What is the gender of nationstates

[Central Lothian]

I'm a bi female, who slightly more prefers females to males.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm not specifically addressing you, to be honest. Sorry if my tone came off wrong.
It just really gets on my nerves that the people who organize these parades don't seem to understand what they are doing

From your posts in this thread it's much more the case that it gets on your nerves you don't understand what they're doing.

So other than just making a baseless attack, do you actually have a point? I've elaborated why gay pride parades do not, in my opinion, actually achieve anything and may make things worse, especially when the option of sexuality parades is open.

[Esternial]

From your posts in this thread it's much more the case that it gets on your nerves you don't understand what they're doing.

So other than just making a baseless attack, do you actually have a point? I've elaborated why gay pride parades do not, in my opinion, actually achieve anything and may make things worse, especially when the option of sexuality parades is open.

Well that's all nice and well, but since when has your opinion become the general consensus?

[IDK-State]

Bi female who prefer girl.

[Ostroeuropa]

So other than just making a baseless attack, do you actually have a point? I've elaborated why gay pride parades do not, in my opinion, actually achieve anything and may make things worse, especially when the option of sexuality parades is open.

Well that's all nice and well, but since when has your opinion become the general consensus?

Never claimed it was.

[Nadkor]

From your posts in this thread it's much more the case that it gets on your nerves you don't understand what they're doing.

So other than just making a baseless attack, do you actually have a point? I've elaborated why gay pride parades do not, in my opinion, actually achieve anything and may make things worse, especially when the option of sexuality parades is open.

It's hardly baseless - I've read what you've written.

You, as you've made clear throughout, don't understand the reasoning behind pride parades and, as a result, you think they'd be better served doing something else.

Which is fine, of course, except that it's still based on you not understanding what they're doing.

[Nadkor]

Bi female who prefer girl.

Represent.

[Ostroeuropa]

So other than just making a baseless attack, do you actually have a point? I've elaborated why gay pride parades do not, in my opinion, actually achieve anything and may make things worse, especially when the option of sexuality parades is open.

It's hardly baseless - I've read what you've written.

You, as you've made clear throughout, don't understand the reasoning behind pride parades and, as a result, you think they'd be better served doing something else.

Which is fine, of course, except that it's still based on you not understanding what they're doing.

So what are they doing?

[Mike the Progressive]

It's hardly baseless - I've read what you've written.

You, as you've made clear throughout, don't understand the reasoning behind pride parades and, as a result, you think they'd be better served doing something else.

Which is fine, of course, except that it's still based on you not understanding what they're doing.

So what are they doing?

Lezzing out.

[Esternial]

Well that's all nice and well, but since when has your opinion become the general consensus?

Never claimed it was.

Then why did you say that they don't seem to know what they're doing?

Seemed like a pretty foregone conclusion.

Perhaps it's even possible they know what they're doing better than you do?

[Ostroeuropa]

Never claimed it was.

Then why did you say that they don't seem to know what they're doing?

Seemed like a pretty foregone conclusion.

Perhaps it's even possible they know what they're doing better than you do?

I can't see any justification for having pride parades exclusive to gays, bisexuals, and transgendered individuals.

Nothing about those individuals unites them but doesn't also include Furries, BDSM etc.

What category includes:
Gay, Bisexual, Transgender

but does NOT include:
Furries, BDSM etc.

[Olthar]

Then why did you say that they don't seem to know what they're doing?

Seemed like a pretty foregone conclusion.

Perhaps it's even possible they know what they're doing better than you do?

I can't see any justification for having pride parades exclusive to gays, bisexuals, and transgendered individuals.

Nothing about those individuals unites them but doesn't also include Furries, BDSM etc.

What category includes:
Gay, Bisexual, Transgender

but does NOT include:
Furries, BDSM etc.

Gay and bisexual are sexualities. Transgender is a sexual identity. Furries and BDSM are fetishes.

[Nadkor]

It's hardly baseless - I've read what you've written.

You, as you've made clear throughout, don't understand the reasoning behind pride parades and, as a result, you think they'd be better served doing something else.

