Shooting women for refusing sex is OK!

[Utracia]

Who would have thought a Texas jury would be so gullible.

[Ecans]

Ah Texas. That bastion of civilization.

[Alien Space Bats]

As per the contract, he was entitled to sexual services. Honoring the contract means granting him sexual services (that is, she has ceded control to her own body by accepting the terms of the contract). This would not be rape - she has consented to the contract, so he retains the right to these sexual services (which require the provision of her body - until the contract is fulfilled, she does not retain a right to her own body. Rape, assault and murder require the violation's of one's right to his own body, which one can cede by contract).

Here is the problem with your logic: Under American contract law, no contract can ever be binding if its purpose is illegal.

Prostitution is illegal in Texas. Thus, even if the defendant believed that he had paid for sex, that contract would be illegal, given that it was a contract in violation of local laws against prostitution. Illegal contracts cannot be enforced; ergo, the "nighttime theft" provision of the law should have never come into play. I blame the judge, who should have instructed the jury to completely disregard the defense attorney's arguments regarding nighttime theft, and instead ordered them to render a verdict based on the simple, straight-up question of whether or not he shot her and whether or not she died (I believe the lawyers out there call that a "directed verdict", although I could be wrong on that small detail).

And yes, the upshot of all this is that people who make illegal deals (eg., to buy drugs or solicit sex) have no recourse whatsoever should the other party to the bargain blatantly rip them off. Outraged libertarians can be outraged; this is a deliberate choice built into our law as a disincentive to illegal conspiracy. Deal with it, or go home.

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That said, an interesting question now arises: If you bribe a public official after dark, can you shoot him it he doesn't honor the terms of the bribe?

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To be safe, you should make sure you pay him after dark (preferably while wearing a wire or having someone who can testify to the bribe), and then shoot his ass after dark as well.

To me, that whole angle to this says everything you need to know about Texas. It's a whole 'nother country, that's for sure...

[Caninope]

Ah Texas. That bastion of civilization.

Can we just stop with all the stupid quotes like this, from people who are obviously uninformed with the details of the case?

[Caninope]

*snip*

I agree with you completely, ASB, but I'm adhering to Hanlon's Razor. It seems likely enough that you had a fallible jury and a good lawyer who made an alleged loophole jut large enough for the jurors to justify jury nullification.

EDIT: I should also add that directed verdicts are not allowed against the defendant, as a general rule.

[Ifreann]

Ah Texas. That bastion of civilization.

Can we just stop with all the stupid quotes like this, from people who are obviously uninformed with the details of the case?

I'm reasonably across the details of the case, am I allowed to think Texas is ass-backwards and uncivilised?

[Gauthier]

Ah Texas. That bastion of civilization.

Can we just stop with all the stupid quotes like this, from people who are obviously uninformed with the details of the case?

Let's see the list here...

Presumption of female escort service to include prostitution. Check.

Lethal force in response to nonviolent walking away with money. Check.

The legalization of lethal force in response to nonviolence. Check.

Oh yeah, we have to call Texas civilized.

[Caninope]

Can we just stop with all the stupid quotes like this, from people who are obviously uninformed with the details of the case?

I'm reasonably across the details of the case, am I allowed to think Texas is ass-backwards and uncivilised?

Yes, yes you are.

I just ask that you don't characterize Texas or the South as ass-backwards simply because of a stupid jury. I just hate all these people who see a jury nullification and immediately see it as ripe for negative comments towards Texas and/or the South without knowing the facts of the case.

It's a bad case yes, but jury nullification does not an uncivilized state make.

[Al Horeya]

Alright...so will he face charges for soliciting prostitution? I mean, I get why they let him go for murder (I don't agree, but I see where the "loop hole" is), but that doesn't change the fact that he gave her that money for sex, which is illegal.
Also, with the cost of ammo nowadays, he may have been better off letting her keep the money lol

[Caninope]

Alright...so will he face charges for soliciting prostitution? I mean, I get why they let him go for murder (I don't agree, but I see where the "loop hole" is), but that doesn't change the fact that he gave her that money for sex, which is illegal.

Soliciting prostitution is a class B misdemeanor in Texas.

Also, with the cost of ammo nowadays, he may have been better off letting her keep the money lol

A woman died, and her murderer is walking free. That's not funny.

[Des-Bal]

Can we just stop with all the stupid quotes like this, from people who are obviously uninformed with the details of the case?

Let's see the list here...

Presumption of female escort service to include prostitution. Check.

Lethal force in response to nonviolent walking away with money. Check.

The legalization of lethal force in response to nonviolence. Check.

Oh yeah, we have to call Texas civilized.

Well yeah but ,again, you have problems with someone defending their children against burglars. You're issues with lethal force run pretty deep.

[Alien Space Bats]

Jesus fucking Christ what the fuck is wrong with you people?

It's Texas, for Christ's sake. What makes you think it has to be $150?

I mean, isn't the standard sum of money needed to make a contract valid just $1? Or could you blow somebody away for picking up a penny off your driveway?

