Should men have a choice in abortion?

[Khanastan]

I'll get the Swiss the money, and you get the storks... whatever it is storks eat.

Babies, I assume.

Well... this is problematic. Unless we can find a new carrier bird it is back to square one.

[Czechanada]

I'll get the Swiss the money, and you get the storks... whatever it is storks eat.

Babies, I assume.

Reminds me of that one scene from a movie/ that one Simpsons episode where a courier accepts a flask of whisky as payment for delivering a letter.

[Ifreann]

Babies, I assume.

Well... this is problematic. Unless we can find a new carrier bird it is back to square one.

They just eat the spares.

[Czechanada]

Well... this is problematic. Unless we can find a new carrier bird it is back to square one.

They just eat the spares.

Just feed the stork before it leaves.

[Mkuki]

Now that I've thought about it I think that men should have a hand in the decision of whether or not to have an abortion, but the woman should be the one to 'pull the trigger' so to speak.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

So long as we all get both sets of reproductive systems, I'm good.

Hermaphrodites would be difficult to implement. I was just advocating that every woman should get pregnant with twins (or any even set, for that matter.) *nods*

That... that doesn't work at all... He'd still be forcing her to do something with her body that she would not want to do.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Now that I've thought about it I think that men should have a hand in the decision of whether or not to have an abortion, but the woman should be the one to 'pull the trigger' so to speak.

He should have an opinion to place forth - whether or not she listens to it or not is her decision.

[Czechanada]

Hermaphrodites would be difficult to implement. I was just advocating that every woman should get pregnant with twins (or any even set, for that matter.) *nods*

That... that doesn't work at all... He'd still be forcing her to do something with her body that she would not want to do.

Which is why I am kidding, madam.

[Mkuki]

Now that I've thought about it I think that men should have a hand in the decision of whether or not to have an abortion, but the woman should be the one to 'pull the trigger' so to speak.

He should have an opinion to place forth - whether or not she listens to it or not is her decision.

Yes, that was what I said.

[Evil Siamese Cats]

In terms of the biological father's rights, I'm torn. On one hand, if he really, really wants to be a father, the mother of the child can pretty much go out and abort the child for no other reason than to spite him, and he can't legally do shit, so for nine months, he's potentially at the mercy of the mother. On the other hand, he's not the one giving birth, carrying extra baby weight, or giving up sushi and bourbon, so the bulk of the rights should go to the mother.

The only time the father should ever have a right, if he has one at all, to control an abortion is to prevent one, unless the mother is incompetent.

One possibility, and this may or may not work - an unmarried pair hooks up, and all of a sudden, bam, she's pregnant, and it's plainly obvious to both parties who the father is. She wants an abortion because she doesn't want a damn kid and doesn't want to go through all the hell of carrying a kid to term because she, let's just say, needs to avoid pregnancy for professional or school reasons. However, the father really wants the baby, to the point where he'll raise it on his own or find another mother to help. At this point, the situation turns into an awkward form of surrogacy, at which point we have to determine what is fair to compensate the mother for her troubles. Certainly the right to sign away her parental rights free and clear is in order. Also, the father should probably be on the hook for the bulk of her medical bills. Beyond that, I don't know.

[Ifreann]

In terms of the biological father's rights, I'm torn. On one hand, if he really, really wants to be a father, the mother of the child can pretty much go out and abort the child for no other reason than to spite him, and he can't legally do shit, so for nine months, he's potentially at the mercy of the mother. On the other hand, he's not the one giving birth, carrying extra baby weight, or giving up sushi and bourbon, so the bulk of the rights should go to the mother.

The only time the father should ever have a right, if he has one at all, to control an abortion is to prevent one, unless the mother is incompetent.

He doesn't have one at all. So that's that, then.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

In terms of the biological father's rights, I'm torn. On one hand, if he really, really wants to be a father, the mother of the child can pretty much go out and abort the child for no other reason than to spite him, and he can't legally do shit, so for nine months, he's potentially at the mercy of the mother. On the other hand, he's not the one giving birth, carrying extra baby weight, or giving up sushi and bourbon, so the bulk of the rights should go to the mother.

The only time the father should ever have a right, if he has one at all, to control an abortion is to prevent one, unless the mother is incompetent.

