Rape: 1 years, 2 years. Bringing rapists to justice: 10.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Federal crimes also have a mandatory minimum sentence.

Let's make rape a federal offense!

Which would not typically invoke federal involvement. Note that murder doesn't immediately invoke federal involvement, and until 1965 even assassinating the President was not considered a "federal crime".

[OMGeverynameistaken]

Twitter is public domain. How is that hacking anything?

He's being charged with hacking the football team's fan website.

You know, the one somebody else already admitted to hacking.

[Gravlen]

Sorry Anon, picking a good target this time doesn't give you a get out of jail free card. Clap him in irons!

That's not the problem, the problem is that his sentence is much longer than the sentence of the actual rapists.

What sentence?

[Ifreann]

So why is it "Bringing rapists to justice: 10", as though the accused has done something good that shouldn't be punished at all? Complaining that hacking gets a higher sentence than rape, fine, go for it. Shit, go for it hard, because that's pretty messed the fuck up. But let's not act like hacking rapists makes you a hero like the goddamned Batman or something.

I guess it could be considered an extreme example of the whole "if you've nothing to hide..." opinion. These guys clearly had shit to hide, KY brought it into the open.
The rozzers went from there and did their shit.

It's basically non-violent vigilante justice.

Regardless, it's a crime, and rightly so. If Lostutter did it, lock the sumbitch up.

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Twelve FBI agents with assault rifles to arrest a guy for hacking? What was he going to do, hit them with a keyboard?

They have to force entry, because if they knocked and called out "FBI" he'd have been wiping drives like a mad yoke. If they're going to force entry, they need to be prepared for a violent reaction, because plenty of people would go for a gun at hearing their door get put in. That means an armed SWAT team.

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Twelve FBI agents with assault rifles to arrest a guy for hacking? What was he going to do, hit them with a keyboard?

It's kind of standard procedure against hackers...if I'm not mistaken. I've heard of greater force being used against movie uploaders.

I'll be honest, my assessment above is entirely guesswork on my part, but I'd go for it being the reason. I think the same shit happened to Kim Dotcom.

[The Serbian Empire]

Protip - don't call it that.
You won't get far with an opinion like that, even on here.

Two - arguably, rape culture is indeed implied by the poor preliminary sentence estimates on the alleged rapists and the frankly bizarre preliminary sentence on the 'hacker' who uncovered their supposed crime and their involvement in it.

There is no sentence for the hacker he ha not been convicted yet.

As for the rape I am not surprised several factors seemed to mitigate the punishment.

I heard the minimum is a year in prison for hacking of this nature. Which still makes a double standard of the rapist and the hacker who led to the capture of the rapist getting the same sentence length.

[Greed and Death]

Federal crimes also have a mandatory minimum sentence.

Let's make rape a federal offense!

Can't not in federal jurisdiction, unless it happens on federal territory or a train.

[Greed and Death]

There is no sentence for the hacker he ha not been convicted yet.

As for the rape I am not surprised several factors seemed to mitigate the punishment.

I heard the minimum is a year in prison for hacking of this nature. Which still makes a double standard of the rapist and the hacker who led to the capture of the rapist getting the same sentence length.

What double standard ? these are two different jurisdictions.

[Ifreann]

Why doesn't it? It's a guy using his wits and technical expertise to solve traumatic crimes. That's pretty close to the goddamn Batman in a way.

Keep in mind that Batman also was wanted by the police/feds/etc.

And yet, the Justice League never bring him in. Probably because they couldn't.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Protip - don't call it that.
You won't get far with an opinion like that, even on here.

Two - arguably, rape culture is indeed implied by the poor preliminary sentence estimates on the alleged rapists and the frankly bizarre preliminary sentence on the 'hacker' who uncovered their supposed crime and their involvement in it.

There is no sentence for the hacker he ha not been convicted yet.

As for the rape I am not surprised several factors seemed to mitigate the punishment.

Hence why I repeatedly used the word "preliminary", since it's already been pointed out that these are not sentences as handed down and there must be a reason the numbers are bandied about.

[The Serbian Empire]

I heard the minimum is a year in prison for hacking of this nature. Which still makes a double standard of the rapist and the hacker who led to the capture of the rapist getting the same sentence length.

What double standard ? these are two different jurisdictions.

Isn't Ohio in the US which is under federal control. Why not make Ohio and each state it's own country?