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My point is that Texas places very little value on human life, unless it's still unborn. You can basically blow someone away for crossing your property without permission, as long as you think they're up to no good. Remember?

[Gauthier]

Can we just stop with all the stupid quotes like this, from people who are obviously uninformed with the details of the case?

Let's see the list here...

Presumption of female escort service to include prostitution. Check.

Lethal force in response to nonviolent walking away with money. Check.

The legalization of lethal force in response to nonviolence. Check.

Oh yeah, we have to call Texas civilized.

Well yeah but ,again, you have problems with someone defending their children against burglars. You're issues with lethal force run pretty deep.

You mean the case where a woman shot a man approaching her door on the *presumption* he was a burglar?

[Al Horeya]

Soliciting prostitution is a class B misdemeanor in Texas.

Oh. Damn, alright. Still, something is something.

A woman died, and her murderer is walking free. That's not funny.

Ok, but one can always make light of it. You don't have to get so negative, it's not like you knew her.

[Xirnium]

Or could you blow somebody away for picking up a penny off your driveway?

Sounds like larceny by finding; shoot away.

That's why I find this law so perplexing.

[Caninope]

Ok, but one can always make light of it. You don't have to get so negative, it's not like you knew her.

I'm normally one for humor, but a woman died over $150.

[Des-Bal]

You mean the case where a woman shot a man approaching her door on the *presumption* he was a burglar?

No I mean the case where a man forced his way into her home, began looting her families belongings unimpeded, and was fired on only after approaching the woman and her children.

[Al Horeya]

You mean the case where a woman shot a man approaching her door on the *presumption* he was a burglar?

No I mean the case where a man forced his way into her home, began looting her families belongings unimpeded, and was fired on only after approaching the woman and her children.

Who were hiding in a closet, if I remember correctly.

[Gauthier]

You mean the case where a woman shot a man approaching her door on the *presumption* he was a burglar?

No I mean the case where a man forced his way into her home, began looting her families belongings unimpeded, and was fired on only after approaching the woman and her children.

If there was a link to the specific incident that would help.

It's also hilariously hypocritical how you say me bringing up racial factors is irrelevant yet you're harping on me supposedly wanting people to be defenseless without full details on the actual incident.

[Des-Bal]

If there was a link to the specific incident that would help.

It's also hilariously hypocritical how you say me bringing up racial factors is irrelevant yet you're harping on me supposedly wanting people to be defenseless without full details on the actual incident.

http://kdvr.com/2013/01/06/georgia-mom- ... s-in-face/

Oh fuck I was supposed to dodge the question wasn't I?

Edit: Oh, so you just don't know what hypocritical means.

[Gauthier]

If there was a link to the specific incident that would help.

It's also hilariously hypocritical how you say me bringing up racial factors is irrelevant yet you're harping on me supposedly wanting people to be defenseless without full details on the actual incident.

http://kdvr.com/2013/01/06/georgia-mom- ... s-in-face/

Oh fuck I was supposed to dodge the question wasn't I?

Edit: Oh, so you just don't know what hypocritical means.

Oh that incident. Since when do rational people in the United States respond to someone knocking at the door and ringing doorbells by hiding with their children? The man wasn't even described as a Jehovah's Witness. That was the root of the objection. The shooting could have been unnecessary if she just answered the door instead of waiting for him to come in. And most modern doors have walleyes because I know what you'll be trying to say.

[Des-Bal]

Oh that incident. Since when do rational people in the United States respond to someone knocking at the door and ringing doorbells by hiding with their children? The man wasn't even described as a Jehovah's Witness. That was the root of the objection. The shooting could have been unnecessary if she just answered the door instead of waiting for him to come in. And most modern doors have walleyes because I know what you'll be trying to say.

When it's late at night? The fact is that hiding with her children was a smart move given he was there to rob the house.


You have a fundamental problem with people defending themselves.

[Gauthier]

Oh that incident. Since when do rational people in the United States respond to someone knocking at the door and ringing doorbells by hiding with their children? The man wasn't even described as a Jehovah's Witness. That was the root of the objection. The shooting could have been unnecessary if she just answered the door instead of waiting for him to come in. And most modern doors have walleyes because I know what you'll be trying to say.

When it's late at night? The fact is that hiding with her children was a smart move given he was there to rob the house.


You have a fundamental problem with people defending themselves.

Knocking at the door and ringing the doorbell, and the story said nothing about the man being armed.

Yeah, clearly he's a polite robber paying a housecall.

[Pillea]

Oh that incident. Since when do rational people in the United States respond to someone knocking at the door and ringing doorbells by hiding with their children? The man wasn't even described as a Jehovah's Witness. That was the root of the objection. The shooting could have been unnecessary if she just answered the door instead of waiting for him to come in. And most modern doors have walleyes because I know what you'll be trying to say.

When it's late at night? The fact is that hiding with her children was a smart move given he was there to rob the house.


You have a fundamental problem with people defending themselves.

The article states it was 1pm. As in, right about lunch time, not the "darkest hours of the night when the only people on the street are criminals" o'clock.

[Vorshka]

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