The United States was NOT founded on Christianity

[Flaxxony-Setram]

Nope. Obviously not if you peek into the atrocities of history.

"Humanity" doesn't, despite what you want to think, have many inborn values. They are all based on what the situation is and what works better, honestly.

That's why, despite lack of contact between certain groups of people for thousands, if not tens of thousands, of years, almost all of humanity ended up with common basic values.

lolk

Not at all really. Some culture somewhere basically practiced every terrible crime, from cannibalism, rape and murder to paedophilia and torture.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

I'd like to know what "atheist political philosophies" have caused wars, with an emphasis on the "atheist", i.e. wars that were started due to atheism.

Basically all the violence perpetrated by the USSR and China.

The typical theist fallacy is to say "Stalin was atheist, therefore atheism is evil", whilst neglecting the fact that Stalin didn't commit democide because he was an atheist, is was because he was incredibly paranoid and desired, as you said, absolute control.

On the other hand, events such as the Albigensian Crusade were performed entirely for religious reasons.

[Divair]

Not at all really. Some culture somewhere basically practiced every terrible crime, from cannibalism, rape and murder to paedophilia and torture.

Sounds like a lot of Judaism and Christianity's history. Bar the cannibalism.

[Nidaria]

Basically all the violence perpetrated by the USSR and China.

The typical theist fallacy is to say "Stalin was atheist, therefore atheism is evil", whilst neglecting the fact that Stalin didn't commit democide because he was an atheist, is was because he was incredibly paranoid and desired, as you said, absolute control.

On the other hand, events such as the Albigensian Crusade were performed entirely for religious reasons.

Which is pretty much false, as the democide was committed because of belief that religion was evil, and Stalin did not have a moral code because of his atheism.

[Ganos Lao]

That's why, despite lack of contact between certain groups of people for thousands, if not tens of thousands, of years, almost all of humanity ended up with common basic values.

lolk

Not at all really. Some culture somewhere basically practiced every terrible crime, from cannibalism, rape and murder to paedophilia and torture.

So? There were still good, well meaning people. Every culture has both such people.

Take a look, say, at the murder of Polly Klaas. A horrible tragedy that could happen anywhere in the world, but you know what happened after it? Many people came together in support of her family and friends. I'd say that implies that people have gotten over the centuries of our collective history some basic values. Wouldn't you?

[Nidaria]

Not at all really. Some culture somewhere basically practiced every terrible crime, from cannibalism, rape and murder to paedophilia and torture.

Sounds like a lot of Judaism and Christianity's history. Bar the cannibalism.

Sounds more like atheism and liberalism.

[Ganos Lao]

Which is pretty much false, as the democide was committed because of belief that religion was evil, and Stalin did not have a moral code because of his atheism.

Even if Stalin had stayed in the Orthodox Church, who's to say he'd not have turned out the same way?

[Flaxxony-Setram]

Cool. Sorry about the proof

Proof of what? Your lack of understanding of basic history?

No...

Listen, all y'all act like you have "been around the bush before" with this argument. You act like it is childish, etc.

You can't have a double standard. Many "Christian" crimes were also just tyrants that used Christianity to justify

[Ganos Lao]

-nevermind-

[Divair]

Which is pretty much false, as the democide was committed because of belief that religion was evil, and Stalin did not have a moral code because of his atheism.

Even if Stalin had stayed in the Orthodox Church, who's to say he'd not have turned out the same way?

We all know atheists are evil and all of them commit crimes due to their lack of morality and logic. The atheists who haven't committed crimes? Not atheists. They're actually religious and in denial.


Obviously.

[Nidaria]

Which is pretty much false, as the democide was committed because of belief that religion was evil, and Stalin did not have a moral code because of his atheism.

Even if Stalin had stayed in the Orthodox Church, who's to say he'd not have turned out the same way?

If he was a devout Orthodox, the teachings of his church would prevent him from committing democide.

[Divair]

No...

Listen, all y'all act like you have "been around the bush before" with this argument. You act like it is childish, etc.

You can't have a double standard. Many "Christian" crimes were also just tyrants that used Christianity to justify

You think I deny that?

[Ganos Lao]

Even if Stalin had stayed in the Orthodox Church, who's to say he'd not have turned out the same way?

If he was a devout Orthodox, the teachings of his church would prevent him from committing democide.

