Mass protests in Turkey [live-update thread]

[New Sapienta]

Yeah all these death threats Kemalist is spouting is making me pretty wary of the protesters.

Because their is clearly no diversity among the protesters.

I said a little wary, I didn't say I dismissed the protestors all together.

I'm just a little worried this bloodlust is popular among some of the protestors, but I have no evidence for that, so it is exactly that, simple worries.

[Kemalist]

Yeah all these death threats Kemalist is spouting is making me pretty wary of the protesters.

Just one person has to die for this mass violence to stop. What's so wrong about it? I like how you guys try to discredit me because I want Erdogan to die, while I know many people here advocate that the Atomic bombings were totally justified and necessary.

What do you think about the thousands in the UK who were celebrating Thatcher's death?

[New Octopucta]

Just one person has to die for this mass violence to stop. What's so wrong about it? I like how you guys try to discredit me because I want Erdogan to die, while I know many of the people here advocate that the Atomic bombings were totally justified and necessary.

Really? Erdogan isn't exactly Hitler. He's guilty of attempting to set up an authoritarian government and responding to peaceful protests with more force than necessary. There is still plenty of leeway for the situation to be resolved peacefully and with Erdogan in jail rather than a grave.

[Napkiraly]

Yeah all these death threats Kemalist is spouting is making me pretty wary of the protesters.

Just one person has to die for this mass violence to stop. What's so wrong about it? I like how you guys try to discredit me because I want Erdogan to die, while I know many of the people here advocate that the Atomic bombings were totally justified and necessary.

Because the atomic bombings are completely relevant to the issue at hand.

[New Sapienta]

Yeah all these death threats Kemalist is spouting is making me pretty wary of the protesters.

Just one person has to die for this mass violence to stop. What's so wrong about it? I like how you guys try to discredit me because I want Erdogan to die, while I know many people here advocate that the Atomic bombings were totally justified and necessary.

What do you think about the thousands in the UK who were celebrating Thatcher's death?

Well, first off, killing Erdogan is completely unnecessary if you can jail him, which you should try to do all the time.

The Atomic Bombings was war, and more were going to die anyway. Last I checked, Erdogan was mowing down protestors in the streets.

And while I despise Thatcher, celebrating her death was hardly appropriate or necessary, especially considering she had no political power anymore.

[Kemalist]

Just one person has to die for this mass violence to stop. What's so wrong about it? I like how you guys try to discredit me because I want Erdogan to die, while I know many of the people here advocate that the Atomic bombings were totally justified and necessary.

Because the atomic bombings are completely relevant to the issue at hand.

It's relevant because people try to discredit me because I want ONE person to die while many people here support an action that killed hundreds of thousands.

[New Octopucta]

It's relevant because people try to discredit me because I want ONE person to die while many people here support an action that killed hundreds of thousands.

Context? What's it good for?

[Libertarian California]

Meanwhile in USA and Turkey;

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High standard of living for the win.

[Napkiraly]

Because the atomic bombings are completely relevant to the issue at hand.

It's relevant because people try to discredit me because I want ONE person to die while many people here support an action that killed hundreds of thousands.

People are discrediting your views not because you want one person to die, rather it's that the person you want to die isn't the level of authoritarian douchebaggery that would justify it or at least make it understandable. Edrogan may be a dick, but he isn't that much of a dick.

[New Sapienta]

Because the atomic bombings are completely relevant to the issue at hand.

It's relevant because people try to discredit me because I want ONE person to die while many people here support an action that killed hundreds of thousands.

You should probably realize that sometimes, wanting people's death is not justified by pointing to the Atomic Bombings and saying "YOU SUPPORT DEATH TOO!"

[Regnum Dominae]

Meanwhile in USA and Turkey;

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High standard of living for the win.

I think you have it backwards, in Turkey they were refusing to air the riots on the news, instead focusing on cooking shows and penguin documentaries among other things.

[Kemalist]

It's relevant because people try to discredit me because I want ONE person to die while many people here support an action that killed hundreds of thousands.

People are discrediting your views not because you want one person to die, rather it's that the person you want to die isn't the level of authoritarian douchebaggery that would justify it or at least make it understandable. Edrogan may be a dick, but he isn't that much of a dick.

Then you still are not much informated about the level of police terror here. If Erdogan dies now, the violence will stop, and no more casualties or heavy injuries will happen.

There's no way to take down the government and jail him at this rate, we are unarmed and he has an heavily armed police army. I hope he dies soon whether in natural ways or some kind of assassination. Sorry but I consider thousands of people's lives rather than a fascist bigot.