[The Steel Magnolia]

If convicted of hacking-related charges, Deric Lostutter could get more jail time than the rapists he went after.

In April, the FBI quietly raided the home of the hacker known as KYAnonymous in connection with his role in the Steubenville rape case. Today he spoke out for the first time about the raid, his true identity, and his motivations for pursuing the Steubenville rapists, in an extensive interview with Mother Jones.

"The goal of the media interviews is to get the entire nation to say 'fuck you' to these guys," said KYAnonymous, whose real name is Deric Lostutter. He was referring to the federal agents who raided his home in Winchester, Kentucky, and carted off his computers and XBox.

Lostutter may deserve more credit than anyone for turning Steubenville into a national outrage. After a 16-year-old girl was raped by two members of the Steubenville High football team last year, he obtained and published tweets and Instagram photos in which other team members had joked about the incident and belittled the victim. He now admits to being the man behind the mask in a video posted by another hacker on the team's fan page, RollRedRoll.com, where he threatened action against the players unless they apologized to the girl. (The rapists were convicted in March.)

A 26-year-old corporate cybersecurity consultant, Lostutter lives on a farm with his pit bull, Thor, and hunts turkeys, goes fishing, and rides motorcycles in his free time. He considers himself to be a patriotic American; he flies an American flag and enjoys Bud Light. He's also a rapper with the stage name Shadow, and recently released a solo album under the aegis of his own label, Nightshade Records. The name dovetails with that of his Anonymous faction, KnightSec.

Lostutter first got involved in Anonymous about a year ago, after watching the documentary We Are Legion. "This is me," he thought as he learned about the group's commitment to government accountability and transparency. "It was everything that I'd ever preached, and now there's this group of people getting off the couch and doing something about it. I wanted to be part of the movement."

He'd read about the Steubenville rape in the New York Times, but didn't get involved until receiving a message on Twitter from Michelle McKee, a friend of an Ohio blogger who'd written about the case. (You can read about her story here.) McKee gave Lostutter the players' tweets and Instagram photos, which he then decided to publicize because, as he put it, "I was always raised to stick up for people who are getting bullied."

The ensuing tornado of media coverage took him by surprise. He mostly avoided the spotlight, except for a brief interview that he gave to CNN while wearing his Guy Fawkes mask. "I was real scared," but also inspired, he told me. "There were so many people standing behind the cause that it felt like you had an army at your disposal and you could just stick up for what's right."

Yet sometimes the Steubenville army seemed to lack discipline, ignoring the letter of the law as it pursued its own brand of justice. Lostutter says he played no role in the hacking the team's fan page; he points out that another hacker, Batcat, has publicly taken the credit. Still, Lostutter knew from a tipster that the FBI was watching him, he says, and stopped tweeting a few months ago. The FBI knocked on his door just two days after he finally went back online.

At first, he thought the FBI agent at the door was with FedEx. "As I open the door to greet the driver, approximately 12 FBI SWAT team agents jumped out of the truck, screaming for me to 'Get the fuck down!' with M-16 assault rifles and full riot gear, armed, safety off, pointed directly at my head," Lostutter wrote today on his blog. "I was handcuffed and detained outside while they cleared my house."

According to the FBI's search warrant, agents were seeking evidence related to the hacking of RollRedRoll.com.

"I'd do it again," Lostutter says.
Lostutter believes that the FBI investigation was motivated by local officials in Steubenville. "They want to make an example of me, saying, 'You don't fucking come after us. Don't question us."

If convicted of hacking-related crimes, Lostutter could face up to 10 years behind bars—far more than the one- and two-year sentences doled out to the Steubenville rapists. Defending himself could end up costing a fortune—he's soliciting donations here. Still, he thinks getting involved was worth it. "I'd do it again," he says.

The byline of the article says it all really. Without even going into the whole 'motivated by local rape apologists and cover up officials', the fact that he could face 10 years in prison for helping bring rapists to justice is outrageous. I really do hope someone along the way actually thinks for a moment and realises that Lostutter is one of the fucking good guys.

I doubt it'll happen though. Your thoughts, nsg?

Perhaps a Rapist, should experience 10 years of rape. Just sayin'

fuck no.

[Des-Bal]

Until he actually gets ten years I really don't see what's to complain about.

I also don't get why going mad hacker was necessary. None of the identity theft or hacking actually had anything to do with bringing them to justice, it looks like he just used it to threaten the team into apologizing. The stuff that may have actually brought national attention down on them like the photographs and videos and messages seem to have been collected from social media in a completely legitimate fashion.

