Regarding Rape Culture: Its Presence and Method of Attack

[Saint Jade IV]

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/20 ... f-culture/

http://www.k-state.edu/psych/research/d ... ct3rev.doc

http://theresurgence.com/2011/11/19/7-n ... ts-of-porn

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_brief ... ndex1.html

From your first link:

Lasha Darkmoon’s current TOO article provides case studies illustrating the sexual deviance of some of the main promoters of pornography. The question here is whether the availability of pornography is bad for Whites or, indeed, for any group.

Yeah - I stopped reading there. Looking at the rest of the stuff around the page, I'm finding it hard to believe they are completely unbiased.

On a brief skim, your second link doesn't say what you think it does. In fact, it relates to depictions of sex in the media, and discusses whether the ways in which women are depicted in these portrayals may contribute to wider problems in society. It makes no comment on whether sex in general is damaging.

Your third link is a Christian fundamentalist site, whose agenda is quite clearly against certain kinds of sex. Furthermore, that site discusses the morality of pornography and whether it is damaging, not sex.

Your fourth link relates to the consumption of sex in the media by teenagers, and whether it hastens the onset of sexual activity. Which does not prove that sex in and of itself is moral or immoral, nor whether it's harmful to society.

Try harder.

Tarsonis, please, find me links that prove that sex is inherently bad for society. Not depictions of sex, not pornography. And not links from sites who have a stated moral viewpoint. Objective ones.

Interesting that you didn't bother to respond to this.

[The Republic of Lanos]

http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/94 ... e-comments

Even celebrities participate. Thank you Serena Williams.

[Individuality-ness]

[PETITION]: Apparently someone's using Kickstarter to finance a book on how to sexually assault people. WHAT THE FLYING FUCK!?!
[PETITION]: Also, if you haven't already, this is a petition to get the FBI to acknowledge "forced to penetrate" as rape.

[Edlichbury]

[PETITION]: Apparently someone's using Kickstarter to finance a book on how to sexually assault people. WHAT THE FLYING FUCK!?!
[PETITION]: Also, if you haven't already, this is a petition to get the FBI to acknowledge "forced to penetrate" as rape.

I nearly vomited from that first one. Why would that get any funding?

[Condunum]

[PETITION]: Apparently someone's using Kickstarter to finance a book on how to sexually assault people. WHAT THE FLYING FUCK!?!
[PETITION]: Also, if you haven't already, this is a petition to get the FBI to acknowledge "forced to penetrate" as rape.

I nearly vomited from that first one. Why would that get any funding?

Very, very vindictive MRAs?

[Ostroeuropa]

[PETITION]: Apparently someone's using Kickstarter to finance a book on how to sexually assault people. WHAT THE FLYING FUCK!?!
[PETITION]: Also, if you haven't already, this is a petition to get the FBI to acknowledge "forced to penetrate" as rape.

I nearly vomited from that first one. Why would that get any funding?

Arguing for the devil here, but it could be viewed in one of two ways.

When I was an intelligence officer for one of my regions, they used as evidence in the trial I never got (bastards) that I held regular seminars on how to fabricate evidence for my team.
I argued that it's entirely necessary for them to know this information so that they can recognize when it has occured.
It could be either a parody book, or along the same lines.
By informing people how a successful sexual assault takes place, they can counteract it or deny the opportunity.
In order to do that properly without being inflammatory one either needs to be a parody "I'm a sexual assaulter and heres how I do it, also I totally am not a loser. Stop looking at me like i'm a loser." or something like that, or you need to be very clinical.
"This is how a successful sexual assault unfolds."
Now, sexual assault seems like the sort of crime where this approach probably wouldn't work at all.
But i've occasionally told people "Here is how I would burgle your house."
It's not a lesson on how to be a burglar. It's a lesson to close your windows.

Does this work for sexual assault?
Probably not in my opinion.

The other way to view it is that he's a complete loser who's writing a book encouraging sexual assault.

For the record, a major reason for the suspicion against me in my region was that I openly advocated extending the intel agency into performing offensive operations instead of just being a police force. Fabricating evidence, on the face of it, is a major tool for offensive spy networks in NS.
The reasoning behind teaching them this was actually that they need to know when it's happening and recognize it.
(Admittedly, I was also training them this way in expectation that eventually the force would expand. But that doesn't make it any less justifiable.)

[Individuality-ness]

Using science, we now know why police officers don't believe rape victims and we can use new interview strategies to compensate for this.

[Cenetra]

But i've occasionally told people "Here is how I would burgle your house."
It's not a lesson on how to be a burglar. It's a lesson to close your windows.

Last I checked, burglary trials don't tend to focus on the status of the victim's windows, and there isn't a large section of the populace that believes "It's not burglary if the windows are open."

That's not a good analogy.

[Genivaria]

Using science, we now know why police officers don't believe rape victims and we can use new interview strategies to compensate for this.

I am genuinely disgusted that this is even necessary.
I swear looking into this thread is a great way to ruin my day.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Using science, we now know why police officers don't believe rape victims and we can use new interview strategies to compensate for this.

I am genuinely disgusted that this is even necessary.
I swear looking into this thread is a great way to ruin my day.

Looking at this thread everyday makes me strive to do whatever I can to eradicate this shit.

One day at a time...

[Individuality-ness]

Using science, we now know why police officers don't believe rape victims and we can use new interview strategies to compensate for this.

I am genuinely disgusted that this is even necessary.
I swear looking into this thread is a great way to ruin my day.

Sorry Geni. I guess Hollywood really DOES warp our sense of reality. On the other hand, it's fixable.

[Genivaria]

But i've occasionally told people "Here is how I would burgle your house."
It's not a lesson on how to be a burglar. It's a lesson to close your windows.

