Mass protests in Turkey [live-update thread]

[Scholencia]

Oh another islamistic fan, I see. Well you are an primitive middle aged Ottoman asshole.

Please leave, don't troll the thread

Well you idiot you started first. If you dont like what I said just ignore me. You cannot abolish freedom of speech (i.e. what you dont like)

[Mike the Progressive]

I can't just understand what kind of people you are, those 3 people mean nothing for you, just a low statistic or something, fuck your humanity

Three people dying is bad, so arrest the police who are responsible and try them. Not sure why Erdogan should die though.

[Divair]

http://vimeo.com/67545019

[Dilange]

When is his term up?

2015 if the AKP is voted out, which is unlikely if this protest goes nowhere.

So why elect a party that has proven to be authoritarian and somewhat religiously conservative again, if these problems where happening since he was first in office?

[New Octopucta]

Three people dying is bad, so arrest the police who are responsible and try them. Not sure why Erdogan should die though.

Clearly, the Turkish police force are a hive mind with Erdogan commanding them like puppets to do his bidding.

[Divair]

2015 if the AKP is voted out, which is unlikely if this protest goes nowhere.

So why elect a party that has proven to be authoritarian and somewhat religiously conservative again, if these problems where happening since he was first in office?

Rural parts of the country tend to be more Islamist and authoritarian. Rural parts of the country also tend to have more people.

[Dilange]

An expected reaction from a person like you. If it was an American citizen I'm sure it would have been different.

The thing is...I'm not really sure what this guy has done, except be an insensitive ass. I know for certain he doesn't deserve to die as you posted earlier. If you can give me specifics, that warrants death for him, not vague cries of "violated our privacy and rights" or "he killed three people, even though he actually didn't," then by all means.

Otherwise, I'm gonna starting to wonder if Turkey is a nation of whiners, who can't even behave democratically.

One thing I know is that he start doing regulations against the sale of alcohol. Obviously a reason to revolt and riot by itself.

[Czechanada]

No, like seriously, this whole situation has made me confused. All I heard is "conservative, Islamist agenda" and he's a "dictator", which both dont give specifics.

Basically he has moved Turkey closer and closer towards abandoning secularism over the past 10 years and has made the country far more authoritarian.

And the threat of demolishing a park is the spark that lit the powder keg.

[Dilange]

So why elect a party that has proven to be authoritarian and somewhat religiously conservative again, if these problems where happening since he was first in office?

Rural parts of the country tend to be more Islamist and authoritarian. Rural parts of the country also tend to have more people.

Sounds like America....but there are the majority party. If people did not like Ergodan or his party, they wouldnt vote for him.

[Divair]

Basically he has moved Turkey closer and closer towards abandoning secularism over the past 10 years and has made the country far more authoritarian.

And the threat of demolishing a park is the spark that lit the powder keg.

Well, no, not really. Environmentalists are the only people who cared enough about the park to protest. The overreaction by the police was what caused it to inflate in scale dramatically.

[Mike the Progressive]

2015 if the AKP is voted out, which is unlikely if this protest goes nowhere.

So why elect a party that has proven to be authoritarian and somewhat religiously conservative again, if these problems where happening since he was first in office?

Because democracy, I mean sure 46% of the people voted for the AKP, where the party with the second most votes only got 20%....but three people died! Erdogan is obviously Hitler/Stalin/Thatcher incarnate and should get the chair on the site of the old temple in Jerusalem, so that he can rise back from the dead 3 days later and lead the Global Community.

[Dilange]

So why elect a party that has proven to be authoritarian and somewhat religiously conservative again, if these problems where happening since he was first in office?

Because democracy, I mean sure 46% of the people voted for the AKP, where the party with the second most votes only got 20%....but three people died! Erdogan is obviously Hitler/Stalin/Thatcher incarnate and should get the chair on the site of the old temple in Jerusalem, so that he can rise back from the dead 3 days later and lead the Global Community.

This made me chuckle a lot harder than it should have.

[Mike the Progressive]

Rural parts of the country tend to be more Islamist and authoritarian. Rural parts of the country also tend to have more people.

Sounds like America....but there are the majority party. If people did not like Ergodan or his party, they wouldnt vote for him.

Exactly. So if you don't like him, vote him out of power next election...oh wait, but he'll probably win the election! So let's riot, hopefully start a revolution, because fuck democracy and elections, the roughly 60,000 people protesting know better than all the other people in a country of 75 million!

[Olivaero]

An expected reaction from a person like you. If it was an American citizen I'm sure it would have been different.

The thing is...I'm not really sure what this guy has done, except be an insensitive ass. I know for certain he doesn't deserve to die as you posted earlier. If you can give me specifics, that warrants death for him, not vague cries of "violated our privacy and rights" or "he killed three people, even though he actually didn't," then by all means.

Otherwise, I'm gonna starting to wonder if Turkey is a nation of whiners, who can't even behave democratically.

