What is the gender of nationstates

[Condunum]

Gay people are told they aren't allowed to fulfill their sexual urges.
Straight people are also told this.
If the gay pride parade means anything at all, it's a parade about being open with your sexuality and in celebration of exploration and experimentation followed by self-discovery, as well as an endorsement of tolerance of other sexualities.

Suppose a straight person underwent a self-explorative process and experimented with their sexuality, knowing full well that doing so went against societal bigotry and such, and did it anyway to discover themselves.
Then they find out they are straight.

What about that process and the discovery at the end alters if you discover you are gay? (Other than the, you know, being gay or straight.)
I'd prefer the gay pride parades be labeled sexuality pride parades.

Actually, in modern countries everyone is told to fulfill sexual urges. Especially straight people.

well, they aren't even called Gay Pride parades, just Pride parades.

No, they aren't told that. In fact, we're all still told very much the opposite.

[Ostroeuropa]

Gay people are told they aren't allowed to fulfill their sexual urges.
Straight people are also told this.
If the gay pride parade means anything at all, it's a parade about being open with your sexuality and in celebration of exploration and experimentation followed by self-discovery, as well as an endorsement of tolerance of other sexualities.

Suppose a straight person underwent a self-explorative process and experimented with their sexuality, knowing full well that doing so went against societal bigotry and such, and did it anyway to discover themselves.
Then they find out they are straight.

What about that process and the discovery at the end alters if you discover you are gay? (Other than the, you know, being gay or straight.)
I'd prefer the gay pride parades be labeled sexuality pride parades.

Actually, in modern countries everyone is told to fulfill sexual urges. Especially straight people.

well, they aren't even called Gay Pride parades, just Pride parades.

And that's my point. I expanded on it above.
But we aren't told that.

[Empires Empire]

I said part of what defines a person. A person is the some of their parts, and part of a person is who they are sexually attracted to. Also please answer my question about whether you know why the pride parades came into existence.

I do, but they're outdated now. If you want to fight for equal rights, there's lots of places to do that which would be a better use of time and expenses. Like say, in countries where they actually are hurting people over this stuff.

And yet, when asked explicitly if you'd support a straight pride parade you said no.
Despite the fact straight people also suffer oppression at the hands of prudes.

I'm Just not a fan of the concept of it at all, wouldn't want counterbalancing "straight parades" as they seem equally divisive in modern Western society.

Go have a pride parade in Saudi Arabia then. You'll want to be bringing tanks and jet fighters to that one. THAT I'll call courageous as hell and probably even show up to and help.

So it doesn't mean anything unless you're going out of your way to risk being executed. Yeah, okay.

Pretty much, you seem all too willing to do such in places where you're not actually fighting real oppression, and yet completely unwilling to say anything at all to real evil people who are actually massacring people for the very rights you want to defend. Most of the supposedly "liberal" and "civil rights loving" crowd these days are all too happy to suck up to cultures like the Saudis and Iranians and your various other archaic oppressors because they're afraid of them. That's right, I said it, afraid. That and their mouthpiece masters who are bought and paid for shills tell them that such cultures are just great and the evil right-wing types are the bad ones. Funny, George Bush never tried to kill all the gay people, but hes sooo evil, and yet the Islamic states mandate having gays tortured and killed in all their countries whenever found, but are SUPER GOOD FREEDOM FIGHTER #1! Same goes for all those other repressive psychotic areas. The whole thing confuses me.

On that note, seriously, I'm starving to death, I'm out of here. Somebody call me when you guys want to like, actually fight for freedom versus real oppressors, by the way, I'm in for that one.

[Arkinesia]

That is of course more reflective of your desire to artifically maintain an either/or binary rather than an argument based on evience.

Whatever.

Oh my god you're as bad as a fucking 12-year-old.

[Kvatchdom]

Actually, in modern countries everyone is told to fulfill sexual urges. Especially straight people.

well, they aren't even called Gay Pride parades, just Pride parades.

