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Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:23 pm**

Thafoo wrote:
The Sector Union wrote:The funny part is that Darwin is a prophet.

Define what a prophet is in this case, please. Are you just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks?

"In religion, a prophet is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and to speak for them"

For some reason, everyone ties the word prophet as an individual who had divine contact. Therefore, mainstream christianity. At a secular level, a prophet could be anyone who carries valuable information that people look up to. In this case, many atheists refer to Darwin as a back-up to their atheist ideals.

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:23 pm**

The Sector Union wrote:
Thafoo wrote:The funny part is Darwin once existed.

The funny part is that Darwin is a prophet.

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:23 pm**

Avenio wrote:There is only one reasonable response to this thread.

Especially the "may God have mercy on your soul" bit.

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:24 pm**

The Sector Union wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:What the fuck did I just read.

We know you hate atheism, but seriously... and whoever made the image can at least learn to spell it right.

If I genuinely hated atheism, I would spout off a lot of incoherent responses

I think you are doing that. "Darwin is a prophet." "Science will become a religion."

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:24 pm**

Zweite Alaje wrote:WTF is this shit? Atheists have good reason to be loyal to science, it makes sense. Hell, I'm a theist and I love science.

Loyalty to science is good. Don't over-preach it, it's unhealthy for the human mind.

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:24 pm**

Aha. I think some one is conflating Atheism with science. Atheists can have blind faith in something that isn't god, you can'y specify what that is from the word atheist but believe me atheism does not mean "Faith in science" Atheists don't even have to be rational the only requirement is not believing in God.

Now onto you "blind faith in science" part Science and more specifically the scientific method is used by scientist as a means of rationally deciding on what is most likely to be a fact. Any currently held peer reviewed scientific theory that is accepted by the scientific community (by which is meant experts in that field generally) is the most likely explanation from the data gathered. This is why people use science and scientific method as a means for discerning the truth of a matter, just because you don't understand the methods used or the data gathered does not make them as faith based as you seem to imply. It is simply a method for finding the thing that is most likely the truth. Also the fact that we call them theories and not facts does not make them as fallible as if I were to say "well I have a theory that some where between earth and the moon there is a floating teapot" because we have empirical evidence for scientific theories. The more evidence is collected in favor the more the theory is likely to be correct. And that is the basis of scientific understanding, not faith, but evidence based reasoning and peer review.

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:25 pm**

The Sector Union wrote:
Thafoo wrote:Define what a prophet is in this case, please. Are you just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks?

"In religion, a prophet is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and to speak for them"

For some reason, everyone ties the word prophet as an individual who had divine contact. Therefore, mainstream christianity. At a secular level, a prophet could be anyone who carries valuable information that people look up to. In this case, many atheists refer to Darwin as a back-up to their atheist ideals.

Atheists don't believe in prophets. Nobody can carry absolute truth. Scientific theories can't actually be proven. Simply supported. Science doesn't claim or aim to prove everything.

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:25 pm**

The Sector Union wrote:
Thafoo wrote:Define what a prophet is in this case, please. Are you just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks?

"In religion, a prophet is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and to speak for them"

Then obviously that would not include Darwin, for he based his conclusions on empirical evidence, not divine inspiration.

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:25 pm**

The Sector Union wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:WTF is this shit? Atheists have good reason to be loyal to science, it makes sense. Hell, I'm a theist and I love science.

Loyalty to science is good. Don't over-preach it, it's unhealthy for the human mind.

How is "too much science" unhealthy?

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:25 pm**

The Sector Union wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:What the fuck did I just read.

We know you hate atheism, but seriously... and whoever made the image can at least learn to spell it right.

If I genuinely hated atheism, I would spout off a lot of incoherent responses that would make your ears bleed and you would get a splitting headache. I came here, gave out my honest opinions of where atheism is at in this universe and there you have it.

and please, I have atheist friends who I see are normal people like I am. It's not an attack, it's an understanding of who we are.

Your OP is incomprehensible. Does that count?

