The United States was NOT founded on Christianity

[Nationalist State of Knox]

I can confirm this from my own experience. Nothing beats thirteen years of Catholicism out of you like reading the Bible.

Someone probably taught you a false interpretation of the Bible.

They did, and it's the same false interpretation that every other Christian receives. The real Bible isn't as positive as the Church would have you think.

[Thafoo]

One arrogant atheist does not speak for all atheists.

Just as one fundamentalist does not speak for all religious people.

People are too quick to commit such fallacies at times.

I agree. I have plenty of socially progressive Christian friends.

[Ganos Lao]

The same can be said of Hell. People traditionally ascribe hell, or at least something similar to it, as the inevitable dwelling place of the bad people in the world. Your Albert Fishes, your Adolf Hitlers, your Saddam Husseins, etc, etc. Remember the Amanda Berry story recently? When you look at the guy who did that crap to her and the other girls, you'd see people saying, damn, he's gonna fry in hell, right? The idea that such people would escape such a fate because there is no hell at all....well, that too is an unpleasant thought. What I'm saying is that, in the interest of fairness, a lot of people throughout time have clung to this stuff because it makes them happy, it makes them comfortable. Now we can tell them that they're dumbasses who can't see reason, but as long as they're not bothering people with it, who really cares what they think?

Why is Hitler going to hell?

Because he is a bad, bad man, of course. That's what hell is traditionally seen as, after all, a home for people like that.

Now in Christian circles, a guy like Hitler could easily get into Heaven if he just accepted Christ into his life, but not only does that cause controversy among people, seeing how people may find it grossly improper to see a guy like that up there, but how he accepts Christ is another issue, because we all know so many denominations of Christianity exist.....

[Nidaria]

Demonstrably false. Studying religion is the main cause of ex-atheists. If what you claimed was true, then ecclesiastics would be atheists.

Wrong.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/28 ... y-20100928
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/enl ... t-religion
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39397251/ns/u ... -religion/
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/us/28 ... .html?_r=0

Would you like to retract your statement or continue lying?

From left-wing, secularist sites. People make up studies to support their political position. I am not the one who is lying.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

my computer is being weird. I can't see all my posts....

[St James]

I'm pretty sick of when someone says that the US was a nation founded on the Christian religion

people actually think it was?

It may be this tiny little thing called the dollar

[Shaggai]

Yeah, that's true. That sort of thing is the main reason why I'm mostly not opposed to religion. Believing in heaven isn't selfish; basing your morals on what will get you to heaven is selfish. If human sacrifice would get you to heaven, would you do it? I dislike religion-based morality because it's so arbitrary. If the church or bible or whatever teaches something, it is good, no matter what they teach?

The same can be said of Hell. People traditionally ascribe hell, or at least something similar to it, as the inevitable dwelling place of the bad people in the world. Your Albert Fishes, your Adolf Hitlers, your Saddam Husseins, etc, etc. Remember the Amanda Berry story recently? When you look at the guy who did that crap to her and the other girls, you'd see people saying, damn, he's gonna fry in hell, right? The idea that such people would escape such a fate because there is no hell at all....well, that too is an unpleasant thought. What I'm saying is that, in the interest of fairness, a lot of people throughout time have clung to this stuff because it makes them happy, it makes them comfortable. Now we can tell them that they're dumbasses who can't see reason, but as long as they're not bothering people with it, who really cares what they think?

Yeah, I'm okay with belief in a lot of stuff, just less basing morality on that. If you want to believe in hell, I'm not going to dictate your beliefs. But if you're basing your morality on "I don't want to go to hell" instead of "hey, this is good for most people" there's a problem.

[The Grey Wolf]

Why is Hitler going to hell?

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What?!

[Nationalist State of Knox]

It's far more liberating this way.

What, to leave a religion? I dunno, I feel pretty free being irreligious from birth.

Meh, I still have to get excommunicated I suppose.

[Thafoo]

Why is Hitler going to hell?

Because he is a bad, bad man, of course.

Reminded me of this.

[Nidaria]

Someone probably taught you a false interpretation of the Bible.

They did, and it's the same false interpretation that every other Christian receives. The real Bible isn't as positive as the Church would have you think.

The Church is technically infallible, so I can trust that they are the ones who are correct.

