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Nationalist State of Knox
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:22 pm

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Nationalist State of Knox wrote:They did, and it's the same false interpretation that every other Christian receives. The real Bible isn't as positive as the Church would have you think.

The Church is technically infallible, so I can trust that they are the ones who are correct.

Unless you're Protestant, of course.

Still, it's hard to provide a pleasant interpretation to some of the stuff in there.
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Postby Nidaria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:22 pm

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Nidaria wrote:From left-wing, secularist sites. :roll: People make up studies to support their political position. I am not the one who is lying.

Four different sites including 1 psychology and 3 news sites are all dismissed as 'left-wing, secularist sites'.
I see you choose lying then.

The LA Times, NBC, and the NY Times are notoriously left-leaning. Not so sure about Psychology Today, but all it takes is one person to write a propaganda piece.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:23 pm

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Shaggai wrote:Yeah, I'm okay with belief in a lot of stuff, just less basing morality on that. If you want to believe in hell, I'm not going to dictate your beliefs. But if you're basing your morality on "I don't want to go to hell" instead of "hey, this is good for most people" there's a problem.

Pragmatist or utilitarian morality is not morality at all. What is moral is good for everyone.

There's no such thing as 'good for everyone' that's just naive.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:23 pm

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Shaggai wrote:Yeah, I'm okay with belief in a lot of stuff, just less basing morality on that. If you want to believe in hell, I'm not going to dictate your beliefs. But if you're basing your morality on "I don't want to go to hell" instead of "hey, this is good for most people" there's a problem.

Pragmatist or utilitarian morality is not morality at all. What is moral is good for everyone.


So what is morality to you? Roman Catholic morality? Which sort? Pre or Post Vatican II? Do you believe the principle of Ecclesiam nulla salus? What do you think of other Christian denominations?



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Postby Divair » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:23 pm

Genivaria wrote:not worth listening to.

And yet, everyone continues to reply to him. There's an ignore list, people. Use it.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:23 pm

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The Grey Wolf wrote:
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No need to resort to picspamming an overused quote from a great movie.


Did you just question why Hitler would be going to an, albeit nonexistent, place for bad people?


Sorry. The temptation to use that me me was too much. I'll control myself next time.
But yeah, that was my question.

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Postby Thafoo » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:23 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Four different sites including 1 psychology and 3 news sites are all dismissed as 'left-wing, secularist sites'.
I see you choose lying then.

The LA Times, NBC, and the NY Times are notoriously left-leaning. Not so sure about Psychology Today, but all it takes is one person to write a propaganda piece.

You say that like they're Juche or something.

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:23 pm

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Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Meh, I still have to get excommunicated I suppose.

Do they even still do those?

I have to commit heresy or assault the Pope.

And I'm not visiting Vatican City for another few months.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:23 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Nidaria wrote:The Church is technically infallible, so I can trust that they are the ones who are correct.

Unless you're Protestant, of course.

Still, it's hard to provide a pleasant interpretation to some of the stuff in there.


Or Orthodox. I mean, those guys just couldn't accept the primacy of the Pope. How dare they!



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Postby Thafoo » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:24 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Thafoo wrote:No need to resort to picspamming an overused quote from a great movie.


Did you just question why Hitler would be going to an, albeit nonexistent, place for bad people?


Sorry. The temptation to use that me me was too much. I'll control myself next time.
But yeah, that was my question.

...Because he was an evil man who co-ordinated a mass genocide?

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:24 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Meh, I still have to get excommunicated I suppose.


I did send you a list of potential heresies to commit against the Holy Church. Use them.

They weren't up to scratch, frankly.
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Postby Divair » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:25 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Divair wrote:Do they even still do those?

I have to commit heresy or assault the Pope.

And I'm not visiting Vatican City for another few months.

So, wait, doesn't leaving the church automatically excommunicate you for heresy?

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:25 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Four different sites including 1 psychology and 3 news sites are all dismissed as 'left-wing, secularist sites'.
I see you choose lying then.

