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Postby Freelanderness » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:08 pm

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Freelanderness wrote:No I agree. Because when people question victims and they don't always remember things properly, people think they're lying. But really that's just the effects. Hell I didn't remember until I got violently triggered while attempting to have consensual sex years later. It's a frightening, frightening thing, and I think people would better be able to understand what a victim is really going through.

It's definitely one of the the least understood problems. I could hardly remember the details of the crash, but for some reason society seems to not believe that PTSD really hits hard the ability to remember specifics about the event while making a lot of things remind you about the event. I think an awareness campaign for mental health in general probably would do good, but what horrifies me about cases is that some people focus on the damage caused by the rapist's actions in legal repercussions for them, but don't make any reference to the mental problems sufferers will deal with.

Yeah we definitely need an awareness campaign about mental disorders, and how they affect people. I have a few friends who I'm quite sure have the effects of PTSD but they don't call it that because "that's only something you get from war"
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Postby Freelanderness » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:10 pm

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Freelanderness wrote:No I agree. Because when people question victims and they don't always remember things properly, people think they're lying. But really that's just the effects. Hell I didn't remember until I got violently triggered while attempting to have consensual sex years later. It's a frightening, frightening thing, and I think people would better be able to understand what a victim is really going through.


We learned about this in psychology.
If you ask someone for their story and it keeps changing, all it means is that upon reflecting on the events more and more they are remembering more and more about them.
Which is entirely to be expected.
A liar on the other hand will be careful to stick to the lie and not expand on it, they are consciously trying to deceive and be believed.
A tactic the police will use is to ask you to recite events in reverse order. Liars typically can't do it, since they memorized a script.

That's clever. Exactly. And victims will often recant their stories, etc, etc. It's complicated business, which is why we need to do more work looking into it, and its effects, specifically in a criminal context.
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Postby Edlichbury » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:17 pm

Freelanderness wrote:
Edlichbury wrote:It's definitely one of the the least understood problems. I could hardly remember the details of the crash, but for some reason society seems to not believe that PTSD really hits hard the ability to remember specifics about the event while making a lot of things remind you about the event. I think an awareness campaign for mental health in general probably would do good, but what horrifies me about cases is that some people focus on the damage caused by the rapist's actions in legal repercussions for them, but don't make any reference to the mental problems sufferers will deal with.

Yeah we definitely need an awareness campaign about mental disorders, and how they affect people. I have a few friends who I'm quite sure have the effects of PTSD but they don't call it that because "that's only something you get from war"

I understand entirely. My friends told me that even though my car was totaled and I was pretty badly injured (so bad I was on painkillers for a year), I couldn't have it because I still can drive a car. If people understood the effects on mental health of crime victims, I think there would be a lot more sympathy for them.

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:53 pm

I was playing this mature game (don't judge) but quit after finding out its premise is a superhero having sex with a supermodel after she was being anally raped. I mean, right after the guy takes her home they get down to something.

Seriously? What the fuck.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:58 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:I was playing this mature game (don't judge) but quit after finding out its premise is a superhero having sex with a supermodel after she was being anally raped. I mean, right after the guy takes her home they get down to something.

Seriously? What the fuck.

Wat? :blink:
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:00 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:I was playing this mature game (don't judge) but quit after finding out its premise is a superhero having sex with a supermodel after she was being anally raped. I mean, right after the guy takes her home they get down to something.

Seriously? What the fuck.

Wat? :blink:

Its premise was exactly that. Save a woman from rape, she lets you have sex RIGHT AFTER THE WHOLE ORDEAL. I mean, there's been shittier plots to things like that but that made it in there.

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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:01 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:Wat? :blink:


I think that was a very poor segue into the topic of rape in media.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:02 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Wat? :blink:

Its premise was exactly that. Save a woman from rape, she lets you have sex RIGHT AFTER THE WHOLE ORDEAL. I mean, there's been shittier plots to things like that but that made it in there.

... wow. I think I'm going to go watch my cat videos playlist now.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:02 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:Its premise was exactly that. Save a woman from rape, she lets you have sex RIGHT AFTER THE WHOLE ORDEAL. I mean, there's been shittier plots to things like that but that made it in there.

... wow. I think I'm going to go watch my cat videos playlist now.

Can I join you?

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Postby Edlichbury » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:02 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:Its premise was exactly that. Save a woman from rape, she lets you have sex RIGHT AFTER THE WHOLE ORDEAL. I mean, there's been shittier plots to things like that but that made it in there.

... wow. I think I'm going to go watch my cat videos playlist now.

I'm watching my sister's puppy for the day. Never have I been more thankful for having to puppysit.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:07 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:... wow. I think I'm going to go watch my cat videos playlist now.

