Regarding Rape Culture: Its Presence and Method of Attack

[Des-Bal]

I'm saying that rape "jokes" don't even manage to qualify as dark humor.

That implies that all rape jkes promote rape and I don't think that's at all the case.

[Choronzon]

If you don't want to hear about someone's experiences you should just not participate in discussions where those experiences are entirely relevant.

If their experiences are relevant then they're being situationally appropriate and there's really no issue.

So you were saying this just to hear yourself talk?

I don't want to hear about your experiences with rape, murder, child abduction, or really most crimes during polite conversation. Asking someone to be situationally appropriate is not rape culture.

[Xsyne]

I'm saying that rape "jokes" don't even manage to qualify as dark humor.

That implies that all rape jkes promote rape and I don't think that's at all the case.

It's not. However, since pretty much no one actually tells rape jokes, electing instead to go "lol bitch u got raped", I think I can safely say that rape "jokes" do not qualify as dark humor.

[The Steel Magnolia]

...and? Sorry, you expect people who tell rape jokes to be funny?

I'm saying that rape "jokes" don't even manage to qualify as dark humor.

My apologies then, misinterpreted what you were saying.

[Des-Bal]

If their experiences are relevant then they're being situationally appropriate and there's really no issue.

So you were saying this just to hear yourself talk?

I don't want to hear about your experiences with rape, murder, child abduction, or really most crimes during polite conversation. Asking someone to be situationally appropriate is not rape culture.

So you just didn't read that? I said I don't want to hear about your horrible experiences during polite conversation, if we're talking about horrible experiences then that's absolutely situationally appropriate. If we're talking about different cuts of steak that is absolutely not situationally appropriate.

[Xsyne]

I'm saying that rape "jokes" don't even manage to qualify as dark humor.

My apologies then, misinterpreted what you were saying.

It's okay. I probably could have been more clear.

[Des-Bal]

It's not. However, since pretty much no one actually tells rape jokes, electing instead to go "lol bitch u got raped", I think I can safely say that rape "jokes" do not qualify as dark humor.

Some people do. I remember a stand up comedian who did a bit about crucifying child molesters with a nail gun that was pretty rape heavy. Of course just because stand up is a good source of jokes you can write down it's not the only source of jokes. One of the funniest moments from "Trailer Park Boys" involved one character being raped by a mountain lion that had eaten a bunch of viagra. Some characters commented it was sort of his fault for having such a long slender body and wearing a leopard print jacket.

[Xsyne]

It's not. However, since pretty much no one actually tells rape jokes, electing instead to go "lol bitch u got raped", I think I can safely say that rape "jokes" do not qualify as dark humor.

Some people do. I remember a stand up comedian who did a bit about crucifying child molesters with a nail gun that was pretty rape heavy. Of course just because stand up is a good source of jokes you can write down it's not the only source of jokes. One of the funniest moments from "Trailer Park Boys" involved one character being raped by a mountain lion that had eaten a bunch of viagra. Some characters commented it was sort of his fault for having such a long slender body and wearing a leopard print jacket.

Given that the second example does not actually qualify as a joke, and in fact is a perfect example of "lol bitch u got raped", I'm going to guess that none of the so-called jokes in your first example are actually jokes either.

[Des-Bal]

Given that the second example does not actually qualify as a joke, and in fact is a perfect example of "lol bitch u got raped", I'm going to guess that none of the so-called jokes in your first example are actually jokes either.

Why don't you define "Joke" so we're all on the same page.

[Choronzon]

So you were saying this just to hear yourself talk?

So you just didn't read that? I said I don't want to hear about your horrible experiences during polite conversation, if we're talking about horrible experiences then that's absolutely situationally appropriate. If we're talking about different cuts of steak that is absolutely not situationally appropriate.

So you just wanted to let everyone know that you don't want to hear about irrelevant experiences....during a conversation were relevant experiences were being shared?

[Des-Bal]

So you just didn't read that? I said I don't want to hear about your horrible experiences during polite conversation, if we're talking about horrible experiences then that's absolutely situationally appropriate. If we're talking about different cuts of steak that is absolutely not situationally appropriate.

So you just wanted to let everyone know that you don't want to hear about irrelevant experiences....during a conversation were relevant experiences were being shared?

No I just wanted to let everyone to know that rape, child abduction, and murder have absolutely nothing to do with steak, it's weird you're saying otherwise.

[Choronzon]

So you just wanted to let everyone know that you don't want to hear about irrelevant experiences....during a conversation were relevant experiences were being shared?

No I just wanted to let everyone to know that rape, child abduction, and murder have absolutely nothing to do with steak, it's weird you're saying otherwise.

I missed the part where this thread was about steak.

[Des-Bal]

I missed the part where this thread was about steak.

Did you think I was instructing people in this thread not to talk about rape?

[Choronzon]

I missed the part where this thread was about steak.

Did you think I was instructing people in this thread not to talk about rape?