The LA Times, NBC, and the NY Times 1. are notoriously left-leaning. Not so sure about Psychology Today, but all it takes is one person to write a propaganda piece.

1. Hardly. Disagreeing with your views doesn't make one left-wing.
2. The fact that you dismiss scientific studies as 'propaganda' puts you in the came category as Nippon. Congratulations.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:25 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Why is Hitler going to hell?


Because he is a bad, bad man, of course. That's what hell is traditionally seen as, after all, a home for people like that.

Now in Christian circles, a guy like Hitler could easily get into Heaven if he just accepted Christ into his life, but not only does that cause controversy among people, seeing how people may find it grossly improper to see a guy like that up there, but how he accepts Christ is another issue, because we all know so many denominations of Christianity exist.....



Eh, he committed suicide which is widely regarded as an unforgivable sin. And we could try to trace that back logically to denote that Suicide = Blasphemy. (though doing so would raise so many philisophical questions)

But even, if he did accept Christ (which he didn't) and Hadn't committed Suicide (which he did), he'd have to repent his whole genocidal fuckhead agenda (which he wouldn't).

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:25 pm

Thafoo wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Sorry. The temptation to use that me me was too much. I'll control myself next time.
But yeah, that was my question.

...Because he was an evil man who co-ordinated a mass genocide?


Meh, I've heard of worse.

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:25 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Unless you're Protestant, of course.

Still, it's hard to provide a pleasant interpretation to some of the stuff in there.


Or Orthodox. I mean, those guys just couldn't accept the primacy of the Pope. How dare they!

I'm fairly certain the Orthodox believe the Church is infallible as well.
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Postby Shaggai » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:26 pm

Nidaria wrote:Pragmatist or utilitarian morality is not morality at all. What is moral is good for everyone.

Nidaria wrote:What is moral is good for everyone.

Nidaria wrote:What is moral is good for everyone.

Nidaria wrote:What is moral is good for everyone.

THAT"S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING! What is moral is what is good for everyone, or the most people if it can't be good for everyone. But religion-based morality is "what is moral is what God said, no matter who it is good or bad for." See?
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Postby Thafoo » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:26 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Thafoo wrote:...Because he was an evil man who co-ordinated a mass genocide?


Meh, I've heard of worse.

...Really?!

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Postby Ganos Lao » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:27 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
Or Orthodox. I mean, those guys just couldn't accept the primacy of the Pope. How dare they!

I'm fairly certain the Orthodox believe the Church is infallible as well.


Oh, but you see, they don't believe the Roman Catholic Church, the one true Church, is infallible. That simply can't do.



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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:27 pm

Divair wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:I have to commit heresy or assault the Pope.

And I'm not visiting Vatican City for another few months.

So, wait, doesn't leaving the church automatically excommunicate you for heresy?

Nah, that isn't strong enough.

I'm planning on confessing to Paganism.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:27 pm

Thafoo wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Meh, I've heard of worse.

...Really?!


Yeah, really.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:27 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
Or Orthodox. I mean, those guys just couldn't accept the primacy of the Pope. How dare they!

I'm fairly certain the Orthodox believe the Church is infallible as well.



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Postby Divair » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:27 pm

Thafoo wrote:
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Meh, I've heard of worse.

...Really?!

Yes. Someone who coordinated two mass genocides.

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Postby Nidaria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:27 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
Nidaria wrote:Pragmatist or utilitarian morality is not morality at all. What is moral is good for everyone.


So what is morality to you? Roman Catholic morality? Which sort? Pre or Post Vatican II? Do you believe the principle of Ecclesiam nulla salus? What do you think of other Christian denominations?

The Roman Catholic Church is the primary moral teacher in the world. Its morality is the same across all eras, because morality does not change. Yes, I believe in it, but there are "life-ropes" that can allow a non-Catholic to find enlightenment. Other Christian denominations can be correct to various degrees, but all are invariably incorrect.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:27 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Thafoo wrote:...Because he was an evil man who co-ordinated a mass genocide?


Meh, I've heard of worse.

Like God?
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