Should men have a choice in abortion?

[Mkuki]

Talk about a war on women...

Not women. Ducks.

Well, women ducks.

[The Grey Wolf]

Talk about a war on women...

Not women. Ducks.

Same thing.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Sorry but she doesn't even have to listen to him if nothing is going to change her mind either way.

If nothing will change her mind then it shouldn't matter if she hears his opinion. Nobody should be able to make such a life changing decision without hearing arguments for or against that decision from all directly interested parties.

Maybe she doesn't want to be hounded by someone whose opinion is entirely irrelevant in her decision.

[Ifreann]

What are you going to do, arrest her and cuff her to a chair while he makes a speech?

No way man. Saying anything to a woman other than what she wants to hear is a total waste of time dude. Just spoon feed'em what they wanna hear and get what you want out of it while you're at it. By the time she figures out that's what you're doing you can just trade her in for a newer model with less miles on her. Don't hate the Playa!! Hate the Game....

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Fucking summer.

[Mkuki]

If nothing will change her mind then it shouldn't matter if she hears his opinion. Nobody should be able to make such a life changing decision without hearing arguments for or against that decision from all directly interested parties.

Maybe she doesn't want to be hounded by someone whose opinion is entirely irrelevant in her decision.

My care stops here. I don't really care if she's annoyed at hearing her husbands arguments for or against an abortion. She should hear it anyway. If only for legal reasons.

[The Grey Wolf]

Maybe she doesn't want to be hounded by someone whose opinion is entirely irrelevant in her decision.

My care stops here. I don't really care if she's annoyed at hearing her husbands arguments for or against an abortion. She should hear it anyway. If only for legal reasons.

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[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Maybe she doesn't want to be hounded by someone whose opinion is entirely irrelevant in her decision.

My care stops here. I don't really care if she's annoyed at hearing her husbands arguments for or against an abortion. She should hear it anyway. If only for legal reasons.

So you support forcing her to listen to her husband whine about how he wants to control her body?

[AiliailiA]

Maybe she doesn't want to be hounded by someone whose opinion is entirely irrelevant in her decision.

My care stops here. I don't really care if she's annoyed at hearing her husbands arguments for or against an abortion. She should hear it anyway. If only for legal reasons.

What does "for legal reasons" mean?

EDIT: Hi there TS. That server outage was annoying.

[The Grey Wolf]

My care stops here. I don't really care if she's annoyed at hearing her husbands arguments for or against an abortion. She should hear it anyway. If only for legal reasons.

So you support forcing her to listen to her husband whine about how he wants to control her body?

Because only megalomaniacs care about their children being torn apart.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

So you support forcing her to listen to her husband whine about how he wants to control her body?

Because only megalomaniacs care about their children being torn apart.

Unless she wishes to take his opinion into account, she can refuse to listen to anything he has to say, and he has two options:
A) Accept that she is her own person and will decide what is right for her, or
B) Insinuate that she needs to listen to him because he deserves to decide what happens to her body.
She has no obligation to listen to a damn thing he says, and if he thinks otherwise he is asserting that his opinion is greater than her choice.

[The Grey Wolf]

Because only megalomaniacs care about their children being torn apart.

Unless she wishes to take his opinion into account, she can refuse to listen to anything he has to say, and he has two options:
A) Accept that she is her own person and will decide what is right for her, or
B) Insinuate that she needs to listen to him because he deserves to decide what happens to her body.
She has no obligation to listen to a damn thing he says, and if he thinks otherwise he is asserting that his opinion is greater than her choice.

I find it funny you go on and on about choice, but for some reason, tearing apart fetuses with knives doesn't disturb you in the slightest. You remind me of Ayn Rand.

[AiliailiA]

If he takes to calling her up after midnight, trying to make her stay somewhere while he talks to her, or taking a menacing tone, it's time for a restraining order.

[The Grey Wolf]

If he takes to calling her up after midnight, trying to make her stay somewhere while he talks to her, or taking a menacing tone, it's time for a restraining order.

Agreed.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Unless she wishes to take his opinion into account, she can refuse to listen to anything he has to say, and he has two options:
A) Accept that she is her own person and will decide what is right for her, or
B) Insinuate that she needs to listen to him because he deserves to decide what happens to her body.
She has no obligation to listen to a damn thing he says, and if he thinks otherwise he is asserting that his opinion is greater than her choice.

I find it funny you go on and on about choice, but for some reason, tearing apart fetuses with knives doesn't disturb you in the slightest. You remind me of Ayn Rand.

A fetus has no right to a woman's body.
And appeal to emotion, much? Almost all abortions are done before 12 weeks, when no "tearing" of the fetus is required. And most of those abortions are done by the abortion pill, which expells fetuses in the same way as an early miscarriage.

[Zweite Alaje]

My care stops here. I don't really care if she's annoyed at hearing her husbands arguments for or against an abortion. She should hear it anyway. If only for legal reasons.

So you support forcing her to listen to her husband whine about how he wants to control her body?

