Should men have a choice in abortion?

[Frisivisia]

The man has the opportunity to use a condom and prevent the birth for the time he's involved in making the pregnancy. The woman's window is just longer.

So, you mean to tell me that women are not allowed to use female condoms or other forms of contraceptives?

Can you show me exactly where I said that? Can you point to it on the screen?

[The Godly Nations]

The process, indeed, does kill many potential babies- one with more potential to become a baby, at least, than a spermatazoa or a ova by itself.

But it does not kill babies, because what's being killed is not a baby.

It does kill, then, and it kills something that is potentially a child.

[Shallowell]

This is wrong

Source on abortion killing babies, then?

child
/CHīld/
Noun
A young human being below the age of full physical development or below the legal age of majority.
A son or daughter of any age.
Synonyms
kid - baby - infant - bairn - offspring - babe - son

This is the fetus. It is below the age of full physical development, hence, child. Baby is a synonym.

Abortion kills babies.

[Ovisterra]

Source on abortion killing babies, then?

child
/CHīld/
Noun
A young human being below the age of full physical development or below the legal age of majority.
A son or daughter of any age.
Synonyms
kid - baby - infant - bairn - offspring - babe - son

This is the fetus. It is below the age of full physical development, hence, child. Baby is a synonym.

Abortion kills babies.

A dictionary definition of children (applied appallingly incorrectly) is not a source on abortion killing babies. I want you to prove that abortion kills babies. A news article, a medical journal, something like that.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

Source on abortion killing babies, then?

child
/CHīld/
Noun
A young human being below the age of full physical development or below the legal age of majority.
A son or daughter of any age.
Synonyms
kid - baby - infant - bairn - offspring - babe - son

This is the fetus. It is below the age of full physical development, hence, child. Baby is a synonym.

Abortion kills babies.

With your lack of understanding in how the language works, please tell me that English isn't your first language.

[Frisivisia]

WAI R THA DUHJENUHRITS STEALIN MAH FMLI VLUE?

Really Fris?

From a medical dictionary:


After birth abortions.
A foetus/embryo is unborn.

I see that you deliberately modified another person's post, not much else though.

Source on abortion killing babies, then?

child
/CHīld/
Noun
A young human being below the age of full physical development or below the legal age of majority.
A son or daughter of any age.
Synonyms
kid - baby - infant - bairn - offspring - babe - son

This is the fetus. It is below the age of full physical development, hence, child. Baby is a synonym.

Abortion kills babies.

That's a definition specifically engineered to include fetuses, you see it cited real fucking often by people who want to control women's bodies in the name of "babbys".

Here's a better definition.

This is wrong

From a medical dictionary:

baby

Type: Term

Pronunciation: bā′bē
Definitions:
1. An infant; a newborn child.

A foetus/embryo is unborn.

[Frisivisia]

But it does not kill babies, because what's being killed is not a baby.

It does kill, then, and it kills something that is potentially a child.

Masturbation is genocide! Ovulation is manslaughter!

[Ashmoria]

Oh dear, this thorny question again! This argument is never going to be settled by partisan discussion in a forum such as this - it is too important an issue. Proabaly 99% of people have already entrenched themselves into one camp or the other and, in any event, the issue is intimately tied up with other issues such as abortion in the wider context. For myself, as a male, I would probably be comfortable with the woman's own decision but much would depend on my current feelings towards her. Do I still harbour feeling of love/adoration/hate/ambivalence etc, towards her? Do I want to punish her by making her carry the baby full-term and then abandon mother and child? Does the woman want to punish me/her parents/my friends etc? The whole gamut of human emotions are all bundled up in this issue but, in the end, I believe that the woman MUST have the final say and preferably without the 'encouragement' of others in the form of friends/family/other significant half, to persuade her one way or the other. A court decision either way is in mho a travesty of 'justice' as, by and large, this is a male-dominated sphere of our society.

I think the important thing to keep in mind is that while it is her decision that doesn't mean that YOU have to support it. you can be utterly and completely against her having an abortion but still know that it is up to her.

there may be many situations in which I think it is a big fat mistake for a woman to have an abortion but in the end its none of my business. she needs to be able to make the decision that she thinks is best.

[Ifreann]

Why?

Because it is bad

Nonsense. Abortion is awesome.

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Legally, after viability, I would say yes (should the hypothetical abortion somehow be a non-essential choice).

Why should that be so?

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Yes they are equal in the creation of that child.

Who created the child is not a relevant concern. Though you're wrong.

[Shallowell]

child
/CHīld/
Noun
A young human being below the age of full physical development or below the legal age of majority.
A son or daughter of any age.
Synonyms
kid - baby - infant - bairn - offspring - babe - son

This is the fetus. It is below the age of full physical development, hence, child. Baby is a synonym.

Abortion kills babies.

A dictionary definition of children (applied appallingly incorrectly) is not a source on abortion killing babies. I want you to prove that abortion kills babies. A news article, a medical journal, something like that.

Explain how this is applied incorrectly.