One possibility, and this may or may not work - an unmarried pair hooks up, and all of a sudden, bam, she's pregnant, and it's plainly obvious to both parties who the father is. She wants an abortion because she doesn't want a damn kid and doesn't want to go through all the hell of carrying a kid to term because she, let's just say, needs to avoid pregnancy for professional or school reasons. However, the father really wants the baby, to the point where he'll raise it on his own or find another mother to help. At this point, the situation turns into an awkward form of surrogacy, at which point we have to determine what is fair to compensate the mother for her troubles. Certainly the right to sign away her parental rights free and clear is in order. Also, the father should probably be on the hook for the bulk of her medical bills. Beyond that, I don't know.

If she doesn't want to be pregnant she doesn't have to be, end of story. There is no situation fathomable in which case a woman should be prevented from having an abortion. Or having a baby, if that's what she wants.

[Condunum]

Hermaphrodites would be difficult to implement. I was just advocating that every woman should get pregnant with twins (or any even set, for that matter.) *nods*

That... that doesn't work at all... He'd still be forcing her to do something with her body that she would not want to do.

You'll have to pardon our friend here. Canadians are still a bit too british and therefore their humor is hard to understand.

[Ashmoria]

He should have an opinion to place forth - whether or not she listens to it or not is her decision.

Yes, that was what I said.

should she be forced to hear him out?

[The Grey Wolf]

Yes, that was what I said.

should she be forced to hear him out?

Considering it's his kid as well, and she doesn't have to accept his advice, yeah, she should.

[Mkuki]

Yes, that was what I said.

should she be forced to hear him out?

Not physically forced. Legally, though, it depends on the case. If the husband is abusive to either her or, if there are any, the existing children then no she shouldn't. However, if the male has no record off being abusive in any way then she should, legally, be forced to hear his grievances. Of course that applies only if the two are married or have some form of domestic partnership contract.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

should she be forced to hear him out?

Not physically forced. Legally, though, it depends on the case. If the husband is abusive to either her or, if there are any, the existing children then no she shouldn't. However, if the male has no record off being abusive in any way then she should, legally, be forced to hear his grievances. Of course that applies only if the two are married or have some form of domestic partnership contract.

Sorry but she doesn't even have to listen to him if nothing is going to change her mind either way.

[Ifreann]

should she be forced to hear him out?

Considering it's his kid as well, and she doesn't have to accept his advice, yeah, she should.

What are you going to do, arrest her and cuff her to a chair while he makes a speech?

[The Rising Sun Katana]

Babies, I assume.

Well... this is problematic. Unless we can find a new carrier bird it is back to square one.

Mallards are cool!! There's a park by my house that has a small lake and lots of ducks, turtles, and fish and we go there to feed'em sometimes. Mallards can bust a move for a nummy so they'd bee the bomb!!

[The Grey Wolf]

Considering it's his kid as well, and she doesn't have to accept his advice, yeah, she should.

What are you going to do, arrest her and cuff her to a chair while he makes a speech?

Don't put words in my mouth.
If she doesn't want to hear him, she can decide not to. I just said she should, morally.

[Mkuki]

Not physically forced. Legally, though, it depends on the case. If the husband is abusive to either her or, if there are any, the existing children then no she shouldn't. However, if the male has no record off being abusive in any way then she should, legally, be forced to hear his grievances. Of course that applies only if the two are married or have some form of domestic partnership contract.

Sorry but she doesn't even have to listen to him if nothing is going to change her mind either way.

If nothing will change her mind then it shouldn't matter if she hears his opinion. Nobody should be able to make such a life changing decision without hearing arguments for or against that decision from all directly interested parties.

[Ifreann]

Well... this is problematic. Unless we can find a new carrier bird it is back to square one.

Mallards are cool!! There's a park by my house that has a small lake and lots of ducks, turtles, and fish and we go there to feed'em sometimes. Mallards can bust a move for a nummy so they'd bee the bomb!!

Nah, ducks are busy fighting their rape war against each other.

[Mkuki]

Mallards are cool!! There's a park by my house that has a small lake and lots of ducks, turtles, and fish and we go there to feed'em sometimes. Mallards can bust a move for a nummy so they'd bee the bomb!!

Nah, ducks are busy fighting their rape war against each other.

Talk about a war on women...

[Ifreann]

Nah, ducks are busy fighting their rape war against each other.

Talk about a war on women...

Not women. Ducks.

[The Rising Sun Katana]

Considering it's his kid as well, and she doesn't have to accept his advice, yeah, she should.

What are you going to do, arrest her and cuff her to a chair while he makes a speech?

No way man. Saying anything to a woman other than what she wants to hear is a total waste of time dude. Just spoon feed'em what they wanna hear and get what you want out of it while you're at it. By the time she figures out that's what you're doing you can just trade her in for a newer model with less miles on her. Don't hate the Playa!! Hate the Game....