No, they aren't told that. In fact, we're all still told very much the opposite.

Where do you live? Down in Finland, where the people are more quiet than owls in the daylight are taught to do what they can to not supress their sexuality, and everything they can to fulfill their sexual needs. Hell, our Sex Ed teaches us how to attract people and what attraction is.

[Ostroeuropa]

I said part of what defines a person. A person is the some of their parts, and part of a person is who they are sexually attracted to. Also please answer my question about whether you know why the pride parades came into existence.

I do, but they're outdated now. If you want to fight for equal rights, there's lots of places to do that which would be a better use of time and expenses. Like say, in countries where they actually are hurting people over this stuff.

And yet, when asked explicitly if you'd support a straight pride parade you said no.
Despite the fact straight people also suffer oppression at the hands of prudes.

I'm Just not a fan of the concept of it at all, wouldn't want counterbalancing "straight parades" as they seem equally divisive in modern Western society.

So it doesn't mean anything unless you're going out of your way to risk being executed. Yeah, okay.

Pretty much, you seem all too willing to do such in places where you're not actually fighting real oppression, and yet completely unwilling to say anything at all to real evil people who are actually massacring people for the very rights you want to defend. Most of the supposedly "liberal" and "civil rights loving" crowd these days are all too happy to suck up to cultures like the Saudis and Iranians and your various other archaic oppressors because they're afraid of them. That's right, I said it, afraid. That and their mouthpiece masters who are bought and paid for shills tell them that such cultures are just great and the evil right-wing types are the bad ones. Funny, George Bush never tried to kill all the gay people, but hes sooo evil, and yet the Islamic states mandate having gays tortured and killed in all their countries whenever found, but are SUPER GOOD FREEDOM FIGHTER #1! Same goes for all those other repressive psychotic areas. The whole thing confuses me.

On that note, seriously, I'm starving to death, I'm out of here. Somebody call me when you guys want to like, actually fight for freedom versus real oppressors, by the way, I'm in for that one.

I don't support a straight pride parade either, for the same reasons I oppose an explicitly gay pride parade.
I'd prefer they be sexuality pride parades and welcoming of anyone who has experimented with their sexuality, discovered their sexuality, and is tolerant of others and their sexuality.

There is no functional difference in the prejudice a gay person suffers and a straight furry, yet some people would insist the latter has no place in a pride parade.
I suspect if we allowed absolutely every deviance from the "Missionary sex through bedsheets whenever you are both fertile." method of sex, absolutely everyone could get involved.
By expanding the pride parade to include all """Deviant""" sexualities and not giving this weird vibe of "It's for gays, bi's and lesbians" we can make actual progress in making people realize how none of it actually matters.

[Olthar]

The Gay Pride parade is mainly for the cause of promoting needed equality, not to promote actual pride of being gay.

The genius in this thread is overwhelming me.

Gay people are told they aren't allowed to fulfill their sexual urges.
Straight people are also told this. (They just have a loophole that is grudgingly given to them. But first we gotta cut off a bit of your foreskin to make it as shit as possible, and also we might hack off the clitoris too.)
If the gay pride parade means anything at all, it's a parade about being open with your sexuality and in celebration of exploration and experimentation followed by self-discovery, as well as an endorsement of tolerance of other sexualities.

Suppose a straight person underwent a self-explorative process and experimented with their sexuality, knowing full well that doing so went against societal bigotry and such, and did it anyway to discover themselves.
Then they find out they are straight.

What about that process and the discovery at the end alters if you discover you are gay? (Other than the, you know, being gay or straight.)
I'd prefer the gay pride parades be labeled sexuality pride parades.
Would the gay pride parade welcome straight furries?
If not, why not.
How about BDSM people?
It's these kinds of questions that make the concept of an explicitly "Gays, lesbians and bisexuals only" parade a complete farce.
Hence why I prefer to see them as sexuality parades.