[Libertarian California]

High standard of living for the win.

I think you have it backwards, in Turkey they were refusing to air the riots on the news, instead focusing on cooking shows and penguin documentaries among other things.

Okay fine. I apologize.

[New Sapienta]

People are discrediting your views not because you want one person to die, rather it's that the person you want to die isn't the level of authoritarian douchebaggery that would justify it or at least make it understandable. Edrogan may be a dick, but he isn't that much of a dick.

Then you still are not much informated about the level of police terror here. If Erdogan dies now, the violence will stop, and no more casualties or heavy injuries will happen.

There's no way to take down the government and jail him at this rate, we are unarmend and he has an heavily armed police army. I hope he dies soon whether in natural ways or some kind of assassination.

Come back when he is ordering the police to open fire with live bullets on the crowd.

And while I'm sure there is police brutality, I am also sure a fair share is the result of protestors trying to push the police back, who are of course obviously going to start reacting with violence.

[Libertarian California]

Would this be considered part of the Arab Spring or a separate event? (I know Turks aren't Arab, but you get the point)

[New Sapienta]

Would this be considered part of the Arab Spring or a separate event? (I know Turks aren't Arab, but you get the point)

Separate, since the protestors are secular.

[Geilinor]

Then you still are not much informated about the level of police terror here. If Erdogan dies now, the violence will stop, and no more casualties or heavy injuries will happen.

There's no way to take down the government and jail him at this rate, we are unarmend and he has an heavily armed police army. I hope he dies soon whether in natural ways or some kind of assassination.

Come back when he is ordering the police to open fire with live bullets on the crowd.

And while I'm sure there is police brutality, I am also sure a fair share is the result of protestors trying to push the police back, who are of course obviously going to start reacting with violence.

The police have actual weapons though. As far as I've heard, the protesters have not used any guns.

[New Sapienta]

Come back when he is ordering the police to open fire with live bullets on the crowd.

And while I'm sure there is police brutality, I am also sure a fair share is the result of protestors trying to push the police back, who are of course obviously going to start reacting with violence.

The police have actual weapons though. As far as I've heard, the protesters have not used any guns.

No, but they have assaulted the police by moving in masses against them, violently pushing them back along with multiple breaking and enterings.

I'm not saying the violence is justified, but assaulting the police is probably not a good way to avoid violence.

[Regnum Dominae]

Would this be considered part of the Arab Spring or a separate event? (I know Turks aren't Arab, but you get the point)

I don't think it could be, since the Arab Spring was a wave of 2010-2011 protests that came from general opposition to Mideastern autocracy, this is a separate event two years later.

Besides Syria, pretty much all of the Arab Spring has died down.

[Napkiraly]

Then you still are not much informated about the level of police terror here.

No, people have generally kept me up to date.

If Erdogan dies now, the violence will stop, and no more casualties or heavy injuries will happen.

Well that ain't going to happen. And assassinating him could actually turn people against the protesters.

There's no way to take down the government and jail him at this rate, we are unarmed and he has an heavily armed police army.

Seems to be going all right. Plus, from what I've read the military hasn't chosen any sides yet.

I hope he dies soon whether in natural ways or some kind of assassination.

And that is why people are criticizing you. He isn't Assad, or Pol Pot, or Ceaușescu.

Sorry but I consider thousands of people's lives rather than a fascist bigot.

Being an authoritarian dick =/= fascist. Learn what it is, as repeating such a cliche phrase makes you look ignorant and less credible.

[Kemalist]

Then you still are not much informated about the level of police terror here. If Erdogan dies now, the violence will stop, and no more casualties or heavy injuries will happen.

There's no way to take down the government and jail him at this rate, we are unarmend and he has an heavily armed police army. I hope he dies soon whether in natural ways or some kind of assassination.

Come back when he is ordering the police to open fire with live bullets on the crowd.

And while I'm sure there is police brutality, I am also sure a fair share is the result of protestors trying to push the police back, who are of course obviously going to start reacting with violence.

Look, it's much easier to talk from there without living under this atmosphere. Such a thing never happent in the Turkish history; but the people are extremely gorged with hatred because of his antagonistic policies toward at least half of the population.

And it's not like he really cares about people's lives either. One person died because of police intervention while he was trying to protest his rally in a city, after that he began to bash and criticize him in a programme, and when he was told "but he died?", he said something like "I don't mind"

It's our right to live peacefully in our country without a fascist freak intervening in our private life, taking away our protesting rights and such. Let alone the whole process right now; you don't know the background or what we have experience within 10 years of his rule.