People react very strongly to having their rights taken away which seems to be exactly what the AKP are doing. I'm surprised you can't see beyond "turkey is a nation of whiners" and look at the core of the issue.

[Dilange]

The thing is...I'm not really sure what this guy has done, except be an insensitive ass. I know for certain he doesn't deserve to die as you posted earlier. If you can give me specifics, that warrants death for him, not vague cries of "violated our privacy and rights" or "he killed three people, even though he actually didn't," then by all means.

Otherwise, I'm gonna starting to wonder if Turkey is a nation of whiners, who can't even behave democratically.

People react very strongly to having their rights taken away which seems to be exactly what the AKP are doing. I'm surprised you can't see beyond "turkey is a nation of whiners" and look at the core of the issue.

What "rights" have been taken away?

[Divair]

Not sure if this has been posted. Got taken quite a few hours ago.
http://i.imgur.com/gSsjtyd.jpg

[Wamitoria]

People react very strongly to having their rights taken away which seems to be exactly what the AKP are doing. I'm surprised you can't see beyond "turkey is a nation of whiners" and look at the core of the issue.

What "rights" have been taken away?

If I recall correctly, the AKP is trying to restrict the sale of liquor.

[Mike the Progressive]

The thing is...I'm not really sure what this guy has done, except be an insensitive ass. I know for certain he doesn't deserve to die as you posted earlier. If you can give me specifics, that warrants death for him, not vague cries of "violated our privacy and rights" or "he killed three people, even though he actually didn't," then by all means.

Otherwise, I'm gonna starting to wonder if Turkey is a nation of whiners, who can't even behave democratically.

People react very strongly to having their rights taken away which seems to be exactly what the AKP are doing. I'm surprised you can't see beyond "turkey is a nation of whiners" and look at the core of the issue.

I understand people don't like having their rights taken away, though technically any government action can mean rights are taken away. I understand the police behaved like dicks. So here's a radically novel concept, don't vote for the guys who are screwing you!

I mean Obamacare says I have to buy health insurance, and the FDA banned energy-alcoholic drinks, you don't see me running around calling Obama a fascist, saying he should die, do you?

[Czechanada]

What "rights" have been taken away?

If I recall correctly, the AKP is trying to restrict the sale of liquor.

More specifically during evening hours.

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

Leave turkey for Thanksgiving, Americanos.

[Divair]

People react very strongly to having their rights taken away which seems to be exactly what the AKP are doing. I'm surprised you can't see beyond "turkey is a nation of whiners" and look at the core of the issue.

What "rights" have been taken away?

Maybe this stuff? Cited in the Wikipedia article. I get the gist of what they're saying, but beyond this stuff, no clue what the specifics are or how accurate they are.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/world ... d=all&_r=0
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... nbeck.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur ... 64579.html
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... 5-20130603
http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21 ... o-good-you
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/fe ... impossible
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/main-o ... sCatID=339
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ap ... blasphemhy
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/23/world ... y-sentence

[Olivaero]

People react very strongly to having their rights taken away which seems to be exactly what the AKP are doing. I'm surprised you can't see beyond "turkey is a nation of whiners" and look at the core of the issue.

What "rights" have been taken away?

The right to consume alcohol freely in places which they could before above a certain age? And If I recall correctly draconian regulations on the sale of pork and many others. The creeping of Islam is not something a nation like turkey which has strong secular principles takes lightly.

[Czechanada]

People react very strongly to having their rights taken away which seems to be exactly what the AKP are doing. I'm surprised you can't see beyond "turkey is a nation of whiners" and look at the core of the issue.

I understand people don't like having their rights taken away, though technically any government action can mean rights are taken away. I understand the police behaved like dicks. So here's a radically novel concept, don't vote for the guys who are screwing you!

I mean Obamacare says I have to buy health insurance, and the FDA banned energy-alcoholic drinks, you don't see me running around calling Obama a fascist, saying he should die, do you?

Don't some Americans already do that?

[Divair]

I understand people don't like having their rights taken away, though technically any government action can mean rights are taken away. I understand the police behaved like dicks. So here's a radically novel concept, don't vote for the guys who are screwing you!

I mean Obamacare says I have to buy health insurance, and the FDA banned energy-alcoholic drinks, you don't see me running around calling Obama a fascist, saying he should die, do you?

Don't some Americans already do that?

Quite a few.

[Mike the Progressive]

I understand people don't like having their rights taken away, though technically any government action can mean rights are taken away. I understand the police behaved like dicks. So here's a radically novel concept, don't vote for the guys who are screwing you!

I mean Obamacare says I have to buy health insurance, and the FDA banned energy-alcoholic drinks, you don't see me running around calling Obama a fascist, saying he should die, do you?

Don't some Americans already do that?

Yes, and we refer to them as "Teabaggers" and most of us believe they are quite insane.