Which is fine, of course, except that it's still based on you not understanding what they're doing.

So what are they doing?

It's been pretty well explained to you already and, given both your lack of understanding so far and my contempt for you in general, I can't really be bothered wasting my time explaining for you again.

[Ostroeuropa]

I can't see any justification for having pride parades exclusive to gays, bisexuals, and transgendered individuals.

Nothing about those individuals unites them but doesn't also include Furries, BDSM etc.

What category includes:
Gay, Bisexual, Transgender

but does NOT include:
Furries, BDSM etc.

Gay and bisexual are sexualities. Transgender is a sexual identity. Furries and BDSM are fetishes.

So there is no category then.
I'd also argue that furry can be a sexual identity.
You've proven my point by throwing Transgender into a seperate category from Gay and Bisexual.
I do not see any category that unites these things, but that doesn't also include other sexual "deviants." I note you've previously said you don't disagree with me though, so i'll wait for someone elses answer.

[Esternial]

Then why did you say that they don't seem to know what they're doing?

Seemed like a pretty foregone conclusion.

Perhaps it's even possible they know what they're doing better than you do?

I can't see any justification for having pride parades exclusive to gays, bisexuals, and transgendered individuals.

Nothing about those individuals unites them but doesn't also include Furries, BDSM etc.

What category includes:
Gay, Bisexual, Transgender

but does NOT include:
Furries, BDSM etc.

Well for one, those three have a different sexuality based on gender, not on species or how much leather you're wearing.

[Ostroeuropa]

I can't see any justification for having pride parades exclusive to gays, bisexuals, and transgendered individuals.

Nothing about those individuals unites them but doesn't also include Furries, BDSM etc.

What category includes:
Gay, Bisexual, Transgender

but does NOT include:
Furries, BDSM etc.

Well for one, those three have a different sexuality based on gender, not on species or how much leather you're wearing.

Transgender people do not have a different sexuality based on gender, as far as I am aware. They have a different gender identity. Not sexuality.
One can be both transgender and homosexual, as an example. Or transgender and straight.

[Veceria]

Male, bisexual (/pansexual/omnisexual).

[Linux and the X]

Gay and bisexual are sexualities. Transgender is a sexual identity. Furries and BDSM are fetishes.

So there is no category then.
I'd also argue that furry can be a sexual identity.
You've proven my point by throwing Transgender into a seperate category from Gay and Bisexual.
I do not see any category that unites these things, but that doesn't also include other sexual "deviants." I note you've previously said you don't disagree with me though, so i'll wait for someone elses answer.

LGBT people challenge the idea that people born with a penis exclusively have sex with people born with a vagina.

[Olthar]

Gay and bisexual are sexualities. Transgender is a sexual identity. Furries and BDSM are fetishes.

So there is no category then.
I'd also argue that furry can be a sexual identity.
You've proven my point by throwing Transgender into a seperate category from Gay and Bisexual.
I do not see any category that unites these things, but that doesn't also include other sexual "deviants." I note you've previously said you don't disagree with me though, so i'll wait for someone elses answer.

There's an exclusionary category of "things that aren't fetishes."

And saying that furries are a personal identity on the level of transgenderism is offensive to transgenders unless you're going to agree with the troll argument that it's possible to identify as a different species.

[Esternial]

Well for one, those three have a different sexuality based on gender, not on species or how much leather you're wearing.

Transgender people do not have a different sexuality based on gender, as far as I am aware. They have a different gender identity. Not sexuality.
One can be both transgender and homosexual, as an example. Or transgender and straight.

I probably phrased that wrong. All three are unified under the common denominator of gender.

[Ostroeuropa]

So there is no category then.
I'd also argue that furry can be a sexual identity.
You've proven my point by throwing Transgender into a seperate category from Gay and Bisexual.
I do not see any category that unites these things, but that doesn't also include other sexual "deviants." I note you've previously said you don't disagree with me though, so i'll wait for someone elses answer.

Both challenge the idea that people born with a penis exclusively have sex with people born with a vagina.

Ok.
Now, is that a particularly important thing to be fighting for?
Especially when sexual liberation parades is an option on the table.

