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NS, what is your gender

Male
508
82%
Female
59
10%
Genderqueer/fluid
33
5%
MtF transgender
15
2%
FtM Transgender
5
1%
 
Total votes : 620

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Postby Chetssaland » Mon May 20, 2013 4:15 pm

I'm a straight WASP, minus the P. Pretty generic, but being unique is too mainstream now.

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Mon May 20, 2013 4:16 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:I'm not transgender. i do not have a gender. I just have a set of male genitals. That in no way effects my identity, as you yourself just got done arguing, the genitals are irrelevant to the identity. I do not feel male, I do not feel female.


If you are not male nor female, you're transgender. Genderqueer, agender, whatever.

That doesn't make your stance not an idiotic and offensive political point. I know you. I've seen your posts, I've read your inane "equality means the same for everyone!11!" rants.

You are a walking political point. I'm accordingly doubtful. Political lesbians aren't lesbian, and political trans people are not transgender.

Political "transgenderism" is utterly asinine appropriation.

Rolling your eyes is a wonderful rebuttal to me pointing out how stupid your suggestion that because LGBT are oppressed MORE, that means we should completely shaft everyone else. You wanna come out in favor of house-slaves?
Got anything better than just avoiding the point?


Considering you avoided mine admirably, I'd say that you're doing enough of that on your own.
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Postby Starkindler » Mon May 20, 2013 4:17 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Starkindler wrote:SRS is sex reassignment surgery. The purpose of this is to change an individual's sex (Physical layer) to match her/his gender (Application/presentation layers) more closely.

That makes a transgendered people a...

Computer?


TCP/IP stack to be more precise, the definitions are taken from the OSI layers.
If we are debating the nuances of gender theory, then we should start to see that there are at least three different layers:
Physical layer: "I have a penis (male)/vagina (female)/both (intersex)." < Sex
Application layer: "I am a male/female/agendered/genderfluid/snowflake/tumblr/etc." < Gender. As one identifies self to self. Can be different from sex.
Presentation layer: "To the outside, I present myself as male/female/androgyne/snowflake/tumblr." < Presentation. As one identifies to others and appears before others. Can be different from either sex or gender, however, closely correlates to gender.

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Postby Nieuw Kaap » Mon May 20, 2013 4:19 pm

Bisexual, Male. But I'm a little bit more interested in girls. :)
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon May 20, 2013 4:21 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:I'm not transgender. i do not have a gender. I just have a set of male genitals. That in no way effects my identity, as you yourself just got done arguing, the genitals are irrelevant to the identity. I do not feel male, I do not feel female.


If you are not male nor female, you're transgender. Genderqueer, agender, whatever.

That doesn't make your stance not an idiotic and offensive political point. I know you. I've seen your posts, I've read your inane "equality means the same for everyone!11!" rants.

You are a walking political point. I'm accordingly doubtful. Political lesbians aren't lesbian, and political trans people are not transgender.

Political "transgenderism" is utterly asinine appropriation.

Rolling your eyes is a wonderful rebuttal to me pointing out how stupid your suggestion that because LGBT are oppressed MORE, that means we should completely shaft everyone else. You wanna come out in favor of house-slaves?
Got anything better than just avoiding the point?


Considering you avoided mine admirably, I'd say that you're doing enough of that on your own.


I could point out that you are a feminist, a liberal etc and say you are just a political transgendered individual, not really transgendered. Secretly a man pretending to be transgendered to make a point etc.
Now consider how it feels to be told that and apply it to me. I'm somewhat annoyed, but then I have no way of proving how I identify myself, and nor do you. All we can do is take eachothers word for it.
I'm perfectly willing to elaborate when I realized this about myself if you want.

Equality does mean the same for everyone. Unless you are arguing that one section of society is inherently worse and/or unable to do something than another section. Which is something i'm open to. I completely agree that we need welfare for some of the disabled and mentally disabled who are incapable of doing certain things.
If they are not inherently worse at something, then why not treat them equally?

Avoided what point of yours? The one I addressed explicitly?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 20, 2013 4:22 pm

Starkindler wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Computer?


TCP/IP stack to be more precise, the definitions are taken from the OSI layers.
If we are debating the nuances of gender theory, then we should start to see that there are at least three different layers:
Physical layer: "I have a penis (male)/vagina (female)/both (intersex)." < Sex
Application layer: "I am a male/female/agendered/genderfluid/snowflake/tumblr/etc." < Gender. As one identifies self to self. Can be different from sex.
Presentation layer: "To the outside, I present myself as male/female/androgyne/snowflake/tumblr." < Presentation. As one identifies to others and appears before others. Can be different from either sex or gender, however, closely correlates to gender.

I figured computer rather than OSI layers because there's more to people than these three layers.

