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Postby Thafoo » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:54 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Including all the children. God is a baby killer.

How do you know there were children? As I said, the evil people could have held a revulsion for children.

Of course there were children back then. Without reproduction there would be no people. Isn't that a familiar anti-gay argument to you?

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Postby Ganos Lao » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:54 pm

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How were they not punished?

Who said death is a punishment?

Maybe it is their life that would have been the punishment?


So child abuse victims should just be killed rather then trying to give them a chance to get out of their crappy lives?



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Postby Nidaria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:54 pm

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Nidaria wrote:Just because someone made an incorrect drawing does not mean that actually occurred.


But how do you know it never occured? Were you there?

How do you know it actually occurred? Burden of proof is on you.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:54 pm

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So Noah brought all the babies onboard with him?

As I stated, contraception could have been practiced, with the result that no babies were born. That segment of humanity would have died out anyway.


In which case, what was the point of flooding people if their kind would just die out anyway?

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:55 pm

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Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Unless God transcends the moral boundaries he himself set out, and also the general morality of humanity, what he did was unjust, unnecessary and inexplicably evil.

Prove that it was so.

I don't need proof that genocide is immoral. If, in your view of morality, genocide is moral, you might be close to being on par with those atheist tyrants you detest so much.
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Postby Nidaria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:55 pm

Thafoo wrote:
Nidaria wrote:How do you know there were children? As I said, the evil people could have held a revulsion for children.

Of course there were children back then. Without reproduction there would be no people. Isn't that a familiar anti-gay argument to you?

Within a generation contraception could have so "caught on" that no children would be born.
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Postby Gideona » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:55 pm

:lol2:
Divair wrote:
Gideona wrote:Under god, where do you think that came from?! well,it should have outlawed aestheism

Do you even English?
i dont do English :twisted:
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:55 pm

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Genivaria wrote:At this point your just making **** up, not surprising.

Claiming that children drowned too is making stuff up too. I am presenting a logical explanation that is compatible with Scripture.

Actually no it's not, if we go along with the scenario that the entire world drowned and only a single family was spared then it's safe to assume that children were drowned as well.
But please continue lying to yourself, it amuses me.
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Postby Menassa » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:56 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
Menassa wrote:Who said death is a punishment?

Maybe it is their life that would have been the punishment?


So child abuse victims should just be killed rather then trying to give them a chance to get out of their crappy lives?

No, you can't apply a general to every situation.

Who is being punished by the death of the little child... the child? The child probably felt no pain at all... and who knows that soul may live on to lead a more fulfilling life.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:56 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Unless God transcends the moral boundaries he himself set out, and also the general morality of humanity, what he did was unjust, unnecessary and inexplicably evil.


And your flawed paradigm, You are putting humanity on the level with God. You are taking the morals he put on humanity, and attempting to put those back on him. The creation does not rise to the level of the Creator, from God's perspective smiting an entire city, is no more immoral for him, than it is for you to jump on an anthill.

So genocide is moral from God's perspective?
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Postby Nidaria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:56 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Nidaria wrote:As I stated, contraception could have been practiced, with the result that no babies were born. That segment of humanity would have died out anyway.


In which case, what was the point of flooding people if their kind would just die out anyway?

God wanted to start over. He wanted nothing to be left from such an immoral civilization.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:56 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Nidaria wrote:As I stated, contraception could have been practiced, with the result that no babies were born. That segment of humanity would have died out anyway.


In which case, what was the point of flooding people if their kind would just die out anyway?

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:56 pm

Nidaria wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
In which case, what was the point of flooding people if their kind would just die out anyway?

God wanted to start over. He wanted nothing to be left from such an immoral civilization.

There's a word for that, Genocide.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:57 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Genivaria wrote:At this point your just making **** up, not surprising.

Claiming that children drowned too is making stuff up too. I am presenting a logical explanation that is compatible with Scripture.


There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

So, naturally, we can infer that there were children born. Noah had children. So why would the others not have children. Therefore, when the flood happened, children drowned too.

And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Children's nostrils had the breath of life, right? Therefore, they all died.



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Postby Thafoo » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:57 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Thafoo wrote:Of course there were children back then. Without reproduction there would be no people. Isn't that a familiar anti-gay argument to you?

Within a generation contraception could have so "caught on" that no children would be born.

There was children. There are always children.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:57 pm

Menassa wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
So child abuse victims should just be killed rather then trying to give them a chance to get out of their crappy lives?

No, you can't apply a general to every situation.

Who is being punished by the death of the little child... the child? The child probably felt no pain at all... and who knows that soul may live on to lead a more fulfilling life.


Until the water ended up flooding his lungs and drowning him.

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Postby Nidaria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:57 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
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And your flawed paradigm, You are putting humanity on the level with God. You are taking the morals he put on humanity, and attempting to put those back on him. The creation does not rise to the level of the Creator, from God's perspective smiting an entire city, is no more immoral for him, than it is for you to jump on an anthill.

So genocide is moral from God's perspective?

Not genocide, but punishment. They were evil and deserved to be destroyed.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:58 pm

Menassa wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
So child abuse victims should just be killed rather then trying to give them a chance to get out of their crappy lives?

No, you can't apply a general to every situation.

Who is being punished by the death of the little child... the child? The child probably felt no pain at all... and who knows that soul may live on to lead a more fulfilling life.


How would a soul live on to lead a more fulfilling life, exactly?
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:58 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:So genocide is moral from God's perspective?

Not genocide, but punishment. They were evil and deserved to be destroyed.

Said the Nazis about the Jews.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:58 pm

Nidaria, seriously stop, you are making indefensible arguments. Saying God is a baby killer, is a misnomer. If you are Going to assume the position that God is real, and destroyed the world with a flood you must also assume the position that this life is but temporary and the eternal life afterwards does exist. Children are considered innocent in God's eyes until they come of age, which by Jewish tradition is 13. All Children under the age of 13 would have gone to Heaven, paradise. So yeah, he killed children, but in the constraints of the Religion, death is not a bad thing, for the kids anyway.

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Postby Churchithania » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:58 pm

One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.(Pledge of elegance) In the name of God Amen. (first words of the Mayflower Compact) "-We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal that they endowed by their Creator..." (declaration of independence)

America was founded on Christianity and their is proof of it
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Postby Nidaria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:58 pm

Thafoo wrote:
Nidaria wrote:Within a generation contraception could have so "caught on" that no children would be born.

There was children. There are always children.

Why would there be?
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Postby Ganos Lao » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:58 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:So genocide is moral from God's perspective?

Not genocide, but punishment. They were evil and deserved to be destroyed.


So how were the children evil?



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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:58 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:So genocide is moral from God's perspective?

Not genocide, but punishment. They were evil and deserved to be destroyed.

It's genocide for whatever reason it was committed.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:59 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Thafoo wrote:There was children. There are always children.

Why would there be?


You don't think that the populating of the Earth before the flood wasn't done by any other means other than sexual intercourse as we know it, do you?



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