Should men have a choice in abortion?

[Mavorpen]

Why?

It is anti-human and anti-family. The next step is outright antinatalism, it's already manifesting.

One would expect an agent for reducing population and therefore assisting in developing nations to be pro human.

[Ovisterra]

Save it for marriage and be pro-life.

I'm not being snide, thats more or less his definition.

A very simplified example, but yes. Men are also responsible, community minded, and aren't afraid of work like "men" are these days.

It's like the world's biggest No True Scotsman.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Why?

It is anti-human

How?

and anti-family.

Considering that an unwanted foetus isn't a family member, no it isn't.

The next step is outright antinatalism,

Nice slippery slope.

it's already manifesting.

Source?

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

Everyone that was once a fetus has a say in abortion.

Sure. Assuming they're the one who is pregnant.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

A very simplified example, but yes. Men are also responsible, community minded, and aren't afraid of work like "men" are these days.

It's like the world's biggest No True Scotsman.

Without the "Scots" part.

[Ifreann]

Of course a man should have a choice.

That kid is his too.


This crap about "it's my body" is nonsense.


It isn't, you share that body with your child for that 9 months or so.


I have no respect for women that get abortions out of selfishness.

And I have no respect for people who want women enslaved to any man who knocks her up. Seems we've reached an impasse.

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You say this as though a higher quality of male, whatever that might mean, would be allowed to force women to get an abortion or not.

It shouldn't be up to the parents to start with.

Doesn't really contradict me.

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Oh dear, this thorny question again! This argument is never going to be settled by partisan discussion in a forum such as this - it is too important an issue...

Whoever told you that we settle things here mislead you. We just debate and discuss.

[Zweite Alaje]

It is anti-human

Not really, no.

and anti-family.

Family planning is not anti-family.

The next step is outright antinatalism, it's already manifesting.

If it's "already manifesting" you'll have evidence of it, then. Let's see it.

http://www.hli.org/condoms/534?task=view
http://m.pop.org/content/coercive-population-control-103#endnote_anchor-1

Also the organization known as "Planned Parenthood" is obviously an evil antinatalist force.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

Also the organization known as "Planned Parenthood" is obviously an evil antinatalist force.

[Caecuser]

Still not seeing what makes abortion a bad thing here.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Not really, no.



Family planning is not anti-family.



If it's "already manifesting" you'll have evidence of it, then. Let's see it.

http://www.hli.org/condoms/534?task=view
http://m.pop.org/content/coercive-population-control-103#endnote_anchor-1

"Hey guys, let's consider, you know, keeping the human population within sustainable limits by birth control" is not the same as "OMG BIRTH BAD NO BIRTH EVER!111!".

Also the organization known as "Planned Parenthood" is obviously an evil antinatalist force.

It saddens me that someone wrote this sentence.

[Zweite Alaje]

Also the organization known as "Planned Parenthood" is obviously an evil antinatalist force.

How is it not, they actually celebrated a record number of abortions this year.

http://www.bradenton.com/2013/02/07/4382735/planned-parenthood-celebrates.html

[Shallowell]

Nobody should have a choice in abortion, because there should be no abortion.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

How is it not, they actually celebrated a record number of abortions this year.

http://www.bradenton.com/2013/02/07/4382735/planned-parenthood-celebrates.html

Your article doesn't say that.

[Arcadonisia]

I firmly believe that Men should have no say in abortion. The choice to have an abortion should remain with the Woman. It's her body, and it is her choice on what she wants to do with the fetus. No one else should try to force her to change her decision.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Nobody should have a choice in abortion, because there should be no abortion.

Why?

[Communist republic of altorus]

Nobody should have a choice in abortion, because there should be no abortion.

I imagine a man wrote this?

[Ifreann]

Nobody should have a choice in abortion, because there should be no abortion.

For every baby you don't abort, I will abort five.

[Shallowell]

Nobody should have a choice in abortion, because there should be no abortion.

Why?

Because it is bad

[Zweite Alaje]

http://www.hli.org/condoms/534?task=view
http://m.pop.org/content/coercive-population-control-103#endnote_anchor-1

"Hey guys, let's consider, you know, keeping the human population within sustainable limits by birth control" is not the same as "OMG BIRTH BAD NO BIRTH EVER!111!".

Also the organization known as "Planned Parenthood" is obviously an evil antinatalist force.

It saddens me that someone wrote this sentence.

BS, what is a "sustainable population"? That isn't what abortion is about, it's about "choice" of which their isn't much, you know with people like "Planned Parenthood" advertising the supposed inherent good of abortion, and people like Loretta Ross encouraging anti-family hedonist lifestyles.

Planned Parenthood was founded by an evil woman as remains an evil organization to this day.

[Ovisterra]

Why?

Because it is bad

*sigh*

What about it is bad? What makes it bad?

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Why?

Because it is bad

Explain why.

[Phocidaea]

No.

They shouldn't be expected, either legally or culturally, to support the woman if they object to her decision, though.

Oh God I am going to get so much angry crap for this.

[Baiynistan]

Legally, after viability, I would say yes (should the hypothetical abortion somehow be a non-essential choice).

Socially, if the pregnancy was the result of consensual intercourse between two loving partners, I would also say yes. I'd be hurt if my significant other did not involve me or ask for my opinion on such a difficult choice. But, I wouldn't want to press charges against her for keeping me out of the loop. If I wanted kids and felt ready to support them, I might leave her, but I wouldn't want a third party getting involved in my relationships.

Beyond that, men shouldn't be involved unless they're performing the procedure.

[Shallowell]

"Hey guys, let's consider, you know, keeping the human population within sustainable limits by birth control" is not the same as "OMG BIRTH BAD NO BIRTH EVER!111!".



It saddens me that someone wrote this sentence.

BS, what is a "sustainable population"? That isn't what abortion is about, it's about "choice" of which their isn't much, you know with people like "Planned Parenthood" advertising the supposed inherent good of abortion, and people like Loretta Ross encouraging anti-family hedonist lifestyles.

Planned Parenthood was founded by an evil woman as remains an evil organization to this day.

I think I love you.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

No.

They shouldn't be expected, either legally or culturally, to support the woman if they object to her decision, though.

Oh God I am going to get so much angry crap for this.

I have no intention of posting anything even vaguely resembling infuriated faeces, fear thee not.