For an analogy, this would be akin to a Hispanic rights movement in the slave-era of the united states who pointedly ignored black people and their rights.
All the while, ignoring that racism is the problem. Not "Racism against hispanic people."

The problem isn't discrimination against homosexuals and transgendered individuals, it's with sexual prudism and the notion that somebody has the right to tell others what to do with their sex life if all involved are consenting.

[Ostroeuropa]

So there is no category then.
I'd also argue that furry can be a sexual identity.
You've proven my point by throwing Transgender into a seperate category from Gay and Bisexual.
I do not see any category that unites these things, but that doesn't also include other sexual "deviants." I note you've previously said you don't disagree with me though, so i'll wait for someone elses answer.

There's an exclusionary category of "things that aren't fetishes."

And saying that furries are a personal identity on the level of transgenderism is offensive to transgenders unless you're going to agree with the troll argument that it's possible to identify as a different species.

I've been told by furries that they have a personal identity and fursona.
I'm not going to doubt them, and you are being prejudiced to say that.
I could just as well say
"It's a troll argument to say you can identify as a different gender."

[Olthar]

Both challenge the idea that people born with a penis exclusively have sex with people born with a vagina.

Ok.
Now, is that a particularly important thing to be fighting for?
Especially when sexual liberation parades is an option on the table.

For an analogy, this would be akin to a Hispanic rights movement in the slave-era of the united states who pointedly ignored black people and their rights.
All the while, ignoring that racism is the problem. Not "Racism against hispanic people."

The problem isn't discrimination against homosexuals and transgendered individuals, it's with sexual prudism and the notion that somebody has the right to tell others what to do with their sex life if all involved are consenting.

There is a difference, though, and the two are not mutually linked. One can have a society that approves of LGBT individuals but is still highly prudish, and you can have a society that is very sexually liberated but still oppresses LGBT individuals. Sexual liberation is a noble goal, and there's no reason why it couldn't be link with an LGBT movement, but there is still an intrinsic difference between them, and right now, America is only focusing on LGBT rights.

[Sommorragh]

So there is no category then.
I'd also argue that furry can be a sexual identity.
You've proven my point by throwing Transgender into a seperate category from Gay and Bisexual.
I do not see any category that unites these things, but that doesn't also include other sexual "deviants." I note you've previously said you don't disagree with me though, so i'll wait for someone elses answer.

LGBT people challenge the idea that people born with a penis exclusively have sex with people born with a vagina.

.... They're not challenging anything, LGBT have been prevalent throughout history.

[Ostroeuropa]

Ok.
Now, is that a particularly important thing to be fighting for?
Especially when sexual liberation parades is an option on the table.

For an analogy, this would be akin to a Hispanic rights movement in the slave-era of the united states who pointedly ignored black people and their rights.
All the while, ignoring that racism is the problem. Not "Racism against hispanic people."

The problem isn't discrimination against homosexuals and transgendered individuals, it's with sexual prudism and the notion that somebody has the right to tell others what to do with their sex life if all involved are consenting.

There is a difference, though, and the two are not mutually linked. One can have a society that approves of LGBT individuals but is still highly prudish, and you can have a society that is very sexually liberated but still oppresses LGBT individuals. Sexual liberation is a noble goal, and there's no reason why it couldn't be link with an LGBT movement, but there is still an intrinsic difference between them, and right now, America is only focusing on LGBT rights.

I'm not sure such societies would actually be possible. By it's nature, prudism when it starts to actual dominate society typically restricts sex down to only what is necessary to continue the species. LGBT's get shafted by that, yes.
And a sexually liberated society, provided the mantra of "Sex between consenting adults is always acceptable." were part of that sexual liberation, simply couldn't justify being anti-LGBT.

Back on the Furry thing, what you need to remember is you think it's offensive that someone identifies as furry.
That is precisely the same bigotry that someone feels against gays.
"You mean to say they are going around lying and saying they love their boyfriends as much as I love my wife? Fuck."
They feel offended too.

Why the hell are you guys always getting offended, it's none of your business.
Someone identifies as a furry as a sexual identity.
So what.