I remember Jim Jones was in a church once. He even led one. How did he turn out?

[Nidaria]

Even if Stalin had stayed in the Orthodox Church, who's to say he'd not have turned out the same way?

We all know atheists are evil and all of them commit crimes due to their lack of morality and logic. The atheists who haven't committed crimes? Not atheists. They're actually religious and in denial.


Obviously.

Wrong. Atheists are not all psychopaths; however, the lack of a strong moral standpoint prevents in standing firm against evil; and more easily leads them into committing evil.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Which is pretty much false, as the democide was committed because of belief that religion was evil,

You don't know anything about the history of the USSR, do you? Holodomor, for example, had many causes, none of them religion.

and Stalin did not have a moral code because of his atheism.

Atheism =/= no moral code.

I'm atheist, and I have a moral code, hence the two aren't mutually exclusive. Stalin's lack of morality was a result of paranoia and factors other than his religious beliefs.

Seriously, do you even history?

[Divair]

Seriously, do you even history?

No. Do you really need to ask this?

[Thafoo]

I want to rip out my hair after reading this.

Cool. Sorry about the proof

Sorry, but that was not proof. Neither the USSR or China used atheism as an excuse for killing...

[Ganos Lao]

We all know atheists are evil and all of them commit crimes due to their lack of morality and logic. The atheists who haven't committed crimes? Not atheists. They're actually religious and in denial.


Obviously.

Wrong. Atheists are not all psychopaths; however, the lack of a strong moral standpoint prevents in standing firm against evil; and more easily leads them into committing evil.

So if atheists, who by nature do not believe in Christ, are lacking in a strong moral standpoint due to their refusal to accept Christ into their lives, what of Muslims, Jews, Zoroastrians, neopagans, etc? Are they all lacking as well?

[Genivaria]

Even if Stalin had stayed in the Orthodox Church, who's to say he'd not have turned out the same way?

If he was a devout Orthodox, the teachings of his church would prevent him from committing democide.

Ha! Your ignorance of history is amusing.

[Nidaria]

Which is pretty much false, as the democide was committed because of belief that religion was evil,

You don't know anything about the history of the USSR, do you? Holodomor, for example, had many causes, none of them religion.

and Stalin did not have a moral code because of his atheism.

Atheism =/= no moral code.

I'm atheist, and I have a moral code, hence the two aren't mutually exclusive. Stalin's lack of morality was a result of paranoia and factors other than his religious beliefs.

Seriously, do you even history?

They were directly caused by those factors, but his atheism accelerated the result. Everyone has a "natural law" within ourselves, but without a strong moral teacher like religion it is easy to ignore it.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Seriously, do you even history?

No. Do you really need to ask this?

Somebody get a fallacy counter up. We'll be in double digits in no time.

[The Rich Port]

We all know atheists are evil and all of them commit crimes due to their lack of morality and logic. The atheists who haven't committed crimes? Not atheists. They're actually religious and in denial.


Obviously.

Wrong. Atheists are not all psychopaths; however, the lack of a strong moral standpoint prevents in standing firm against evil; and more easily leads them into committing evil.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever read.

I say that a lot on this sight... Probably because it keeps being true.

[Divair]

Wrong. Atheists are not all psychopaths; however, the lack of a strong moral standpoint prevents in standing firm against evil; and more easily leads them into committing evil.

So if atheists, who by nature do not believe in Christ, are lacking in a strong moral standpoint due to their refusal to accept Christ into their lives, what of Muslims, Jews, Zoroastrians, neopagans, etc? Are they all lacking as well?

Of course. Don't you commit daily crimes?

[Genivaria]

You don't know anything about the history of the USSR, do you? Holodomor, for example, had many causes, none of them religion.


Atheism =/= no moral code.

I'm atheist, and I have a moral code, hence the two aren't mutually exclusive. Stalin's lack of morality was a result of paranoia and factors other than his religious beliefs.

Seriously, do you even history?

They were directly caused by those factors, but his atheism accelerated the result. Everyone has a "natural law" within ourselves, but without a strong moral teacher like religion it is easy to ignore it.

Please stop lying.

[Nidaria]

Wrong. Atheists are not all psychopaths; however, the lack of a strong moral standpoint prevents in standing firm against evil; and more easily leads them into committing evil.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever read.

I say that a lot on this sight... Probably because it keeps being true.

You should prove that.