She should considering the fetus in her uterus isn't just hers. But of course it's "whining" when it comes to the man's side of the argument, but it isn't for the women.....typical.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

So you support forcing her to listen to her husband whine about how he wants to control her body?

She should considering the fetus in her uterus isn't just hers. But of course it's "whining" when it comes to the man's side of the argument, but it isn't for the women.....typical.

It's in her body, not his. Whenever males and females fuse together during pregnancy, then they can be forced to discuss it. But until then, her body, her choice, not his.

[Zweite Alaje]

She should considering the fetus in her uterus isn't just hers. But of course it's "whining" when it comes to the man's side of the argument, but it isn't for the women.....typical.

It's in her body, not his. Whenever males and females fuse together during pregnancy, then they can be forced to discuss it. But until then, her body, her choice, not his.

It being her body doesn't mean anything, she's carrying the fetus as a member of a couple, not herself. Not only that, but it isn't like a malignant cancer or something, it is a new individual being formed.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

It's in her body, not his. Whenever males and females fuse together during pregnancy, then they can be forced to discuss it. But until then, her body, her choice, not his.

It being her body doesn't mean anything, she's carrying the fetus as a member of a couple, not herself. Not only that, but it isn't like a malignant cancer or something, it is a new individual being formed.

It is still in her body, and she gets to choose what to do with her body. No one else gets to decide that, because (once again) it is her body and not theirs. It is not her husband's body, it is not her mother's body, it is not her friends' body, it is hers. It being inside her means literally everything.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

She should considering the fetus in her uterus isn't just hers. But of course it's "whining" when it comes to the man's side of the argument, but it isn't for the women.....typical.

It's in her body, not his. Whenever males and females fuse together during pregnancy, then they can be forced to discuss it. But until then, her body, her choice, not his.

I will say about this that I think yes, if two people love each other and they trust each other (notice the words I am using) then I would think it is a good idea to discuss it. However, notice that it is a discussion, and that the men ultimately have to let the girl have the choice. They may have an opinion about it, and certainly the woman may or may not let them be part of their decision-making process, however, it is a woman's ultimate choice, and a woman needs to feel they can trust their partner before talking about something like that.

[Salentopia]

Since the baby is developing inside of the woman and not the man I am thinking that the man should not have a saying.

[Mkuki]

My care stops here. I don't really care if she's annoyed at hearing her husbands arguments for or against an abortion. She should hear it anyway. If only for legal reasons.

So you support forcing her to listen to her husband whine about how he wants to control her body?

If she wants to have an abortion in a publicly-funded, i.e. government-funded, hospital? Yes.

Note: The woman does not have to do what her husband says. She just has to hear his own grievances.

My care stops here. I don't really care if she's annoyed at hearing her husbands arguments for or against an abortion. She should hear it anyway. If only for legal reasons.

What does "for legal reasons" mean?

EDIT: Hi there TS. That server outage was annoying.

Legal reasons means in a publicly-funded, i.e. government-funded, hospital.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Unless she wishes to take his opinion into account, she can refuse to listen to anything he has to say, and he has two options:
A) Accept that she is her own person and will decide what is right for her, or
B) Insinuate that she needs to listen to him because he deserves to decide what happens to her body.
She has no obligation to listen to a damn thing he says, and if he thinks otherwise he is asserting that his opinion is greater than her choice.

I find it funny you go on and on about choice, but for some reason, tearing apart fetuses with knives doesn't disturb you in the slightest. You remind me of Ayn Rand.

Ayn Rand was nuts.

I would have thought rational personalities would leave her camp soon after she began being crazy. Guess not, otherwise the Rand foundation wouldn't exist by now.

[Othelos]

It's irrelevant, as abortion should only be permitted if a woman's life is under threat, and she'd clearly save herself.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

It's in her body, not his. Whenever males and females fuse together during pregnancy, then they can be forced to discuss it. But until then, her body, her choice, not his.

I will say about this that I think yes, if two people love each other and they trust each other (notice the words I am using) then I would think it is a good idea to discuss it. However, notice that it is a discussion, and that the men ultimately have to let the girl have the choice. They may have an opinion about it, and certainly the woman may or may not let them be part of their decision-making process, however, it is a woman's ultimate choice, and a woman needs to feel they can trust their partner before talking about something like that.

Exactly. If she wants to talk to him and trusts him and wants him to be part of the decision-making process, she has every right to ask him.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

So you support forcing her to listen to her husband whine about how he wants to control her body?

If she wants to have an abortion in a publicly-funded, i.e. government-funded, hospital? Yes.

Note: The woman does not have to do what her husband says. She just has to hear his own grievances.

What does "for legal reasons" mean?

EDIT: Hi there TS. That server outage was annoying.

Legal reasons means in a publicly-funded, i.e. government-funded, hospital.

So now she's not allowed to get an abortion unless she is forced to listen to an irrelevant and annoying opinion that has no place in her life and may even cause her emotional damage, just because the hospital isn't a private one?
On what planet does that make sense?

It's irrelevant, as abortion should only be permitted if a woman's life is under threat, and she'd clearly save herself.

Sorry, abortion is a woman's right. No one and nothing has a right to use her body against her will.