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:25 pm**

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
The Sector Union wrote:If I genuinely hated atheism, I would spout off a lot of incoherent responses that would make your ears bleed and you would get a splitting headache. I came here, gave out my honest opinions of where atheism is at in this universe and there you have it.

and please, I have atheist friends who I see are normal people like I am. It's not an attack, it's an understanding of who we are.

Your OP is incomprehensible. Does that count?

This is actually relatively tame compared to some of his OPs from last week.

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:26 pm**

The Sector Union wrote:
Thafoo wrote:Define what a prophet is in this case, please. Are you just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks?

"In religion, a prophet is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and to speak for them"

For some reason, everyone ties the word prophet as an individual who had divine contact. Therefore, mainstream christianity. At a secular level, a prophet could be anyone who carries valuable information that people look up to. In this case, many atheists refer to Darwin as a back-up to their atheist ideals.

what the fuck did i just read

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:26 pm**

Geilinor wrote:
The Sector Union wrote:If I genuinely hated atheism, I would spout off a lot of incoherent responses

I think you are doing that. "Darwin is a prophet." "Science will become a religion."

But,

There is one thing by simply saying those and backing them up. I already explained the whole thing again. I know the belief system in your head is making you cranky.

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:26 pm**

I'm Mormon and what is this?

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:26 pm**

Regnum Dominae wrote:
The Sector Union wrote:
Loyalty to science is good. Don't over-preach it, it's unhealthy for the human mind.

How is "too much science" unhealthy?

it usually ends up like drunk science

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:27 pm**

I swear my first thought from your title was "Oh this is gonna be good."

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:27 pm**

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Your OP is incomprehensible. Does that count?

This is actually relatively tame compared to some of his OPs from last week.

Then what is the problem Regnum? You've been saying "What the fuck" over and over. Talk to me if you're stressed.

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:27 pm**

Constaniana wrote:I'm Mormon and what is this?

It is whats called when heat builds up in ones brain causing them to sweat madness.

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:27 pm**

The Sector Union wrote:
Geilinor wrote:I think you are doing that. "Darwin is a prophet." "Science will become a religion."

But,

There is one thing by simply saying those and backing them up. I already explained the whole thing again. I know the belief system in your head is making you cranky.

I don't believe you've sufficiently backed your statements up. Again, science doesn't claim or aim to know absolute truth. We have never said that, but you interpret it that way.

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:28 pm**

The Sector Union wrote:
Geilinor wrote:I think you are doing that. "Darwin is a prophet." "Science will become a religion."

But,

There is one thing by simply saying those and backing them up. I already explained the whole thing again. I know the belief system in your head is making you cranky.

...you never explained it and you're spouting off more bullshit than a hose of male bovine excerment...

The voices in your head are making you confused. Congratulations, you're a fekking prophet. Want a medal?

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:28 pm**

Regnum Dominae wrote:
The Sector Union wrote:
Loyalty to science is good. Don't over-preach it, it's unhealthy for the human mind.

How is "too much science" unhealthy?

Too much science is not unhealthy. Obsession is.

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:28 pm**

Genivaria wrote:I swear my first thought from your title was "Oh this is gonna be good."

That eager black guy with the folding chair was dancing across my mind.

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:29 pm**

The Sector Union wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:This is actually relatively tame compared to some of his OPs from last week.

Then what is the problem Regnum? You've been saying "What the fuck" over and over. Talk to me if you're stressed.

What are you, my therapist?

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:29 pm**

Geilinor wrote:
The Sector Union wrote:But,

There is one thing by simply saying those and backing them up. I already explained the whole thing again. I know the belief system in your head is making you cranky.

I don't believe you've sufficiently backed your statements up. Again, science doesn't claim or aim to know absolute truth. We have never said that, but you interpret it that way.

Well I'm going to give you props for actually saying "science doesn't claim or aim to know absolute truth" because in my opinion, a significant population of atheist individuals behave in such a way.

Posted: **Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:29 pm**

Regnum Dominae wrote:
The Sector Union wrote:Then what is the problem Regnum? You've been saying "What the fuck" over and over. Talk to me if you're stressed.

What are you, my therapist?

No he is roast flambe.

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