What is the gender of nationstates

[Sommorragh]

Yep, and that's bad. Same kinda bad as killing people for their religious practices, or their love of quiche. Openly defying oppression is courageous, I'll give them that one. They're not courageous for liking to have a different kind of sex, they're being courageous by defying unjust oppression, and the reason for said oppression doesn't matter. However, in a free country? Nobody cares. Unless they're somehow having different kinda weird sex while saving 40 schoolkids from a burning building, now THAT I could see them getting a pat on the back and a medal for.

People should just be themselves and shut up about it already. I'm just sick of the LOOK AT ME! generation thinking anything not within the status quo they do makes them a special snowflake. I don't care if someone is having sex with a tree or whatever. Why does that define them and their personality anyhow? How would I look if I constantly ran around shouting "OMG EVERYONE I LIKE TO HAVE SEX WITH GIRLS, LOOK AT ME, SOMEONE GIVE ME A MEDAL AND TALK ABOUT HOW COURAGEOUS I COME TO SAY SO ON TV." and wore some stupid t-shirt that says I ♥ PUSSY. I'd look like an attention whore, wouldn't I. Yes, I would.

I wonder how you might look if you were to show up in a thread that has nothing to do with gay pride parades, start complaining about gay pride parades, and then attribute them to attention seeking. You might just look like a gigantic hypocrite.

Let him/her be, Empire voiced his opinion that he simply thought that nobody should care who is shagging who. He came to the wrong thread and made a valid argument.

[Neutraligon]

I wonder how you might look if you were to show up in a thread that has nothing to do with gay pride parades, start complaining about gay pride parades, and then attribute them to attention seeking. You might just look like a gigantic hypocrite.

Let him/her be, Empire voiced his opinion that he simply thought that nobody should care who is shagging who. He came to the wrong thread and made a valid argument.

How is it a valid argument if it has nothing to do with the discussion?

[Empires Empire]

However, in a free country?

Except that America is not a free country, and we are still very much oppressed. We do not have equal rights. That's why we continue to fight.

I don't see the US government rounding up gays for extermination or putting them in prison. Besides the point is the issue of civil marriage, it shouldn't even exist at all. People only do that for tax purposes and such. A piece of paper from a courthouse does not make a couple, they make that themselves. Marriage was a religious concept that's just been taken as a requisite because even non-religious people still have their mindsets totally influenced by the religious establishment, that something like a marriage would be necessary. Leave it to the churches. Oh wait, you just want a tax break you say? Thought so. Nobody should be getting free stuff just for forming some monogamous coupling. What about equal rights for people who just don't want to get married and find it offensive that I have to pay more than a couple who does so just because I don't believe it should be required of me? Marriage itself is a coercive and offensive form of oppression, that it's required to advance in many business and political and social circles as a sign of "Stability" and that it's a way to cheapen expenses because its somehow required to not have to pay extra prices on many services.

[Neutraligon]

Except that America is not a free country, and we are still very much oppressed. We do not have equal rights. That's why we continue to fight.

I don't see the US government rounding up gays for extermination or putting them in prison. Besides the point is the issue of civil marriage, it shouldn't even exist at all. People only do that for tax purposes and such. A piece of paper from a courthouse does not make a couple, they make that themselves. Marriage was a religious concept that's just been taken as a requisite because even non-religious people still have their mindsets totally influenced by the religious establishment, that something like a marriage would be necessary. Leave it to the churches. Oh wait, you just want a tax break you say? Thought so. Nobody should be getting free stuff just for forming some monogamous coupling. What about equal rights for people who just don't want to get married and find it offensive that I have to pay more than a couple who does so just because I don't believe it should be required of me? Marriage itself is a coercive and offensive form of oppression, that it's required to advance in many business and political and social circles as a sign of "Stability" and that it's a way to cheapen expenses because its somehow required to not have to pay extra prices on many services.

Marriage is not the discussion here. Don't threadjack.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Why homosexuals? Why not heterosexuals?

Why ? I don´t know why, but I know the why NOT : because no real hetero male would ever dream of becoming a girl, that´s why. We love them too much for that.

Snorts.

All the gay trans folk are sitting back and laughing, I assure you.

[Empires Empire]

I wonder how you might look if you were to show up in a thread that has nothing to do with gay pride parades, start complaining about gay pride parades, and then attribute them to attention seeking. You might just look like a gigantic hypocrite.

Actually my point is that people are always discussing their sexual orientation like its a culture and like it defines them, which only puts them all further apart from each other, and that these things are individual and private matters on the same level as what you had for breakfast this morning. Except the obsession over typecasting yourselves in this category is what is adding fuel to the fire for the continued social backlash you'll see out of busybodies who cant keep their nose in their own business, as well as just being innane.

I believe my point is now made, return to your regularly scheduled programming.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Well, it´s all a bit confusing, I must admit.
Maybe there should be a way of getting people to wear armbands, identifying them by what they are.
Just to keep things simple.

Maybe some kind of badge on their clothing?

How about a tattoo on their foreheads?

[Olthar]

Except that America is not a free country, and we are still very much oppressed. We do not have equal rights. That's why we continue to fight.