Pride parades are about equality, not sexual liberation. If you want the latter, join a hippie parade.

[Condunum]

No, they aren't told that. In fact, we're all still told very much the opposite.

Where do you live? Down in Finland, where the people are more quiet than owls in the daylight are taught to do what they can to not supress their sexuality, and everything they can to fulfill their sexual needs. Hell, our Sex Ed teaches us how to attract people and what attraction is.

America, land of the prudes.

I said part of what defines a person. A person is the some of their parts, and part of a person is who they are sexually attracted to. Also please answer my question about whether you know why the pride parades came into existence.

I do, but they're outdated now. If you want to fight for equal rights, there's lots of places to do that which would be a better use of time and expenses. Like say, in countries where they actually are hurting people over this stuff.

And yet, when asked explicitly if you'd support a straight pride parade you said no.
Despite the fact straight people also suffer oppression at the hands of prudes.

I'm Just not a fan of the concept of it at all, wouldn't want counterbalancing "straight parades" as they seem equally divisive in modern Western society.

So it doesn't mean anything unless you're going out of your way to risk being executed. Yeah, okay.

Pretty much, you seem all too willing to do such in places where you're not actually fighting real oppression, and yet completely unwilling to say anything at all to real evil people who are actually massacring people for the very rights you want to defend. Most of the supposedly "liberal" and "civil rights loving" crowd these days are all too happy to suck up to cultures like the Saudis and Iranians and your various other archaic oppressors because they're afraid of them. That's right, I said it, afraid. That and their mouthpiece masters who are bought and paid for shills tell them that such cultures are just great and the evil right-wing types are the bad ones. Funny, George Bush never tried to kill all the gay people, but hes sooo evil, and yet the Islamic states mandate having gays tortured and killed in all their countries whenever found, but are SUPER GOOD FREEDOM FIGHTER #1! Same goes for all those other repressive psychotic areas. The whole thing confuses me.

On that note, seriously, I'm starving to death, I'm out of here. Somebody call me when you guys want to like, actually fight for freedom versus real oppressors, by the way, I'm in for that one.

Yes, god forbid I fight for my right to marry in my own country.

[Neutraligon]

I said part of what defines a person. A person is the some of their parts, and part of a person is who they are sexually attracted to. Also please answer my question about whether you know why the pride parades came into existence.

I do, but they're outdated now. If you want to fight for equal rights, there's lots of places to do that which would be a better use of time and expenses. Like say, in countries where they actually are hurting people over this stuff.

Pride parades are about more than equal rights. pride parades are about showing people there is no reason to be ashamed of being LGBT. They are about living with your sexuality and not being ashamed of it, despite what many in society have to say. Oh also, we don't have equal rights, not yet.

[Ostroeuropa]

Gay people are told they aren't allowed to fulfill their sexual urges.
Straight people are also told this. (They just have a loophole that is grudgingly given to them. But first we gotta cut off a bit of your foreskin to make it as shit as possible, and also we might hack off the clitoris too.)
If the gay pride parade means anything at all, it's a parade about being open with your sexuality and in celebration of exploration and experimentation followed by self-discovery, as well as an endorsement of tolerance of other sexualities.

Suppose a straight person underwent a self-explorative process and experimented with their sexuality, knowing full well that doing so went against societal bigotry and such, and did it anyway to discover themselves.
Then they find out they are straight.

What about that process and the discovery at the end alters if you discover you are gay? (Other than the, you know, being gay or straight.)
I'd prefer the gay pride parades be labeled sexuality pride parades.
Would the gay pride parade welcome straight furries?
If not, why not.
How about BDSM people?
It's these kinds of questions that make the concept of an explicitly "Gays, lesbians and bisexuals only" parade a complete farce.
Hence why I prefer to see them as sexuality parades.

Pride parades are about equality, not sexual liberation. If you want the latter, join a hippie parade.

