotskylvania wrote:I would also like to say that ten years in prison is a small price to pay to bring those degenerates to justice.

You do realize that the act which may land him in prison for a long time did not contribute to getting the rapists to justice?
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Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby The God-Realm » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:09 pm

This is horrible, I hope the anon is ok.

But guys shut the fuck up about "rape culture". That makes me sick that you think there is one.
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Postby AiliailiA » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:10 pm

Dude, you're a hero. That doesn't mean you won't go to jail. See, the thing about being "anonymous" is not telling people it was you.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:14 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:I would also like to say that ten years in prison is a small price to pay to bring those degenerates to justice.

Please elucidate on how Lostutter brought these rapists to justice. What evidence he discovered was submitted against them in court? Was he the one to make the police aware of that crime?

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Postby The God-Realm » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:15 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:I would also like to say that ten years in prison is a small price to pay to bring those degenerates to justice.

Please elucidate on how Lostutter brought these rapists to justice. What evidence he discovered was submitted against them in court? Was he the one to make the police aware of that crime?

ifreann doubting lulz once again.
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Esternial wrote:
The God-Realm wrote:No

people who qq over losing a gf over a small penis size are insecure and need to check themselves

Before they wreck themselves?

Or their ex' car.

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Postby AiliailiA » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:23 pm

Evidence obtained illegally isn't permissible in court. By illegally obtaining the evidence before police can legally obtain it, a vigilante could actually make it harder not easier to convict.

It's probably better not to even try, but assuming you did and came across evidence, why would you do anything but deliver it to police?
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Ifreann wrote:
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What are the colons meant to convey here?
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:23 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:Ohio's sentencing guidelines are fucked.

What would you prefer to have for what was essentially an unconsented to fingering session while the victim was unconscious ?
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:27 pm

The God-Realm wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Please elucidate on how Lostutter brought these rapists to justice. What evidence he discovered was submitted against them in court? Was he the one to make the police aware of that crime?

ifreann doubting lulz once again.

Cool story bro?

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Postby The God-Realm » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:31 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The God-Realm wrote:ifreann doubting lulz once again.

Cool story bro?

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The God-Realm wrote:No

people who qq over losing a gf over a small penis size are insecure and need to check themselves

Before they wreck themselves?

Or their ex' car.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:33 pm

The God-Realm wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Cool story bro?

Don't use internet memes.

You lost the privilege.

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Postby Esternial » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:37 pm

Regardless of his deeds, virtuous or not, he still committed crimes.

I'm not sure it warrants ten whole years, though.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:00 pm

Esternial wrote:Regardless of his deeds, virtuous or not, he still committed crimes.

I'm not sure it warrants ten whole years, though.

I doubt he'll get the maximum for hacking a football fan club website.

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Postby Esternial » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:01 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Esternial wrote:Regardless of his deeds, virtuous or not, he still committed crimes.

I'm not sure it warrants ten whole years, though.

I doubt he'll get the maximum for hacking a football fan club website.

Why did they even take his Xbox?

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Postby Galborg » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:06 pm

Ailiailia wrote:Evidence obtained illegally isn't permissible in court. By illegally obtaining the evidence before police can legally obtain it, a vigilante could actually make it harder not easier to convict.

It's probably better not to even try, but assuming you did and came across evidence, why would you do anything but deliver it to police?


Because we already know that Ohio police are pro rape and the police had no intention of prosecuting the preverts.

In the old days, vigilantes killed rapists, but the problem was that without due process, sometimes vigilantes might kill innocents. Now, the entire state of Ohio has abolished due process and decreed that criticizing rape is vigilantism and blasphemy.
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Postby Esternial » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:08 pm

Galborg wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:Evidence obtained illegally isn't permissible in court. By illegally obtaining the evidence before police can legally obtain it, a vigilante could actually make it harder not easier to convict.

It's probably better not to even try, but assuming you did and came across evidence, why would you do anything but deliver it to police?


Because we already know that Ohio police are pro rape and the police had no intention of prosecuting the preverts.

In the old days, vigilantes killed rapists, but the problem was that without due process, sometimes vigilantes might kill innocents. Now, the entire state of Ohio has abolished due process and decreed that criticizing rape is vigilantism and blasphemy.

That doesn't make them pro-rape, that just means they don't want vigilantes killing innocent people.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:09 pm

Esternial wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I doubt he'll get the maximum for hacking a football fan club website.

Why did they even take his Xbox?

Because it's an electronic device, which is where evidence of cybercrimes would be.


Galborg wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:Evidence obtained illegally isn't permissible in court. By illegally obtaining the evidence before police can legally obtain it, a vigilante could actually make it harder not easier to convict.

It's probably better not to even try, but assuming you did and came across evidence, why would you do anything but deliver it to police?


Because we already know that Ohio police are pro rape and the police had no intention of prosecuting the preverts.

In the old days, vigilantes killed rapists, but the problem was that without due process, sometimes vigilantes might kill innocents. Now, the entire state of Ohio has abolished due process and decreed that criticizing rape is vigilantism and blasphemy.

Just about everything you've just said is a lie.

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Postby Forsher » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:24 pm

Guy commits crime, up for the maximum possible sentence... shocking.

With regards to Dotcom... he's currently living a bad political thriller (that may be an understatement) so it's not really surprising.
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Postby Galborg » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:28 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Esternial wrote:Why did they even take his Xbox?

Because it's an electronic device, which is where evidence of cybercrimes would be.


Galborg wrote:
1) Because we already know that Ohio police are pro rape and the police had no intention of prosecuting the preverts.

2) In the old days, vigilantes killed rapists,
3), but the problem was that without due process, sometimes vigilantes might kill innocents.
4) Now, the entire state of Ohio has abolished due process and
5) decreed that criticizing rape is vigilantism
6) and blasphemy.

Just about everything you've just said is a lie.

which bit is the lie?

Police collusion was already proven in the previous thread.
Have vigilantes NEVER hanged rapists?
Have vigilantes NEVER made mistakes?
Why is killing someone accused of a crime, but not proven EXACTLY the same as denouncing someone who openly gloats about committing the crime?
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:30 pm

Hacking private Social Security numbers and other information, then threatening to distribute them as part of a blackmail scheme: 10 years.

Wait, no, that's too long to use as a thread title, isn't it?

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