Also, my above statement of fact proves that all abortions kill babies.
Therefore, any medical journal or anything I find pertaining to abortion will tell us that abortion kills babies.

[Akirii]

Yes.
After all, the fetuses did COME from us men.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

From a medical dictionary:


A foetus/embryo is unborn.

After birth abortions.

Do they even exist?

[Frisivisia]

A dictionary definition of children (applied appallingly incorrectly) is not a source on abortion killing babies. I want you to prove that abortion kills babies. A news article, a medical journal, something like that.

Explain how this is applied incorrectly.

Also, my above statement of fact proves that all abortions kill babies.
Therefore, any medical journal or anything I find pertaining to abortion will tell us that abortion kills babies.

That's a rigged definition.

[Frisivisia]

After birth abortions.

Do they even exist?

No. They don't.

[Ovisterra]

A dictionary definition of children (applied appallingly incorrectly) is not a source on abortion killing babies. I want you to prove that abortion kills babies. A news article, a medical journal, something like that.

Explain how this is applied incorrectly.

For a start, I'm about 60% sure you just made it up.

Also, my above statement of fact proves that all abortions kill babies.
Therefore, any medical journal or anything I find pertaining to abortion will tell us that abortion kills babies.

Your statement didn't mention abortion. It said nothing about medical procedures. It's not proof.

[Ifreann]

On the front of abortion killing babies, I'd like to state for the record that I couldn't care less. If a woman does not want to be pregnant, and the only way to terminate her pregnancy involves killing a baby, then we will be having baby for dinner tonight.

[Ashmoria]

I'd love to hear what your opinion of an actual man is, tell me, what is this standard we must meet?

I assume that the standard is "the man whose sperm fertilized the egg". what other standard could there be?

[Ifreann]

After birth abortions.

Do they even exist?

What would aborting afterbirth even involve?

[Zweite Alaje]

Really Fris?

I see that you deliberately modified another person's post, not much else though.

child
/CHīld/
Noun
A young human being below the age of full physical development or below the legal age of majority.
A son or daughter of any age.
Synonyms
kid - baby - infant - bairn - offspring - babe - son

This is the fetus. It is below the age of full physical development, hence, child. Baby is a synonym.

Abortion kills babies.

That's a definition specifically engineered to include fetuses, you see it cited real fucking often by people who want to control women's bodies in the name of "babbys".

Here's a better definition.

From a medical dictionary:



A foetus/embryo is unborn.

I wasn't trying to alter Knox's post actually, I'm on my phone, mistakes happen.

It does kill, then, and it kills something that is potentially a child.

Masturbation is genocide! Ovulation is manslaughter!

Sperm cells and eggs don't develop into fetus by themselves, so no, anti-abortionists don't think like that.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

A dictionary definition of children (applied appallingly incorrectly) is not a source on abortion killing babies. I want you to prove that abortion kills babies. A news article, a medical journal, something like that.

Explain how this is applied incorrectly.

Also, my above statement of fact proves that all abortions kill babies.
Therefore, any medical journal or anything I find pertaining to abortion will tell us that abortion kills babies.

Dishonesty doesn't get you anywhere in debates. Unless it's the Daily Mail website, in which case I'm sure you'll go far.

Here's an actual definition of a baby:

baby

Type: Term

Pronunciation: bā′bē
Definitions:
1. An infant; a newborn child.

[Aurora Novus]

Are we talking about payment, or whether or not he should have to also give consent for the abortion to go through? If it's the latter, of course not. It's the woman's body, and her right to bodily sovereignty supersedes his desires. Of course, good couples will likely discuss the situation and come to some form of consensus, but ultimately, it's the woman's choice, and no one else.

If we're talking about payment, that's another issue entirely, and I would say they should have some ability to abdicate all rights and financial obligations to a child.

[Partially Blind People]

It does kill, then, and it kills something that is potentially a child.

Masturbation is genocide! Ovulation is manslaughter!

Neither is a full human being. A foetus contains the full 46 chromosomes and therefore is a full human being. I agree with abortion but only up 24 weeks when the baby has a 50% chance of survival outside of the womb.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

Yes.
After all, the fetuses did COME from us men.

Take a biology class.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Do they even exist?

What would aborting afterbirth even involve?

A .45.

[Shallowell]

Really Fris?

I see that you deliberately modified another person's post, not much else though.

child
/CHīld/
Noun
A young human being below the age of full physical development or below the legal age of majority.
A son or daughter of any age.
Synonyms
kid - baby - infant - bairn - offspring - babe - son

This is the fetus. It is below the age of full physical development, hence, child. Baby is a synonym.

Abortion kills babies.

That's a definition specifically engineered to include fetuses, you see it cited real fucking often by people who want to control women's bodies in the name of "babbys".

Here's a better definition.

From a medical dictionary:



A foetus/embryo is unborn.

You can't ignore the truth just because it doesn't fit your beliefs.

Also, there is no reason a foetus/ embryo cannot also be a baby.

Furthermore, I have no interest in controlling women's bodies. The child, while reliant on their mother while in the womb, is not part of their body, nor is it theirs to kill.