Shooting women for refusing sex is OK!

[Shellinameow]

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[Lammatrey]

Someone please tell me that this discussion is a joke. I really hope it is. If not, it's ridiculous that someone is actually saying all of this. OF COURSE it's not okay to shoot a woman for refusing sex. This is ridiculous.

[Ifreann]

He shouldn't shoot at things he doesn't want dead.

He wanted the tire dead.

And he shot at a car with two people in it. He shouldn't have done that unless he wanted them all dead.

[Des-Bal]

And he shot at a car with two people in it. He shouldn't have done that unless he wanted them all dead.

Instead of pointing out the obvious issues with that lethal force was deemed justifiable.

[Shellinameow]

So ... wait ... she was an escort for him. He paid her $150 ... and she decided she didn't want to have sex with him ... so he shot her ...

Please someone tell me I got something wrong there

[Camelza]

It's extremely sad that a human being was killed for 150$, but I think this was an isolated incident.
All the people that are accusing Texans of being conservative gun nuts and that it's the Texas Judicial System's fault that the murderer got away with it so easily should reconsider as this could have happened everywhere else if the murderer had a damn good lawyer. It's propably the law system as a whole that sucks.

[Neo Art]

So ... wait ... she was an escort for him. He paid her $150 ... and she decided she didn't want to have sex with him ... so he shot her ...

Please someone tell me I got something wrong there

No no see, he shot AT her. AT her. that's a crucial difference.

Apparently.

[Des-Bal]

So ... wait ... she was an escort for him. He paid her $150 ... and she decided she didn't want to have sex with him ... so he shot her ...

Please someone tell me I got something wrong there

He hired her as an escort she decided not to have sex with him and left with the money. The defense contends that she was planning to steal his money the entire time. He shoots at the tires of the car to prevent her from escaping and a bullet fragment strikes her in the neck.

[Shellinameow]

So ... wait ... she was an escort for him. He paid her $150 ... and she decided she didn't want to have sex with him ... so he shot her ...

Please someone tell me I got something wrong there

No no see, he shot AT her. AT her. that's a crucial difference.

Apparently.

But....... it's not ......

[Camelza]

No no see, he shot AT her. AT her. that's a crucial difference.

Apparently.

But....... it's not ......

Someone shoots at a person --> a person dies.
The result is the same and it's such a shame.

[Ostroeuropa]

So ... wait ... she was an escort for him. He paid her $150 ... and she decided she didn't want to have sex with him ... so he shot her ...

Please someone tell me I got something wrong there

He claims, and the jury believes, that the money was for her to have sex with him.
She did not.

If this was the case, and she did not refund him, it is a theft.
It occured at night.

Texas law allows lethal force to prevent theft at night.


This is ignoring that prostitution is illegal, ignoring that escorts are not prostitutes, etc.


So we have a stupid law being applied in the wrong situation and ignoring that even if it were the situation the man claims, it still would not apply.

Therefore, it's entirely safe to say this ruling is bullshit.
However, the argument seems to be

"If a prostitute walks away without giving their services, and has kept your money, do you have the right to use deadly force to recover the money?"
(Assuming soliciting and prostitution were legal.)
The right to do this is an extension of "Deadly force is permissable to recover stolen property" argument.

[Shellinameow]

So ... wait ... she was an escort for him. He paid her $150 ... and she decided she didn't want to have sex with him ... so he shot her ...

Please someone tell me I got something wrong there

He claims, and the jury believes, that the money was for her to have sex with him.
She did not.

But... I thought...

If this was the case, and she did not refund him, it is a theft.
It occured at night.

Texas law allows lethal force to prevent theft at night.

I thought that an escort... like you paid them for their time, so that money was hers.

This is ignoring that prostitution is illegal, ignoring that escorts are not prostitutes, etc.

Right I was about to say that.

So we have a stupid law being applied in the wrong situation and ignoring that even if it were the situation the man claims, it still would not apply.

wow... no friggin way...

[Kromar]

I feel no sympathy for this woman. If the man did not fire upon the woman, he would be left with the following options:
1. Allow her to leave with 150 dollars.
2. Sue her for a chance to get the 150 dollars back, thereby expending resources which would add up to more than the value of 150 dollars.
3. Commit trespass, and other crimes, by somehow finding out the woman's address and breaking in to take the money.