[Ifreann]

What double standard ? these are two different jurisdictions.

Isn't Ohio in the US which is under federal control. Why not make Ohio and each state it's own country?

...holy shit that's off topic.

[Gravlen]

I heard the minimum is a year in prison for hacking of this nature. Which still makes a double standard of the rapist and the hacker who led to the capture of the rapist getting the same sentence length.

What double standard ? these are two different jurisdictions.

Also two completely different crimes, different situations, and different classes of criminals (children vs. adult).

[Greed and Death]

What double standard ? these are two different jurisdictions.

Isn't Ohio in the US which is under federal control. Why not make Ohio and each state it's own country?

States have general jurisdiction.
The federal government has limited jurisdiction generally with taxing and spending, or interstate commerce.

The violence against women act was in part struck down in United States v. Morrison, 529 U.S. 598 (2000) affirming that rape is not within the federal jurisdiction unless there is an interstate commerce element to the act.

[Ifreann]

What double standard ? these are two different jurisdictions.

Also two completely different crimes, different situations, and different classes of criminals (children vs. adult).

Different victims, different points in the whole criminal justice process. Very different stuff indeed.

[The Serbian Empire]

Isn't Ohio in the US which is under federal control. Why not make Ohio and each state it's own country?

States have general jurisdiction.
The federal government has limited jurisdiction generally with taxing and spending, or interstate commerce.

The violence against women act was in part struck down in United States v. Morrison, 529 U.S. 598 (2000) affirming that rape is not within the federal jurisdiction unless there is an interstate commerce element to the act.

Now I see why we have to live with this oddity. Still makes me rage to see rapists get such short sentences when the hacker who led to their arrest gets a sentence that could be five times as long as the longest sentence.

[Des-Bal]

Now I see why we have to live with this oddity. Still makes me rage to see rapists get such short sentences when the hacker who led to their arrest gets a sentence that could be five times as long as the longest sentence.

Again, his contributions seem to be very minor. While the pictures and stuff may have been helpful it really looks like he just took some public information and put it together. The actual hacking was completely unrelated to bringing anybody down.

[Frisivisia]

Breaking laws to enforce laws does not make breaking those laws right.

[The Romulan Republic]

First of all, I don't think the hacker has been convicted yet, never mind sentenced to ten years in prison.

Secondly, contrary to what a lot of people believe, the law matters even if the targets are bad people.

Thirdly, just because the rapists got light sentences does not mean this guy should get treated leniently. If justice was not done in one case it does not mean justice should not be done in another case.

[Des-Bal]

Breaking laws to enforce laws does not make breaking those laws right.

I'm still curious as to how stealing personal information and demanding an apology constitutes enforcing laws.

[Ifreann]

Breaking laws to enforce laws does not make breaking those laws right.

I'm still curious as to how stealing personal information and demanding an apology constitutes enforcing laws.

I've yet to hear of the court that has handed down a sentence anything like that.

[Frisivisia]

Breaking laws to enforce laws does not make breaking those laws right.

I'm still curious as to how stealing personal information and demanding an apology constitutes enforcing laws.

That was more of a general "vigilanteism is bad, kids" sort of thing.

[Des-Bal]

That was more of a general "vigilanteism is bad, kids" sort of thing.

I can appreciate that but it clouds the issue that his vigilanteism was sort of benign, hell the way it's described I don't even think it was illegal. It's like batman stopped a mugging and then proceeded to steal the muggers car.

[Quintium]

It bothers me that Anonymous is now known primarily as an 'activist group'. I'm not usually one for nostalgia, but back in the day people like him would have been laughed at and ostracized rather than praised in those circles. He sounds like a classic white knight, involving himself in stuff he has nothing to do with just for the sake of looking heroic and getting the - apparently much-needed for him - praise of young women on the internet.

But that's Anonymous now - and it has been like that for a few years now. It's been hijacked by the young progressive left - bleeding heart script kiddies with an overdeveloped sense of 'justice' and an underdeveloped sense of humour. Instead of closing pools due to AIDS, today's young whippersnappers are attacking Israel's websites to defend the rights of 'the poor Palestinians'. Instead of being the Internet Hate Machine, they're a bunch of misguided and disorganized socialist knights in shining armour.

They should ditch the partisan crap and get back to being an instrument of chaos.