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Ganos Lao
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Postby Ganos Lao » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:38 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:There are easier ways for an omnipotent God to remove evil than slaughtering millions.


Like how?


Remember the criticisms of the ME3 ending?

"Why don't the Reapers just kill the evil synthetics and leave organics alone?"

The same is probably to be said here.

"Why not just deal with the people who are evil and leave the innocents alone?"



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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:38 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Thafoo wrote:

Even all the newborns were evil?quote]
You sure there were newborns? The whole population could very well have practiced contraception.

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:38 pm

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Nationalist State of Knox wrote:There are easier ways for an omnipotent God to remove evil than slaughtering millions.


Like how?

He's all-powerful, anything is possible. I don't even need to list alternatives.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:38 pm

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Nidaria wrote:It was best for humanity to eliminate evil. Since everyone but Noah and his family were irrevocably evil, the future of humanity would be bleak unless the evil was destroyed.

Even all the newborns were evil? God sounds like a dick.


I remember in Bible school, our Sunday school teacher would sometimes show us artwork when she told us a particular story. There was one picture with the Ark sailing away, and in the water, there was hand holding a baby up over the water.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:39 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Nidaria wrote:It was best for humanity to eliminate evil. Since everyone but Noah and his family were irrevocably evil, the future of humanity would be bleak unless the evil was destroyed.

So children are 'irrevocably evil'? :eyebrow:
This is why your morality fails.



Nidea is arguing that wrong. God want's whats best for everyone, but understands what's best for Humanity as a whole, may have to trump that. Kind of like Doctors, doing triage.
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Postby Nidaria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:39 pm

Shaggai wrote:
Nidaria wrote:The Church never condoned that, but rather has held that murder is immoral.

Pope Urban wrote:I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ's heralds to publish this everywhere and to pers­e all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it is meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it

Pope Urban wrote:Accordingly undertake this journey for the remission of your sins, with the assurance of the imperishable glory of the Kingdom of Heaven.


Is that not condoning it?

That was warfare against the Moslems to take back the Holy Land. Murder was never advocated, and though regrettable events did occur during the Crusades, those were condemned.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:40 pm

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You want to get rid of a race, you can't leave the children lying around. Not justifying it, just stating the facts.

Dude, he killed everyone he could.


Originally he planned on shipping them to Madagascar but the Allies got in the way.
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Postby Thafoo » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:40 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Thafoo wrote:Even all the newborns were evil? God sounds like a dick.


I remember in Bible school, our Sunday school teacher would sometimes show us artwork when she told us a particular story. There was one picture with the Ark sailing away, and in the water, there was hand holding a baby up over the water.

I saw that one. Which makes God (if he were real) a megadick. You hear that God? Open a hole under my chair! Send me into the bowels of hell! YOU ARE A DICK, GOD! *gives the air the finger*


...


I don't feel like I am being cast into Hell...
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:41 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So children are 'irrevocably evil'? :eyebrow:
This is why your morality fails.



Nidea is arguing that wrong. God want's whats best for everyone, but understands what's best for Humanity as a whole, may have to trump that. Kind of like Doctors, doing triage.

Human doctors aren't omnipotent.
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Postby Divair » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:41 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Thafoo wrote:Dude, he killed everyone he could.


Originally he planned on shipping them to Madagascar but the Allies got in the way.

No, he didn't.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:42 pm

Thafoo wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
I remember in Bible school, our Sunday school teacher would sometimes show us artwork when she told us a particular story. There was one picture with the Ark sailing away, and in the water, there was hand holding a baby up over the water.

I saw that one. Which makes God (if he were real) a megadick. You hear that God? Open a hole under my chair! Send me into the bowels of hell! YOU ARE A DICK, GOD! *gives the air the finger*


...


I don't feel like I am being cast into Hell...


Who draws sh*t like that?
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:43 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Like how?

He's all-powerful, anything is possible. I don't even need to list alternatives.



And the flawed perspective I noted before, Who are you to tell God what to do?
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Postby Shaggai » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:43 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Shaggai wrote:


Is that not condoning it?

That was warfare against the Moslems to take back the Holy Land. Murder was never advocated, and though regrettable events did occur during the Crusades, those were condemned.

Hmmm... Let's see...

GOD wrote:Thou shalt not kill.

Jesus wrote:Love thine enemies.

Jesus wrote:Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.

Jesus wrote:But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment.
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Postby Blekksprutia » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:43 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Thafoo wrote:Dude, he killed everyone he could.


Originally he planned on shipping them to Madagascar but the Allies got in the way.

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Postby Earth Empire » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:44 pm

Conspiracy theory, the founding founders=Free Masons=illuminati!
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Postby Gideona » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:44 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Thafoo wrote:Dude, he killed everyone he could.


Originally he planned on shipping them to Madagascar but the Allies got in the way.

Under god, where do you think that came from?! well,it should have outlawed aestheism
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:44 pm

Thafoo wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
I remember in Bible school, our Sunday school teacher would sometimes show us artwork when she told us a particular story. There was one picture with the Ark sailing away, and in the water, there was hand holding a baby up over the water.

I saw that one. Which makes God (if he were real) a megadick. You hear that God? Open a hole under my chair! Send me into the bowels of hell! YOU ARE A DICK, GOD! *gives the air the finger*


...


I don't feel like I am being cast into Hell...

To quote Frieza from DBZ Abridged.
Freeza: "Let God strike me down where I stand, *gets zapped by lightning* Ha! Nice try, jackass. Next time, give it your A-game."
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Postby Thafoo » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:44 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Thafoo wrote:I saw that one. Which makes God (if he were real) a megadick. You hear that God? Open a hole under my chair! Send me into the bowels of hell! YOU ARE A DICK, GOD! *gives the air the finger*


...


I don't feel like I am being cast into Hell...


Who draws sh*t like that?

Well, according to the Bible, God did shit like that...
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:44 pm

Divair wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Originally he planned on shipping them to Madagascar but the Allies got in the way.

No, he didn't.


Uh, yeah, he did,
http://history1900s.about.com/od/holoca ... arplan.htm
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Postby Divair » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:44 pm

Gideona wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Originally he planned on shipping them to Madagascar but the Allies got in the way.

Under god, where do you think that came from?! well,it should have outlawed aestheism

Do you even English?
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Postby Thafoo » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:45 pm

Gideona wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Originally he planned on shipping them to Madagascar but the Allies got in the way.

Under god, where do you think that came from?! well,it should have outlawed aestheism

...What?
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Postby Thafoo » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:45 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Divair wrote:No, he didn't.


Uh, yeah, he did,
http://history1900s.about.com/od/holoca ... arplan.htm

You didn't even read that, did you?
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Postby Blekksprutia » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:45 pm

Thafoo wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Who draws sh*t like that?

Well, according to the Bible, God did shit like that...

Did he club baby seals with his golf buddies Marquis de Sade and Alex Jones as well?
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Postby Divair » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:46 pm


Have you not studied Hitler's book? Do you really think he just decided "Oh, well, Jews are okay now, they just need to be moved". No. The plan was always to kill them, at one point or another. The Madagascar Plan was simply a proposal.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:46 pm

Divair wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Originally he planned on shipping them to Madagascar but the Allies got in the way.

No, he didn't.


The irony is that the Nazis weren't even the first to suggest it. There were proposals for it as early as 1885.



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