I think risking her life, and reclaiming the 150, is the best course of action. The woman is a lowly whore/thief, and it is not so immoral to kill her.

... Did a woman take a shit on your porch or something?

I fail to see how that would apply. What I'm saying has nothing to do with some grudge against women. I just value my own property over the lives of criminals who would try to separate me from it.

[Surfistan]

If only she'd had a gun.

Give all prostitutes guns or otherwise... Ermm... Pimps will have guns?
It doesn't sound right.

It's really horrible.
He should have had at least 10 years, but it's Texas, where women are mere property.

[Gauthier]

If only she'd had a gun.

Give all prostitutes guns or otherwise... Ermm... Pimps will have guns?
It doesn't sound right.

It's really horrible.
He should have had at least 10 years, but it's Texas, where women are mere property.

But it's Texas, where property crimes are punished more severely.

Apparently the problem was nobody could determine whose property the woman was, otherwise he'd be in jail right now.

[Esternial]

So ... wait ... she was an escort for him. He paid her $150 ... and she decided she didn't want to have sex with him ... so he shot her ...

Please someone tell me I got something wrong there

He hired her as an escort she decided not to have sex with him and left with the money. The defense contends that she was planning to steal his money the entire time. He shoots at the tires of the car to prevent her from escaping and a bullet fragment strikes her in the neck.

Nothing I see here justifies that murder, aside from lies about the woman stealing money.

[Central Slavia]

This is just overall awful.

While I aren't that sympathetic for a scammer, and people get killed for far less than $150 (say deaths in muggings) the guy seems like a legit danger, furthermore . . .
All we have for his version seems to be his own testimony. Which makes me a good bit leery - I mean, of course if someone kills someone of course he's going to claim it was justified.

As an aside, if his defense rested on him admitting he hired her for, well, fucking him and she refused thus scamming him out of his money, can't he be at least tried for soliciting prostitution?

[Rome and Italy]

This only reinforces my belief that the Union would be must better WITHOUT Texas.

[The Rich Port]

This only reinforces my belief that the Union would be must better WITHOUT Texas.

Can we release Texas from the Union?

They're always fucking around about independence.

Let's give it to them.

[The Steel Magnolia]

This only reinforces my belief that the Union would be must better WITHOUT Texas.

Can we release Texas from the Union?

They're always fucking around about independence.

Let's give it to them.

Yeah! That'll be fantastic for the hookers and blacks and gays!

[Surfistan]

Can we release Texas from the Union?

They're always fucking around about independence.

Let's give it to them.

Yeah! That'll be fantastic for the hookers and blacks and gays!

Well, make an enclave, with like, walls of 40 feet high, with rocket launchers every 50 yards and snipers to defend these people, ruled by a prince (ofc) were citizens should take psychological test before they can acquire a gun. And prostitution and gay marriage is legal.

God We Bless the Prince of New Austin.

[Surfistan]

Give all prostitutes guns or otherwise... Ermm... Pimps will have guns?
It doesn't sound right.

It's really horrible.
He should have had at least 10 years, but it's Texas, where women are mere property.

But it's Texas, where property crimes are punished more severely.

Apparently the problem was nobody could determine whose property the woman was, otherwise he'd be in jail right now.

State property of Wyoming. She would have been fine then.

[Des-Bal]

Nothing I see here justifies that murder, aside from lies about the woman stealing money.

I wish there was some way we could assemble an impartial group of people and have them over an extended period of time review the facts of the case as presented by professional lawyers sadly since no such system exists we just have to agree to disagree.

[Ifreann]

And he shot at a car with two people in it. He shouldn't have done that unless he wanted them all dead.

Instead of pointing out the obvious issues with that lethal force was deemed justifiable.

Because it was night time. Texas logic.

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Can we release Texas from the Union?

They're always fucking around about independence.

Let's give it to them.

Yeah! That'll be fantastic for the hookers and blacks and gays!

If anything Texas should be put under the control of the federal government a la DC until it gets it shit together.

[Mavorpen]

If anything Texas should be put under the control of the federal government a la DC until it gets it shit together.

Please, as a Texan, I beg for this to happen.