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Postby Prusseuss » Mon May 20, 2013 4:23 pm

I am not sure if I am bisexual or not.Can somebody help me ?
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Postby Nieuw Kaap » Mon May 20, 2013 4:24 pm

Prusseuss wrote:I am not sure if I am bisexual or not.Can somebody help me ?


In which country do you live?
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Mon May 20, 2013 4:24 pm

Male, bisexual, in case you couldn't already tell :p
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Postby TaQud » Mon May 20, 2013 4:24 pm

Prusseuss wrote:I am not sure if I am bisexual or not.Can somebody help me ?

you maybe questioning? :unsure:
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Postby Seiru » Mon May 20, 2013 4:25 pm

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Postby Frisivisia » Mon May 20, 2013 4:25 pm

Prusseuss wrote:I am not sure if I am bisexual or not.Can somebody help me ?

Would you enjoy fucking men?

Would you enjoy fucking women?

Answer these two questions and you'll figure it out.
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Postby Olthar » Mon May 20, 2013 4:25 pm

Prusseuss wrote:I am not sure if I am bisexual or not.Can somebody help me ?

Do you feel sexual attraction to those of the same gender?
Do you feel sexual attraction to those of the opposite gender?

If you answered yes to both questions, then you're bisexual. If you answered no to one or both questions, then you're not.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon May 20, 2013 4:26 pm

Olthar wrote:
Prusseuss wrote:I am not sure if I am bisexual or not.Can somebody help me ?

Do you feel sexual attraction to those of the same gender?
Do you feel sexual attraction to those of the opposite gender?

If you answered yes to both questions, then you're bisexual. If you answered no to one or both questions, then you're not.


I'd say you would have to feel it often, or above a certain ratio. Otherwise we're casting a very wide net.

Google for male porn pictures, google for female porn pictures.
Try and find a top 10 list somewhere.

If you find at least half of both lists sexually arousing, you're probably bisexual. If you find one set disproportionately more attractive, that's your sexuality.
If you find one or two attractive from one set, you may be "Mostly Straight/Gay." which is what most people are, in my opinion.
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Postby Armadrone » Mon May 20, 2013 4:27 pm

interesting there more asexual males than females. Just goes to show that men stereotyped non emotional and just walking sex machines.

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Postby Prusseuss » Mon May 20, 2013 4:27 pm

I have been attracted to some guys in the past,but never asked them out.So am I bisexual,because I kind of like a guy friend.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 20, 2013 4:29 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Prusseuss wrote:I am not sure if I am bisexual or not.Can somebody help me ?

Would you enjoy fucking men?

Would you enjoy fucking women?

Answer these two questions and you'll figure it out.

Olthar wrote:
Prusseuss wrote:I am not sure if I am bisexual or not.Can somebody help me ?

Do you feel sexual attraction to those of the same gender?
Do you feel sexual attraction to those of the opposite gender?

If you answered yes to both questions, then you're bisexual. If you answered no to one or both questions, then you're not.

Alternatively, your local witch doctor can perform a spell to reveal your One True Sexuality.

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Postby Starkindler » Mon May 20, 2013 4:29 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Starkindler wrote:
TCP/IP stack to be more precise, the definitions are taken from the OSI layers.
If we are debating the nuances of gender theory, then we should start to see that there are at least three different layers:
Physical layer: "I have a penis (male)/vagina (female)/both (intersex)." < Sex
Application layer: "I am a male/female/agendered/genderfluid/snowflake/tumblr/etc." < Gender. As one identifies self to self. Can be different from sex.
Presentation layer: "To the outside, I present myself as male/female/androgyne/snowflake/tumblr." < Presentation. As one identifies to others and appears before others. Can be different from either sex or gender, however, closely correlates to gender.

I figured computer rather than OSI layers because there's more to people than these three layers.


That's why I've written 'nuances of gender theory' and 'at least'. Gender and presentation is just a small part of what makes up a personality, and the deeper you see the nuances, the more dimensions you see to gender issues. The three layers I written can be divided further, depending on how deep we want to go. It's just provided as an example classification covering most trivial matters.

Prusseuss wrote:I am not sure if I am bisexual or not.Can somebody help me ?

Only you can be perfectly sure about yourself. However, if you can find individuals of either sex attractive, and can imagine yourself being intimate with an attractive member of either sex, you are pretty sure to be bisexual.

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Postby Olthar » Mon May 20, 2013 4:30 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Olthar wrote:Do you feel sexual attraction to those of the same gender?
Do you feel sexual attraction to those of the opposite gender?

If you answered yes to both questions, then you're bisexual. If you answered no to one or both questions, then you're not.


I'd say you would have to feel it often, or above a certain ratio. Otherwise we're casting a very wide net.

Google for male porn pictures, google for female porn pictures.
Try and find a top 10 list somewhere.