Can I join you?

Go ahead. The playlist has been linked (under the trigger warning).

Edlichbury wrote:I'm watching my sister's puppy for the day. Never have I been more thankful for having to puppysit.

*is jelly*
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Postby Sedikal » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:20 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:I was playing this mature game (don't judge) but quit after finding out its premise is a superhero having sex with a supermodel after she was being anally raped. I mean, right after the guy takes her home they get down to something.

Seriously? What the fuck.

Kinda reminds me of an ex-girlfriend.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:21 pm

Sedikal wrote:Kinda reminds me of an ex-girlfriend.


I can't tell if you need to explain that or if you need to never explain that.
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Postby Sedikal » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:22 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Sedikal wrote:Kinda reminds me of an ex-girlfriend.


I can't tell if you need to explain that or if you need to never explain that.

If you really want. It's nothing that bad but it is kinda creepy.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:23 pm

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Des-Bal wrote:
I can't tell if you need to explain that or if you need to never explain that.

If you really want. It's nothing that bad but it is kinda creepy.

Please don't.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:25 pm

Sedikal wrote:If you really want. It's nothing that bad but it is kinda creepy.


Open discussion may be productive but I leave it to your discretion.
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Postby Sedikal » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:31 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Sedikal wrote:If you really want. It's nothing that bad but it is kinda creepy.


Open discussion may be productive but I leave it to your discretion.

Alright I'll explain it but won't go into much detail

So I'm 17 and I hooked up with this 19 year old girl for awhile. Well I'm at her place and were getting frisky. Soon I see her handing me a ski mask and saying "fucking rape me". Needless to say one thing let to another and that relationship ended quickly afterwards.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:32 pm

Sedikal wrote:Alright I'll explain it but won't go into much detail

So I'm 17 and I hooked up with this 19 year old girl for awhile. Well I'm at her place and were getting frisky. Soon I see her handing me a ski mask and saying "fucking rape me". Needless to say one thing let to another and that relationship ended quickly afterwards.


Rape Fantasy. It's fairly common and I'm on the fence about whether or not it's harmful.
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Postby Sedikal » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:49 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Sedikal wrote:Alright I'll explain it but won't go into much detail

So I'm 17 and I hooked up with this 19 year old girl for awhile. Well I'm at her place and were getting frisky. Soon I see her handing me a ski mask and saying "fucking rape me". Needless to say one thing let to another and that relationship ended quickly afterwards.


Rape Fantasy. It's fairly common and I'm on the fence about whether or not it's harmful.

I still found it weird. Or at least unsettling on my part, Just didn't feel right.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:50 pm

Sedikal wrote:I still found it weird. Or at least unsettling on my part, Just didn't feel right.


Absolutely, I would have walked out immediately. What I want to know is how people feel about the fetishization of rape.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:02 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Sedikal wrote:I still found it weird. Or at least unsettling on my part, Just didn't feel right.


Absolutely, I would have walked out immediately. What I want to know is how people feel about the fetishization of rape.

It puts me the fuck off, but it's none of my business what anyone does in the bedroom. In media, the fetishization of rape seriously needs to go.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:12 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:It puts me the fuck off, but it's none of my business what anyone does in the bedroom. In media, the fetishization of rape seriously needs to go.


But the media is all about offering people what they want. If people want to play "mature games" where supermodels want to have sex with superheros have sex with women moments after they've been anally raped as disturbing as it is what's the justification for saying they shouldn't be able to shill their bile like all the other smut peddlers?
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Postby Freelanderness » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:14 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Sedikal wrote:I still found it weird. Or at least unsettling on my part, Just didn't feel right.


Absolutely, I would have walked out immediately. What I want to know is how people feel about the fetishization of rape.

In privacy, consenting adults can do whatever the fuck they desire.

In public? You bet your fucking ass it's got to go. And I'm saying that as someone who is decidedly submissive. Wanting it in the bedroom is not an invitation for it to be everywhere.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:15 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:It puts me the fuck off, but it's none of my business what anyone does in the bedroom. In media, the fetishization of rape seriously needs to go.


But the media is all about offering people what they want. If people want to play "mature games" where supermodels want to have sex with superheros have sex with women moments after they've been anally raped as disturbing as it is what's the justification for saying they shouldn't be able to shill their bile like all the other smut peddlers?

That's different from mainstream media, like James Bond, fetisizing rape.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:20 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:That's different from mainstream media, like James Bond, fetisizing rape.


That I get. I don't agree with censorship on principle but now that you mention it there clearly are examples of rape being fetishized in the main stream media and they absolutely are objectionable.
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