If thousands of British people celebrated Thatcher's death, sure they were right at some point. So are we.

[New Sapienta]

Come back when he is ordering the police to open fire with live bullets on the crowd.

And while I'm sure there is police brutality, I am also sure a fair share is the result of protestors trying to push the police back, who are of course obviously going to start reacting with violence.

Look, it's much easier to talk from there without living under this atmosphere. Such a thing never happent in the Turkish history; but the people are extremely gorged with hatred because of his antagonistic policies toward at least half of the population.

And it's not like he really cares about people's lifes either. One person died because of police intervention while he was trying to protest his rally in a city, after that he began to bash and criticize him in a programme, and when he was told "but he died?", he said something like "I don't mind"

It's our right to live peacefully in our country with a fascist freak intervening in our private life, taking away our protesting rights and such. Let alone the whole process right now; you don't know the background or what we have experience within 10 years of his rule.

If thousands of British people celebrated Thatcher's death, sure they were right at some point.

You would have to source that, because as you said, lots of people are in crowds angry, which you know probably means they are going to be making a lot of different rumors for things.

You see, you don't quite seem to grasp that your really biased on this issue, and your participation in the protests kind approves you are gonna be a little but susceptible to these rumors.

He doesn't deserve death because he had done disagreeable things. He hasn't shot massive crowds of political enemies.

Now I'm not saying your wrong, but you seem to be under the false impression that outsiders can't have any insight on the issue.

[Libertarian California]

Yeah all these death threats Kemalist is spouting is making me pretty wary of the protesters.

Just one person has to die for this mass violence to stop. What's so wrong about it? I like how you guys try to discredit me because I want Erdogan to die, while I know many people here advocate that the Atomic bombings were totally justified and necessary.

What do you think about the thousands in the UK who were celebrating Thatcher's death?

To be fair, a life in prison would be just the same.

[Kemalist]

Look, it's much easier to talk from there without living under this atmosphere. Such a thing never happent in the Turkish history; but the people are extremely gorged with hatred because of his antagonistic policies toward at least half of the population.

And it's not like he really cares about people's lifes either. One person died because of police intervention while he was trying to protest his rally in a city, after that he began to bash and criticize him in a programme, and when he was told "but he died?", he said something like "I don't mind"

It's our right to live peacefully in our country with a fascist freak intervening in our private life, taking away our protesting rights and such. Let alone the whole process right now; you don't know the background or what we have experience within 10 years of his rule.

If thousands of British people celebrated Thatcher's death, sure they were right at some point.

You would have to source that, because as you said, lots of people are in crowds angry, which you know probably means they are going to be making a lot of different rumors for things.

You see, you don't quite seem to grasp that your really biased on this issue, and your participation in the protests kind approves you are gonna be a little but susceptible to these rumors.

He doesn't deserve death because he had done disagreeable things. He hasn't shot massive crowds of political enemies.

Now I'm not saying your wrong, but you seem to be under the false impression that outsiders can't have any insight on the issue.

That's not a rumor, here is the video, sorry I couldn't find any translation but you can have it verified by somebody else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2E1b9g3I5o

He is trying to criticize the person who died while protesting his rally, then he's told "but he's dead" and he says "I don't mind".

Yes, I'm totally biased, of course. I side by the protestors being one myself, I can't deny that. But you should know that more than millions here would like to see him dead. Not because we are barbaric bloodthursty nuts, but because of years of oppression. I will not even talk about some political trials that led to hundreds of journalists being held in prisons for nothing. Yes, maybe he didn't kill them, but he ruined all their lives, along with their families.

For the welfare of at least half of the population, he needs to go someway. If it can be done without death, fine, but I don't see any other solution now, because he's too powerful and we are still unarmed and quite peaceful in spite of all this terror. If we were that bad as you might think, it would be much different.

[Kemalist]

By the way; some trade unions are going to meet tomorrow; many people are calling for 'general strike'. I hope they take such a decision so it will help the protests continue within the week.

But it's the youth who is leading the protests. Since the schools are about to close soon... Not to mention lots of unemployed university graduates, the retired and those who will join us after the work. Resist, people...

And can you guys please sign this petition?

https://www.change.org/petitions/cnn-in ... -cnn-turk#

To:
CNN International, CNN Center, Atlanta, Georgia
CNN International must pull its name franchise from CNN Turk

After failing to report the Istanbul events CNN Turk can no longer continue it's activity as a proper news channel. CNN must not allow its prestige to be used in such a way and must pull its name right immediately.

Sincerely,
[Your name]