If you find at least half of both lists sexually arousing, you're probably bisexual. If you find one set disproportionately more attractive, that's your sexuality.
If you find one or two attractive from one set, you may be "Mostly Straight/Gay." which is what most people are, in my opinion.

Google search for porn? Oh, Ostro. You're quite the naive one, aren't you? :p

Armadrone wrote:interesting there more asexual males than females. Just goes to show that men stereotyped non emotional and just walking sex machines.

Or, alternatively, there is simply a disproportionately large number of males on NS. Maybe that's it? :roll:
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Postby Schmiegelland » Mon May 20, 2013 4:30 pm

Engerland wrote:
Slembana wrote:I'm a straight male.

What he said.


What he also said.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon May 20, 2013 4:31 pm

Olthar wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
I'd say you would have to feel it often, or above a certain ratio. Otherwise we're casting a very wide net.

Google for male porn pictures, google for female porn pictures.
Try and find a top 10 list somewhere.

If you find at least half of both lists sexually arousing, you're probably bisexual. If you find one set disproportionately more attractive, that's your sexuality.
If you find one or two attractive from one set, you may be "Mostly Straight/Gay." which is what most people are, in my opinion.

Google search for porn? Oh, Ostro. You're quite the naive one, aren't you? :p

Armadrone wrote:interesting there more asexual males than females. Just goes to show that men stereotyped non emotional and just walking sex machines.

Or, alternatively, there is simply a disproportionately large number of males on NS. Maybe that's it? :roll:


I don't really partake in porn. Never seen the point. I gather the google machine can take you anywhere in the series of tubes. Only time I've ever felt the need to use porn is when I'm extremely coked up over a friends house and we just sit there flicking through pictures and videos and silently judging people.
It's the way we British watch porn.
Sat there. Quietly. Sipping gin. Tutting. Scowling. Occasionally one will merit a nod of agreement. Then we go check the stock market and masturbate.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Olthar » Mon May 20, 2013 4:33 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Would you enjoy fucking men?

Would you enjoy fucking women?

Answer these two questions and you'll figure it out.

Olthar wrote:Do you feel sexual attraction to those of the same gender?
Do you feel sexual attraction to those of the opposite gender?

If you answered yes to both questions, then you're bisexual. If you answered no to one or both questions, then you're not.

Alternatively, your local witch doctor can perform a spell to reveal your One True Sexuality.

Well obviously. I thought that was just implied.

Olthar wrote:
Armadrone wrote:interesting there more asexual males than females. Just goes to show that men stereotyped non emotional and just walking sex machines.

Or, alternatively, there is simply a disproportionately large number of males on NS. Maybe that's it? :roll:

5.9% of men are asexual.
7.2% of women are asexual.
There are proportionately more asexual women.

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Olthar wrote:Google search for porn? Oh, Ostro. You're quite the naive one, aren't you? :p


Or, alternatively, there is simply a disproportionately large number of males on NS. Maybe that's it? :roll:


I don't really partake in porn. Never seen the point. I gather the google machine can take you anywhere in the series of tubes.

Only novices Google search for porn. Pros just know where to find it already. :P
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 20, 2013 4:35 pm

Olthar wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
I don't really partake in porn. Never seen the point. I gather the google machine can take you anywhere in the series of tubes.

Only novices Google search for porn. Pros just know where to find it already. :P

Get good enough at it and the porn will come to you. Though, that may some kind of malware.

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Postby Olthar » Mon May 20, 2013 4:42 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Olthar wrote:Only novices Google search for porn. Pros just know where to find it already. :P

Get good enough at it and the porn will come to you. Though, that may some kind of malware.

Malware? Or Funware? ;)

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Mon May 20, 2013 4:49 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
I could point out that you are a feminist, a liberal etc and say you are just a political transgendered individual, not really transgendered. Secretly a man pretending to be transgendered to make a point etc.

I'm not a liberal. And going by everything you know about me, it'd be a trifle idiotic to make that claim, especially considering you evidently don't even know my political ideologies.

Now consider how it feels to be told that and apply it to me. I'm somewhat annoyed, but then I have no way of proving how I identify myself, and nor do you. All we can do is take eachothers word for it.
I'm perfectly willing to elaborate when I realized this about myself if you want.

I, on the other hand, know your ideologies from your posts perfectly well. And it is on that basis that I make such a judgement.

Equality does mean the same for everyone. Unless you are arguing that one section of society is inherently worse and/or unable to do something than another section. Which is something i'm open to. I completely agree that we need welfare for some of the disabled and mentally disabled who are incapable of doing certain things.
If they are not inherently worse at something, then why not treat them equally?


Because sitting in a circle, holding hands and singing kum-bah-yah doesn't do shit.

It's triage. Equality in a triage setting, and it ought to go to the people who need it most first.

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