Liberation is a form of equality.
For one thing, how do you propose to ever make headway in a society if it's sexually repressed?
Surprisingly, people are pretty spiteful. If your neighbour is a straight BDSM person and is sexually repressed, they are far more likely to say
"No, fuck the gays. They can't get married, if i have to obey the rules then so do they."
In addition, with mass parades including all types of sexuality equally, it sends a much more positive message about equality than
"We have our own special parades because we are different."

[Neutraligon]

Pride parades are about equality, not sexual liberation. If you want the latter, join a hippie parade.

Liberation is a form of equality.
For one thing, how do you propose to ever make headway in a society if it's sexually repressed?
Surprisingly, people are pretty spiteful. If your neighbour is a straight BDSM person and is sexually repressed, they are far more likely to say
"No, fuck the gays. They can't get married, if i have to obey the rules then so do they."

hey have fun with your pride parade, who am I to say no.

[Kvatchdom]

Where do you live? Down in Finland, where the people are more quiet than owls in the daylight are taught to do what they can to not supress their sexuality, and everything they can to fulfill their sexual needs. Hell, our Sex Ed teaches us how to attract people and what attraction is.

America, land of the prudes.

I see... Well, I don't count America as a modern nation then

[Olthar]

Pride parades are about equality, not sexual liberation. If you want the latter, join a hippie parade.

Liberation is a form of equality.
For one thing, how do you propose to ever make headway in a society if it's sexually repressed?
Surprisingly, people are pretty spiteful. If your neighbour is a straight BDSM person and is sexually repressed, they are far more likely to say
"No, fuck the gays. They can't get married, if i have to obey the rules then so do they."
In addition, with mass parades including all types of sexuality equally, it sends a much more positive message about equality than
"We have our own special parades because we are different."

I'm not saying I disagree with you. I'm just saying you're misappropriating the purpose of pride parades.

[Condunum]

America, land of the prudes.

I see... Well, I don't count America as a modern nation then

You're one of a few who do... It's a modern nation with backwards tendencies. Likewise, Finland has it's own very backwards tendencies.

[Ostroeuropa]

Liberation is a form of equality.
For one thing, how do you propose to ever make headway in a society if it's sexually repressed?
Surprisingly, people are pretty spiteful. If your neighbour is a straight BDSM person and is sexually repressed, they are far more likely to say
"No, fuck the gays. They can't get married, if i have to obey the rules then so do they."
In addition, with mass parades including all types of sexuality equally, it sends a much more positive message about equality than
"We have our own special parades because we are different."

I'm not saying I disagree with you. I'm just saying you're misappropriating the purpose of pride parades.

So it's a completely ineffective method of campaigning that wastes everyones time.
But at least it's fun, unlike other completely ineffective campaign methods that wastes everyones time and are boring, so at least i'll give it that.
I do not know of a single person who's vote or opinion on homosexuality or bisexuality has been altered by a pride parade, except into the "Bad" direction.
"Them faggits started being out in public with their faggitry!"
VS
"Woo! Go gays!" (The type of person who always would have voted for equality anyway.)


Whereas, if you can get billy bob to jump on the bandwagon so he can dress up like a chipmunk, and he gets his friend Billy Hill to represent the BDSM folks, and for them to identify their cause with yours, suddenly you might actually change votes.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Male to Female transsexual. Post-op to boot.

I'm now straight

Yeah, screw the rest of us who can't/don't want surgery! Sexuality is about genitals, nothing more!

Good lord.

So what you're saying is that it's wrong that Obrenovacia has found happiness because she's in a different situation to you and has a different sexuality/gender identity to you.

Hmm.

[Olthar]

I'm not saying I disagree with you. I'm just saying you're misappropriating the purpose of pride parades.

So it's a completely ineffective method of campaigning that wastes everyones time.
But at least it's fun, unlike other completely ineffective campaign methods that wastes everyones time and are boring, so at least i'll give it that.

