Should men have a choice in abortion?

[Ovisterra]

How many times will you change your definition of human in the course of this conversation?

Once, I changed 46 chromosomes to 46 human chromosomes after I realised my mistake. That good enough for you?

Great.

Now source that being the definition of a full human being.

Also, all of the people who quoted me, quoted me saying that a foetus has 46 human chromosomes so I changed it quite a while ago.

Every time you lie, god kills a kitten.

[Zweite Alaje]

The space I left between "after" and "birth" was intentional.

As was the space I didn't. For the purposes of humour.

I rarely lie, to do so unnecessarily is dishonorable.

So when you said that Planned Parenthood advocated killing newborns, you were just wrong?

I posted a link, read it.

[Shallowell]

You never answered my question. Are you getting around to that, or are you ignoring it because you don't have an answer?

I answered it twice.

viewtopic.php?p=14880686#p14880686

For a start, I'm about 60% sure you just made it up.



Your statement didn't mention abortion. It said nothing about medical procedures. It's not proof.

Very well.

A news article, about an abortion. The child is killed.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/16/fl ... tion-drug/

[Divair]

I answered it twice.

Very well.

A news article, about an abortion. The child is killed.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/16/fl ... tion-drug/

Sourcing Faux News. That's a good one.

[Partially Blind People]

Once, I changed 46 chromosomes to 46 human chromosomes after I realised my mistake. That good enough for you?

Great.

Now source that being the definition of a full human being.

Also, all of the people who quoted me, quoted me saying that a foetus has 46 human chromosomes so I changed it quite a while ago.

Every time you lie, god kills a kitten.

Read my edited post, you posted when I was typing. What type of definition do you want anyway? A dictionary one or something else?

[The Rich Port]

I would rather think it would very much depend on the nature of the relationship that produced the pregnancy.

Or has NSG completely abandoned nuance in favour of unwavering moral absolutes again?

The person NOT carrying the foetus does have a say... Inasmuch as the person who is carrying the foetus allows them to have a say.

At the end of the day, the final decision lies with the person who has the foetus. There's no way over that.

[Ovisterra]

I answered it twice.

Very well.

A news article, about an abortion. The child is killed.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/16/fl ... tion-drug/

A. That's biased as fuck. Fox news does not a source make.
B. No babies or children were involved there, so no, you're wrong.

[Frisivisia]

I answered it twice.

Very well.

A news article, about an abortion. The child is killed.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/16/fl ... tion-drug/

Douchey motherfucker tricks his girlfriend into having an abortion, is a douchey motherfucker who should go to jail for doing so. No children killed.

Either way, it's Fox News, who are douchey motherfuckers too.

[Conscentia]

Or should it stay as it currently is and be solely the woman's choice whether to keep the baby or not? I know many people think it should be her to choice to carry to terminate because the baby develops inside of her. But personally I find this unfair, because my or whoever the man may be contributed just as much to creating the child as she did. How do you feel?

A woman doesn't have to make a child for a guy just because that guy wants a child.

[Shallowell]

You responded with falsehoods that clearly went against the definition. I read all of your responses, and they all claimed that something that was not true was.

So, again, I say, read the definition, learn what a baby is, and then you will understand my argument.

So, again, stop being an asshole.

Good to know that you really have no argument, then

[Nationalist State of Knox]

I would rather think it would very much depend on the nature of the relationship that produced the pregnancy.

Or has NSG completely abandoned nuance in favour of unwavering moral absolutes again?

NSG debates are very much like films from the 30s.

Black and white, poor quality, and become incredibly tedious in a short space of time.

[Ovisterra]

Great.

Now source that being the definition of a full human being.



Every time you lie, god kills a kitten.

Read my edited post, you posted when I was typing. What type of definition do you want anyway? A dictionary one or something else?

Where did you hear that the 46 chromosome thing was the definition of a human? You must have learned it from somewhere.

[Partially Blind People]

Very well.

A news article, about an abortion. The child is killed.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/16/fl ... tion-drug/

A. That's biased as fuck. Fox news does not a source make.
B. No babies or children were involved there, so no, you're wrong.

You asked him for a source, he gave you one. What is the problem here?

[The Saturnian Republic]

Well, despite the fact that I'm opposed to abortion except in certain cases, in the case of abortion as birth control, yes, the man should have a choice. It's his kid. The mother doesn't own the baby by herself. That's ridiculous. That's like a guy in half ownership of a house with his wife, then the wife burning it down. Sure, the wife owned half, but so did the husband. He has a say.

[Shallowell]

Very well.

A news article, about an abortion. The child is killed.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/16/fl ... tion-drug/

Douchey motherfucker tricks his girlfriend into having an abortion, is a douchey motherfucker who should go to jail for doing so. No children killed.

Either way, it's Fox News, who are douchey motherfuckers too.

It says a child died. Not even my words

[Frisivisia]

So, again, stop being an asshole.

Good to know that you really have no argument, then

I have one, you're ignoring it, and I'm telling you to stop being an asshole.

Stop being an asshole, please.

[Divair]

A. That's biased as fuck. Fox news does not a source make.
B. No babies or children were involved there, so no, you're wrong.

You asked him for a source, he gave you one. What is the problem here?

It's a shit source.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

I would rather think it would very much depend on the nature of the relationship that produced the pregnancy.

Or has NSG completely abandoned nuance in favour of unwavering moral absolutes again?

My very first response was "If the woman opts to give him a say".

[Ovisterra]

Douchey motherfucker tricks his girlfriend into having an abortion, is a douchey motherfucker who should go to jail for doing so. No children killed.

Either way, it's Fox News, who are douchey motherfuckers too.

It says a child died. Not even my words

Yes. Fox News' words. Fox News is biased. Fox News is not trustworthy.

[Partially Blind People]

You asked him for a source, he gave you one. What is the problem here?

It's a shit source.

It is still a source is it not? You did not specify that you wanted a good one.

[Ovisterra]

A. That's biased as fuck. Fox news does not a source make.
B. No babies or children were involved there, so no, you're wrong.

You asked him for a source, he gave you one. What is the problem here?

It was a clearly biased source, and it didn't even back up what he said.

[Unicario]

As a female, I'd have to say it depends on the situation. In the case of sexual abuse or incest? Oh god no, that motherfucker gets NOTHING.

In cases of health issues? I'd say no, because the woman's health is at risk

However, if this is a matter of just a regular pregnancy that isn't what they wanted, then... yeah. He should get a say, because he hasn't been abusive, and this child is just as much his as hers.

[Mavorpen]

Douchey motherfucker tricks his girlfriend into having an abortion, is a douchey motherfucker who should go to jail for doing so. No children killed.

Either way, it's Fox News, who are douchey motherfuckers too.

It says a child died. Not even my words

Fox doesn't know what a child is.

[Frisivisia]

Douchey motherfucker tricks his girlfriend into having an abortion, is a douchey motherfucker who should go to jail for doing so. No children killed.

Either way, it's Fox News, who are douchey motherfuckers too.

It says a child died. Not even my words

It's Fox News, it's going to play on the fears and sorrows of its poly-genarian, bigoted readers.

[Choronzon]

How is it not, they actually celebrated a record number of abortions this year.

http://www.bradenton.com/2013/02/07/4382735/planned-parenthood-celebrates.html

Celebrating a record number of abortions means celebrating a record number of people making smart family planning decisions- a record number of people who could not raise a child did not have one.

That is cause for celebration.