Last I checked, burglary trials don't tend to focus on the status of the victim's windows, and there isn't a large section of the populace that believes "It's not burglary if the windows are open."

That's not a good analogy.

He was trying to play devil's advocate for a moment (Good Guy Lucifer would be disgusted by the comparison) but it's hard to even pretend to defend filth like this.
Edit: I'm not ragging on you Ostro I know you wouldn't ever support such filth.

[Ostroeuropa]

But i've occasionally told people "Here is how I would burgle your house."
It's not a lesson on how to be a burglar. It's a lesson to close your windows.

Last I checked, burglary trials don't tend to focus on the status of the victim's windows, and there isn't a large section of the populace that believes "It's not burglary if the windows are open."

That's not a good analogy.

I was referring to the book, and I explicitly said it doesn't work in these cases. I guess you deleted the rest of the post from the quote because then you wouldn't have gotten me to respond to this one, seeing as I can if I like respond to it by just quoting the whole of the original.
You must really like me posting.

[Genivaria]

I am genuinely disgusted that this is even necessary.
I swear looking into this thread is a great way to ruin my day.

Looking at this thread everyday makes me strive to do whatever I can to eradicate this shit.

One day at a time...

I am genuinely disgusted that this is even necessary.
I swear looking into this thread is a great way to ruin my day.

Sorry Geni. I guess Hollywood really DOES warp our sense of reality. On the other hand, it's fixable.

Breath in....Breath out...ok, ya'll are right. It's bad but we can make it right, humans made it this way and humans can fix it.

[Condunum]

Using science, we now know why police officers don't believe rape victims and we can use new interview strategies to compensate for this.

I am genuinely disgusted that this is even necessary.
I swear looking into this thread is a great way to ruin my day.

Why are you disgusted by that? It's an article saying that the current methods used by the police force - ones which are completely useful and very effective for interrogation - have a profound effect on victims of traumatic incidents. It's not saying that they're doing a bad thing, they're doing the right thing in the wrong way.

[Ostroeuropa]

Using science, we now know why police officers don't believe rape victims and we can use new interview strategies to compensate for this.

If I learned this stuff in a basic GSCE level psychology class like, years and years ago, how the fuck did it take the police this long?
It's entirely what you expect for victims to be cold and emotionless. Some break down. Most don't.

It's also, entirely expected that people will absolutely lose their shit and get angry when you accuse them of crimes...
if they are innocent.

Guilty parties are usually trying to "Helpfully" direct the investigation elsewhere.

[Condunum]

Using science, we now know why police officers don't believe rape victims and we can use new interview strategies to compensate for this.

If I learned this stuff in a basic GSCE level psychology class like, years and years ago, how the fuck did it take the police this long?

Because Psych classes aren't required courses like, almost anywhere in America.

[Individuality-ness]

Using science, we now know why police officers don't believe rape victims and we can use new interview strategies to compensate for this.

If I learned this stuff in a basic GSCE level psychology class like, years and years ago, how the fuck did it take the police this long?

Donut bribery. *nod*

[Genivaria]

I am genuinely disgusted that this is even necessary.
I swear looking into this thread is a great way to ruin my day.

Why are you disgusted by that? It's an article saying that the current methods used by the police force - ones which are completely useful and very effective for interrogation - have a profound effect on victims of traumatic incidents. It's not saying that they're doing a bad thing, they're doing the right thing in the wrong way.

No, no. I'm disgusted by the fact that rape victims are so often treated as suspects and aren't believed.
I'm glad that there's a way to fix this but what upsets me is that this is an issue to begin with.

[The Republic of Lanos]

If I learned this stuff in a basic GSCE level psychology class like, years and years ago, how the fuck did it take the police this long?

Donut bribery. *nod*

Run before Trans da polize gets you.

[Genivaria]

Using science, we now know why police officers don't believe rape victims and we can use new interview strategies to compensate for this.

If I learned this stuff in a basic GSCE level psychology class like, years and years ago, how the fuck did it take the police this long?

First thing I thought was 'militarization of law enforcement in action', but then I read that the military has already taken such initiatives.
The fuck Police?

[Ostroeuropa]

If I learned this stuff in a basic GSCE level psychology class like, years and years ago, how the fuck did it take the police this long?

Donut bribery. *nod*

I wish I could get bribed in donuts instead of beer... no wait, I don't.

[Condunum]

Why are you disgusted by that? It's an article saying that the current methods used by the police force - ones which are completely useful and very effective for interrogation - have a profound effect on victims of traumatic incidents. It's not saying that they're doing a bad thing, they're doing the right thing in the wrong way.

No, no. I'm disgusted by the fact that rape victims are so often treated as suspects and aren't believed.
I'm glad that there's a way to fix this but what upsets me is that this is an issue to begin with.

Here's the thing: That's the only way they're taught how to treat them. According to the article, police officers are taught to focus on events and timeline. That's not really a possibility for rape victims, and it's not their fault for not knowing that. It's something that must be changed, but don't demonize the ignorant.

[Individuality-ness]

Donut bribery. *nod*

Run before Trans da polize gets you.

If I learned this stuff in a basic GSCE level psychology class like, years and years ago, how the fuck did it take the police this long?

Because Psych classes aren't required courses like, almost anywhere in America.

Also true. I'm teaching myself a little bit of Psych because it's not a required course.

[Genivaria]

No, no. I'm disgusted by the fact that rape victims are so often treated as suspects and aren't believed.
I'm glad that there's a way to fix this but what upsets me is that this is an issue to begin with.

Here's the thing: That's the only way they're taught how to treat them. According to the article, police officers are taught to focus on events and timeline. That's not really a possibility for rape victims, and it's not their fault for not knowing that. It's something that must be changed, but don't demonize the ignorant.

*sigh* Very well, still pisses me off though.