Should men have a choice in abortion?

[Condunum]

What? Which "men" are you referring to?

I'm pointing out the lack of adult males that could honestly be considered men in the modern age. Most adult males are little more then oversized boys.

Misanthropy, in all of it's forms, is stupid. When you mature and realize you're still looking at a minority, come see me. I'll give you a cute little ribbon.

[Union of Soviet Sovereign Republics]

Of course a man should have a choice.

That kid is his too.


This crap about "it's my body" is nonsense.


It isn't, you share that body with your child for that 9 months or so.


I have no respect for women that get abortions out of selfishness.

[Zweite Alaje]

I'd say no, knowing the sorry males referred to as "men" these days, they'd probably try to force the women to get abortions to cop out of their fatherly duties.

You say this as though a higher quality of male, whatever that might mean, would be allowed to force women to get an abortion or not.

It shouldn't be up to the parents to start with.

[Caecuser]

What? Which "men" are you referring to?

I'm pointing out the lack of adult males that could honestly be considered men in the modern age. Most adult males are little more then oversized boys.

Have you met most adult males of the world? If not, then that's just your opinion. You can't judge others that way.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Of course a man should have a choice.

That kid is his too.


This crap about "it's my body" is nonsense.


It isn't, you share that body with your child for that 9 months or so.


I have no respect for women that get abortions out of selfishness.

Most obvious internet poster to not be a woman award 2013 goes to...

[Jehuddah]

There should be no abortion....
so no.

[Caecuser]

There should be no abortion....
so no.

Why not?

[Kromar]

Men should not have the right to force a woman to keep or abort her child, BUT, if he accidentally impregnates someone, he should have to option to declare legally that he disowns the child before its birth, and in doing so not be obligated to pay any child support whatsoever. If the woman still wants to keep the baby and raise it herself, that is her choice. It is not fair that a man can make a mistake once and never be able to fix it, while the woman has months to fix her mistake if necessary.

[Caecuser]

Men should not have the right to force a woman to keep or abort her child, BUT, if he accidentally impregnates someone, he should have to option to declare legally that he disowns the child before its birth, and in doing so not be obligated to pay any child support whatsoever. If the woman still wants to keep the baby and raise it herself, that is her choice. It is not fair that a man can make a mistake once and never be able to fix it, while the woman has months to fix her mistake if necessary.

I agree with that - there are no "fatherly duties" someone must perform if they never wanted a child.

[Tribes Republic]

There should be no abortion....
so no.

abortion should only be allow in cases of rape and/or if the woman's life is in danger

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Men should not have the right to force a woman to keep or abort her child, BUT, if he accidentally impregnates someone, he should have to option to declare legally that he disowns the child before its birth, and in doing so not be obligated to pay any child support whatsoever. If the woman still wants to keep the baby and raise it herself, that is her choice. It is not fair that a man can make a mistake once and never be able to fix it, while the woman has months to fix her mistake if necessary.

I agree with that - there are no "fatherly duties" someone must perform if they never wanted a child.

There should still be some kind of affirmation of the fact that you were either thick enough to not take proper precaution in having sex, or were unlucky enough for such precautions to not have been suitably effective.

[Jehuddah]

There should be no abortion....
so no.

abortion should only be allow in cases of rape and/or if the woman's life is in danger

Yes, but only in those cases.

[Mediobogdum]

Oh dear, this thorny question again! This argument is never going to be settled by partisan discussion in a forum such as this - it is too important an issue. Proabaly 99% of people have already entrenched themselves into one camp or the other and, in any event, the issue is intimately tied up with other issues such as abortion in the wider context. For myself, as a male, I would probably be comfortable with the woman's own decision but much would depend on my current feelings towards her. Do I still harbour feeling of love/adoration/hate/ambivalence etc, towards her? Do I want to punish her by making her carry the baby full-term and then abandon mother and child? Does the woman want to punish me/her parents/my friends etc? The whole gamut of human emotions are all bundled up in this issue but, in the end, I believe that the woman MUST have the final say and preferably without the 'encouragement' of others in the form of friends/family/other significant half, to persuade her one way or the other. A court decision either way is in mho a travesty of 'justice' as, by and large, this is a male-dominated sphere of our society.

[Caecuser]

abortion should only be allow in cases of rape and/or if the woman's life is in danger

Yes, but only in those cases.

So, you're going to force an unwilling woman to be be pregnant and then give birth?

[Zweite Alaje]

There should be no abortion....
so no.

Agreed, abortion is an abomination.

I'm pointing out the lack of adult males that could honestly be considered men in the modern age. Most adult males are little more then oversized boys.

Misanthropy, in all of it's forms, is stupid. When you mature and realize you're still looking at a minority, come see me. I'll give you a cute little ribbon.

I don't think people know what they are talking about when they call someone a misanthrope. If I were really a misanthrope, I wouldn't care if people got abortions...hell that's one less little cretin in the world, right? If I'd actual held malevolent intentions, I'd want everyone to just drop dead so I wouldn't have to deal with them anymore, don't you think?

Have I even once stated that I want to destroy humanity?

I'm pointing out the lack of adult males that could honestly be considered men in the modern age. Most adult males are little more then oversized boys.

Have you met most adult males of the world? If not, then that's just your opinion. You can't judge others that way.

I call it how it see it, and actual men are in short supply.

[Caecuser]

I'd love to hear what your opinion of an actual man is, tell me, what is this standard we must meet?

[Choronzon]

I'd love to hear what your opinion of an actual man is, tell me, what is this standard we must meet?

Save it for marriage and be pro-life.

I'm not being snide, thats more or less his definition.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I'd love to hear what your opinion of an actual man is, tell me, what is this standard we must meet?

My immediate guess? Anyone who does not fit the archetype of the casting of these three shows.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Only_Way_Is_Essex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geordie_Shore
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Valleys_(TV_series)
Also the few men that traipse through this one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snog_Marry_Avoid%3F

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Have you met most adult males of the world? If not, then that's just your opinion. You can't judge others that way.

I call it how it see it, and actual men are in short supply.

I'm sorry I haven't shot a deer in the face and worn its skin recently. I'll try harder in future.

[Zweite Alaje]

I'd love to hear what your opinion of an actual man is, tell me, what is this standard we must meet?

Save it for marriage and be pro-life.

I'm not being snide, thats more or less his definition.

A very simplified example, but yes. Men are also responsible, community minded, and aren't afraid of work like "men" are these days.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

There should be no abortion....
so no.

Agreed, abortion is an abomination.

Why?

[Choronzon]

Save it for marriage and be pro-life.

I'm not being snide, thats more or less his definition.

A very simplified example, but yes. Men are also responsible, community minded, and aren't afraid of work like "men" are these days.

And you can only be these things by believing exactly what you believe?

[Zweite Alaje]

Agreed, abortion is an abomination.

Why?

It is anti-human and anti-family. The next step is outright antinatalism, it's already manifesting.

[Zweite Alaje]

A very simplified example, but yes. Men are also responsible, community minded, and aren't afraid of work like "men" are these days.

And you can only be these things by believing exactly what you believe?

No, I don't recall ever saying that.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Why?

It is anti-human

Not really, no.

and anti-family.

Family planning is not anti-family.

The next step is outright antinatalism, it's already manifesting.

If it's "already manifesting" you'll have evidence of it, then. Let's see it.