So, you were just offering irrelevant commentary.

Good to know.

[Des-Bal]

So, you were just offering irrelevant commentary.

Good to know.

No, I was saying that telling someone to be situationally appropriate has nothing to do with rape culture and does not constitute silencing victims. I have no idea where the hell you got any other idea.

[Choronzon]

So, you were just offering irrelevant commentary.

Good to know.

No, I was saying that telling someone to be situationally appropriate has nothing to do with rape culture and does not constitute silencing victims. I have no idea where the hell you got any other idea.

So...you were just offering irrelevant commentary.

[Des-Bal]

So...you were just offering irrelevant commentary.

No I was talking about rape culture in a thread about rape culture in response to a comment about silencing victims.

[Choronzon]

So...you were just offering irrelevant commentary.

No I was talking about rape culture in a thread about rape culture in response to a comment about silencing victims.

My cat's mouth smells like cat food.

[Des-Bal]

My cat's mouth smells like cat food.

So now that you're done trying to derail the thread you're just spamming simpsons quotes?

[Nazi Flower Power]

I doubt that.

I don't have time to dig through the garbage of youtube comments but I have seem someone say almost the exact same words about something that had nothing to do with rape but was also a very uncomfortable topic.

Oh yeah, it was about someone talking about how they played a song at someone's funeral and someone said something along the lines of "Please don't talk about funerals".

And neither you nor Shelby has provided statistical evidence to prove your point, so I just have to go with my gut and guess what is most likely to get responses of "Please don't talk about that." And I'm guessing it happens with rape more often than funerals.

[Des-Bal]

And neither you nor Shelby has provided statistical evidence to prove your point, so I just have to go with my gut and guess what is most likely to get responses of "Please don't talk about that." And I'm guessing it happens with rape more often than funerals.

So you want a statistic that compares the number of times someone responds "please don't talk about that" to rapes and funerals when brought up randomly? There is just no possibility that that study exists, no reason for it to exist, and no methodology by which it could be created.

[Nazi Flower Power]

And neither you nor Shelby has provided statistical evidence to prove your point, so I just have to go with my gut and guess what is most likely to get responses of "Please don't talk about that." And I'm guessing it happens with rape more often than funerals.

So you want a statistic that compares the number of times someone responds "please don't talk about that" to rapes and funerals when brought up randomly? There is just no possibility that that study exists, no reason for it to exist, and no methodology by which it could be created.

There's studies on all kinds of dumb shit. It wouldn't have to be specifically about funerals to be relevant.

But I'm also not seeing how, "There's no reason for anyone to do that study" is evidence against the idea that people try to sweep rape under the rug so they can ignore it. Even though my opinion is just a guess rather than a proven fact, I don't see any reason for me to change it without some decent evidence.

[Des-Bal]

There's studies on all kinds of dumb shit. It wouldn't have to be specifically about funerals to be relevant.

But I'm also not seeing how, "There's no reason for anyone to do that study" is evidence against the idea that people try to sweep rape under the rug so they can ignore it. Even though my opinion is just a guess rather than a proven fact, I don't see any reason for me to change it without some decent evidence.

I don't see any reason for your opinion to be more valid than anyone elses meaning this tangent has reached the point where no further debate can be had.

[Freelanderness]

Complain more when someone on TV implies a rape is justified.

AKA almost never, the only time I've seen something like that said was by someone who was clearly a villain.

How about multiple new stations reporting on how holding someone accountable for rape isn't justified? Because that I can do. Just look up the coverage of the Stuebenville case. (And plenty of others)

Oooh what a promising future they had, ohh look how their lives are falling apart - CNN (paraphrased and exaggerated for effect.) Huffpo article on the coverage

Truth be told though, I see comments implying justifying rape all over, from the boy in my class who said that Stanley raping Blanche in A Streetcar Named Desire was justified because "she was uppity and needed to be brought down a peg" to the plethora of tweets following the highly publicized Steubenville case Enjoy a level of misogyny ... sadly found everywhere else or the link that the OP already showed Dumb Fucking Whore Registry

[Individuality-ness]

AKA almost never, the only time I've seen something like that said was by someone who was clearly a villain.

How about multiple new stations reporting on how holding someone accountable for rape isn't justified? Because that I can do. Just look up the coverage of the Stuebenville case. (And plenty of others)

Oooh what a promising future they had, ohh look how their lives are falling apart - CNN (paraphrased and exaggerated for effect.) Huffpo article on the coverage

Truth be told though, I see comments implying justifying rape all over, from the boy in my class who said that Stanley raping Blanche in A Streetcar Named Desire was justified because "she was uppity and needed to be brought down a peg" to the plethora of tweets following the highly publicized Steubenville case Enjoy a level of misogyny ... sadly found everywhere else or the link that the OP already showed Dumb Fucking Whore Registry

Remember Rehtaeh? Remember the harassment after her rape that led to her suicide?