[Divair]

What, to leave a religion? I dunno, I feel pretty free being irreligious from birth.

Meh, I still have to get excommunicated I suppose.

Do they even still do those?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Wrong.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/28 ... y-20100928
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/enl ... t-religion
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39397251/ns/u ... -religion/
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/us/28 ... .html?_r=0

Would you like to retract your statement or continue lying?

From left-wing, secularist sites. People make up studies to support their political position. I am not the one who is lying.

Do you believe that every study that disagrees with your worldview is made up?

[The Grey Wolf]

Why is Hitler going to hell?

Because he is a bad, bad man, of course. That's what hell is traditionally seen as, after all, a home for people like that.

Now in Christian circles, a guy like Hitler could easily get into Heaven if he just accepted Christ into his life, but not only does that cause controversy among people, seeing how people may find it grossly improper to see a guy like that up there, but how he accepts Christ is another issue, because we all know so many denominations of Christianity exist.....

Wasn't he a Christian who hated the atheist? (No sarcasm.)

[Nationalist State of Knox]

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What?!

Yes.

However, I don't speak pointless picspam.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

What, to leave a religion? I dunno, I feel pretty free being irreligious from birth.

Meh, I still have to get excommunicated I suppose.

I did send you a list of potential heresies to commit against the Holy Church. Use them.

[Divair]

From left-wing, secularist sites. People make up studies to support their political position. I am not the one who is lying.

Do you believe that every study that disagrees with your worldview is made up?

Of course he does. He's already admitted that anything that doesn't seem "logical" to him is false and everyone can go fuck themselves if they think otherwise.

[Thafoo]

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What?!

No need to resort to picspamming an overused quote from a great movie.


Did you just question why Hitler would be going to an, albeit nonexistent, place for bad people?

[Haydenish People]

Which ones in particular? or are you one of those guys who hates religion just for the sake of hating religion?

I hate religion because it causes war and is just stupid.

Excellent reasons. It's almost like having a debate with a ten-year-old.

[Genivaria]

Wrong.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/28 ... y-20100928
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/enl ... t-religion
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39397251/ns/u ... -religion/
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/us/28 ... .html?_r=0

Would you like to retract your statement or continue lying?

From left-wing, secularist sites. People make up studies to support their political position. I am not the one who is lying.

Four different sites including 1 psychology and 3 news sites are all dismissed as 'left-wing, secularist sites'.
I see you choose lying then.

[Nidaria]

The same can be said of Hell. People traditionally ascribe hell, or at least something similar to it, as the inevitable dwelling place of the bad people in the world. Your Albert Fishes, your Adolf Hitlers, your Saddam Husseins, etc, etc. Remember the Amanda Berry story recently? When you look at the guy who did that crap to her and the other girls, you'd see people saying, damn, he's gonna fry in hell, right? The idea that such people would escape such a fate because there is no hell at all....well, that too is an unpleasant thought. What I'm saying is that, in the interest of fairness, a lot of people throughout time have clung to this stuff because it makes them happy, it makes them comfortable. Now we can tell them that they're dumbasses who can't see reason, but as long as they're not bothering people with it, who really cares what they think?

Yeah, I'm okay with belief in a lot of stuff, just less basing morality on that. If you want to believe in hell, I'm not going to dictate your beliefs. But if you're basing your morality on "I don't want to go to hell" instead of "hey, this is good for most people" there's a problem.

Pragmatist or utilitarian morality is not morality at all. What is moral is good for everyone.

[The Grey Wolf]

Meh, I still have to get excommunicated I suppose.

Do they even still do those?

They excommunicated a woman in 2009 because she got her pregnant 9 year old, who had been molested by her stepfather, an abortion. Yeah, it's still around.

[Divair]

Do they even still do those?

They excommunicated a woman in 2009 because she got her pregnant 9 year old, who had been molested by her stepfather, an abortion. Yeah, it's still around.

The more you know.

[Genivaria]

They did, and it's the same false interpretation that every other Christian receives. The real Bible isn't as positive as the Church would have you think.

The Church is technically infallible, so I can trust that they are the ones who are correct.

Noone is infallible, noone. Anyone who claims to be is obscenely arrogant and not worth listening to.

[Thafoo]

people actually think it was?

It may be this tiny little thing called the dollar

No one knows that that was added in 1956...