Again, I'm not saying I disagree with you, but going to a gay pride parade and talking about furries is like going to a black pride rally and talking about the ethnic differences between Mexicans and Puerto Ricans.

[Kvatchdom]

I see... Well, I don't count America as a modern nation then

You're one of a few who do... It's a modern nation with backwards tendencies. Likewise, Finland has it's own very backwards tendencies.

Yeap. But America having the largest death by birth ratio, smallest literacy rate and the worst healthcare and education systems in the modern world clear out Finland's un-ableness of voting a perfectly good gay presidential candidate in because of his boyfriend.

[Ostroeuropa]

So it's a completely ineffective method of campaigning that wastes everyones time.
But at least it's fun, unlike other completely ineffective campaign methods that wastes everyones time and are boring, so at least i'll give it that.

Again, I'm not saying I disagree with you, but going to a gay pride parade and talking about furries is like going to a black pride rally and talking about the ethnic differences between Mexicans and Puerto Ricans.

So you mean, an effective pride parade.
If the civil rights movement hadn't brought other ethnic minorities under the "Black" umbrella and turned it into, you know, a civil rights movement, it would have stalled like it had in the past.

[Condunum]

You're one of a few who do... It's a modern nation with backwards tendencies. Likewise, Finland has it's own very backwards tendencies.

Yeap. But America having the largest death by birth ratio,

Source? Not contending, but source?

smallest literacy rate

Yeah, fuck us and out 99% literacy rate.

and the worst healthcare

Debatable.

and education systems

Also debatable.

[Olthar]

Again, I'm not saying I disagree with you, but going to a gay pride parade and talking about furries is like going to a black pride rally and talking about the ethnic differences between Mexicans and Puerto Ricans.

So you mean, an effective pride parade.
If the civil rights movement hadn't brought other ethnic minorities under the "Black" umbrella and turned it into, you know, a civil rights movement, it would have stalled like it had in the past.

*Shrug*

I don't know why you're still acting like I'm arguing with you. I've explicitly said twice now that I don't disagree. You're just being divisive now.

[Nadkor]

Yeah, screw the rest of us who can't/don't want surgery! Sexuality is about genitals, nothing more!

Good lord.

So what you're saying is that it's wrong that Obrenovacia has found happiness because she's in a different situation to you and has a different sexuality/gender identity to you.

Hmm.

I'm honestly baffled as to how you read TSM's post and reached the conclusion that that was what she was saying.

Like, honestly. Baffled.

[Ostroeuropa]

So you mean, an effective pride parade.
If the civil rights movement hadn't brought other ethnic minorities under the "Black" umbrella and turned it into, you know, a civil rights movement, it would have stalled like it had in the past.

*Shrug*

I don't know why you're still acting like I'm arguing with you. I've explicitly said twice now that I don't disagree. You're just being divisive now.

I'm not specifically addressing you, to be honest. Sorry if my tone came off wrong.
It just really gets on my nerves that the people who organize these parades don't seem to understand what they are doing

[Nadkor]

*Shrug*

I don't know why you're still acting like I'm arguing with you. I've explicitly said twice now that I don't disagree. You're just being divisive now.

I'm not specifically addressing you, to be honest. Sorry if my tone came off wrong.
It just really gets on my nerves that the people who organize these parades don't seem to understand what they are doing

From your posts in this thread it's much more the case that it gets on your nerves you don't understand what they're doing.

[Olthar]

*Shrug*

I don't know why you're still acting like I'm arguing with you. I've explicitly said twice now that I don't disagree. You're just being divisive now.

I'm not specifically addressing you, to be honest. Sorry if my tone came off wrong.
It just really gets on my nerves that the people who organize these parades don't seem to understand what they are doing

Perhaps. I'm not really one to complain, though. The continued existence of sexual repression does work in my favor after all, even if the world would be a better place without it.