Regarding Rape Culture: Its Presence and Method of Attack

[Ostroeuropa]

To be fair, the question "Did they have any enemies?" is very common and could imply "Did they do anything that'd make someone think they deserve it?"

The question isn't "Did they do anything to piss the killer off?"

People ask "Did they have any enemies?" when they are trying to solve a murder, not because they are trying to justify it. Asking what a rape victim was wearing is different because it doesn't help you to solve the crime.

Fair point.

[Des-Bal]

The rest of the thread, where other people have described being silenced, seeing rape victims ridiculed by idiots on the internet, etc.

Being ridiculed by idiots on the internet shouldn't really be considered endemic to any kind of culture.

[Ostroeuropa]

The rest of the thread, where other people have described being silenced, seeing rape victims ridiculed by idiots on the internet, etc.

Being ridiculed by idiots on the internet shouldn't really be considered endemic to any kind of culture.

Internet culture.

[Des-Bal]

Internet culture.

There is no culture here. This is a warning to society about what happens in the absence of culture.

[Freelanderness]

I don't support violence. Period. That is why I describe things that way.

But I understand that violence can be justifiable in certain contexts. I don't like it, but I can understand it.

But rape? Rape is never justifiable. It doesn't solve anything, even in the most ill-thought out way. Rape is a tool to inflict pain, and that is never justifiable. Hence why I consider rape to be worse than killing.

Rape and other sexual violence are also much more prevalent than killing crimes. Affecting 1 in 3 women/girls, and 1 in 5 men/boys, sexual violence is an extremely pervasive crime that is underreported, and not taken seriously (see our own members on this board and their experiences)

Let me pose you a question instead: If we are so eager to listen to victims, then why are they so often labelled whores/sluts/bitches or pussies/emasculated? We don't question what a murder victim was wearing...

I don't really understand how you can both not support something but also see it as justifiable based on context.

Because people are dicks? I've known people to blame murder victims for who they associate with or choices they've made. I'm not denying people are sometimes dicks what I'm having trouble with is the idea that the culture surrounding rape is predominantly harmful.

Okay so do you want a personal account of being a survivor of sexual abuse and what it's like (cos it sure ain't fun)? Or what kind of information do I need to give you?

[Nazi Flower Power]

The rest of the thread, where other people have described being silenced, seeing rape victims ridiculed by idiots on the internet, etc.

Being ridiculed by idiots on the internet shouldn't really be considered endemic to any kind of culture.

So the idiots on the internet are not real people, right? They never go out and interact with anybody or play any role in society? The crap they post does not come from anywhere? They are all just artificial intelligences created by the lizardmen to confuse us?

And God forbid someone who was raped wants to use the internet as a means to share!

[Seperates]

Internet culture.

There is no culture here. This is a warning to society about what happens in the absence of culture.

Oh, no there is. It's quite pervasive.

[Des-Bal]

So the idiots on the internet are not real people, right? They never go out and interact with anybody or play any role in society? The crap they post does not come from anywhere? They are all just artificial intelligences created by the lizardmen to confuse us?

And God forbid someone who was raped wants to use the internet as a means to share!

The crap they post comes from a desire to piss people off. It comes from a desire to wound someone using as few words as possible.

Never share anything you aren't prepared to see mocked. Especially not on the internet.

[Des-Bal]

Okay so do you want a personal account of being a survivor of sexual abuse and what it's like (cos it sure ain't fun)? Or what kind of information do I need to give you?

Excellent question. Individualness gave an outline about what constitutes rape culture. I'd like to see the evidence that those claims are true.

[Choronzon]

I don't really understand how you can both not support something but also see it as justifiable based on context.

...really?

[Choronzon]

Okay so do you want a personal account of being a survivor of sexual abuse and what it's like (cos it sure ain't fun)? Or what kind of information do I need to give you?

Excellent question. Individualness gave an outline about what constitutes rape culture. I'd like to see the evidence that those claims are true.

So you can ignore them.

[Des-Bal]

So you can ignore them.

Don't confuse me and you I'm not here to ignore people I'm here to understand their feelings.

[Edlichbury]

So you can ignore them.

Don't confuse me and you I'm not here to ignore people I'm here to understand their feelings.

So the examples given previously in this thread, any comment on them yet? Or do they still not exist?

[Seperates]

So the idiots on the internet are not real people, right? They never go out and interact with anybody or play any role in society? The crap they post does not come from anywhere? They are all just artificial intelligences created by the lizardmen to confuse us?

And God forbid someone who was raped wants to use the internet as a means to share!

The crap they post comes from a desire to piss people off. It comes from a desire to wound someone using as few words as possible.

Never share anything you aren't prepared to see mocked. Especially not on the internet.

That's not the important question though. The important question is, "Why do they want to wound? What creates the desire?"

And that last part is rather correct. Internet can be a vicious place.

[Des-Bal]

So the examples given previously in this thread, any comment on them yet? Or do they still not exist?

Are you asking me to comment individual on all 760 some posts in this thread?

[Des-Bal]

That's not the important question though. The important question is, "Why do they want to wound? What creates the desire?"

And that last part is rather correct. Internet can be a vicious place.

Because they are dicks. The internet is filled with dicks.

[Edlichbury]

So the examples given previously in this thread, any comment on them yet? Or do they still not exist?

Are you asking me to comment individual on all 760 some posts in this thread?

How about we just start with the OP. What is your response to the links provided in the OP and their example of a pervasive rape culture?

[Seperates]

That's not the important question though. The important question is, "Why do they want to wound? What creates the desire?"

And that last part is rather correct. Internet can be a vicious place.

Because they are dicks. The internet is filled with dicks.

Why are they dicks then?

Are they dicks in real life to? Or is it only expressed online?

We can sit back and make statements all day long, but that doesn't get to the actual problem.

[Ostroeuropa]

Because they are dicks. The internet is filled with dicks.

Why are they dicks then?

Are they dicks in real life to? Or is it only expressed online?

We can sit back and make statements all day long, but that doesn't get to the actual problem.

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[Des-Bal]

How about we just start with the OP. What is your response to the links provided in the OP and their example of a pervasive rape culture?

That they are examples of dicks on the internet.

[Des-Bal]

Why are they dicks then?

Are they dicks in real life to? Or is it only expressed online?

We can sit back and make statements all day long, but that doesn't get to the actual problem.

I think the GIFT approaches it best.

Since it is now tommorrow I'm going to turn in, I would sincerely appreciate it if everybody could just not get the thread locked before I get back.

[Seperates]

Why are they dicks then?

Are they dicks in real life to? Or is it only expressed online?

We can sit back and make statements all day long, but that doesn't get to the actual problem.

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So it's anonymity and an audience?

[Ostroeuropa]

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So it's anonymity and an audience?

That's the theory yeh.

[Edlichbury]

How about we just start with the OP. What is your response to the links provided in the OP and their example of a pervasive rape culture?

That they are examples of dicks on the internet.

Now, how do you react to the link to your post, in which you claim "If that person didn't express their Anti Consent then it's not rape."

Seeing as you should know now that your statement was wrong, how do you respond to this example of pervasive rape culture?

[Nazi Flower Power]

So it's anonymity and an audience?

That's the theory yeh.

But that doesn't explain how people choose the style of dickery that they post. For example, why is Nazi crap so much more pervasive than hereditary aristocracy crap? (And rape crap is somewhere in between...)