I don't see the US government rounding up gays for extermination or putting them in prison. Besides the point is the issue of civil marriage, it shouldn't even exist at all. People only do that for tax purposes and such. A piece of paper from a courthouse does not make a couple, they make that themselves. Marriage was a religious concept that's just been taken as a requisite because even non-religious people still have their mindsets totally influenced by the religious establishment, that something like a marriage would be necessary. Leave it to the churches. Oh wait, you just want a tax break you say? Thought so. Nobody should be getting free stuff just for forming some monogamous coupling. What about equal rights for people who just don't want to get married and find it offensive that I have to pay more than a couple who does so just because I don't believe it should be required of me? Marriage itself is a coercive and offensive form of oppression, that it's required to advance in many business and political and social circles as a sign of "Stability" and that it's a way to cheapen expenses because its somehow required to not have to pay extra prices on many services.

Oooookay. I'm just going to go over here and talk to someone else now. You have fun in your little...whatever this is....

[Neutraligon]

I wonder how you might look if you were to show up in a thread that has nothing to do with gay pride parades, start complaining about gay pride parades, and then attribute them to attention seeking. You might just look like a gigantic hypocrite.

Actually my point is that people are always discussing their sexual orientation like its a culture and like it defines them, which only puts them all further apart from each other, and that these things are individual and private matters on the same level as what you had for breakfast this morning. Except the obsession over typecasting yourselves in this category is what is adding fuel to the fire for the continued social backlash you'll see out of busybodies who cant keep their nose in their own business, as well as just being innane.

I believe my point is now made, return to your regularly scheduled programming.

The question was about sex and sexual orientation, so we are discussing it. Discussing it means people will be more likely to understand those who have a sexual orientation different from their own which in turn can lead to acceptance and in turn to equality. Sexual orientation is one of the things that defines a person. Oh a runner. Never did answer my question.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Maybe some kind of badge on their clothing?

How about a tattoo on their foreheads?

Nah, that's way too oppressive. Just publicly humiliate them and/or force people to wear markers showing their 23rd pair (or otherwise) of chromosomes.

Because we care, and it's about being caring and compassionate.

EDIT: Oh, and privately-funded propaganda campaigns to indoctrinate the children.

[Olthar]

Why ? I don´t know why, but I know the why NOT : because no real hetero male would ever dream of becoming a girl, that´s why. We love them too much for that.

Snorts.

All the gay trans folk are sitting back and laughing, I assure you.

I'm not. I'm more sighing, really.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Male to Female transsexual. Post-op to boot.

I'm now straight

Yeah, screw the rest of us who can't/don't want surgery! Sexuality is about genitals, nothing more!

Good lord.

[Condunum]

Actually my point is that people are always discussing their sexual orientation like its a culture and like it defines them, which only puts them all further apart from each other, and that these things are individual and private matters on the same level as what you had for breakfast this morning. Except the obsession over typecasting yourselves in this category is what is adding fuel to the fire for the continued social backlash you'll see out of busybodies who cant keep their nose in their own business, as well as just being innane.

I believe my point is now made, return to your regularly scheduled programming.

The question was about sex and sexual orientation, so we are discussing it. Discussing it means people will be more likely to understand those who have a sexual orientation different from their own which in turn can lead to acceptance and in turn to equality. Sexual orientation is one of the things that defines a person. Oh a runner. Never did answer my question.

Shocking concept, ain't it?

[The Steel Magnolia]

Edit: Okay, first, yes people over blow the whole thing. But, there are still countries like Ukraine where harboring different sexual practices can get you killed.

Yep, and that's bad. Same kinda bad as killing people for their religious practices, or their love of quiche. Openly defying oppression is courageous, I'll give them that one. They're not courageous for liking to have a different kind of sex, they're being courageous by defying unjust oppression, and the reason for said oppression doesn't matter.

Congratulations! You just answered why pride parades exist.

[Empires Empire]

Sexual orientation is one of the things that defines a person. Oh a runner. Never did answer my question.

Nope just was going to let things return to their original path, chimed in with my 2 cents. I'll say this though, sexual orientation doesn't define a person at all. I can't for the life of me think I'm in any way defined by who I want to sleep with. I find myself to be defined by my character, my ideals, my goals, my achievements, and my failures. Not by the fact that I have some base primal urge in the back of my skull to stick part of myself inside of women. To me, that's like saying I'm defined by my urge to stick air inside my lungs, or to stick water inside of my stomach.

[Condunum]

Sexual orientation is one of the things that defines a person. Oh a runner. Never did answer my question.

Nope just was going to let things return to their original path, chimed in with my 2 cents. I'll say this though, sexual orientation doesn't define a person at all. I can't for the life of me think I'm in any way defined by who I want to sleep with. I find myself to be defined by my character, my ideals, my goals, my achievements, and my failures. Not by the fact that I have some base primal urge in the back of my skull to stick part of myself inside of women. To me, that's like saying I'm defined by my urge to stick air inside my lungs, or to stick water inside of my stomach.

You are defined by those. Derp.

[Empires Empire]

Yep, and that's bad. Same kinda bad as killing people for their religious practices, or their love of quiche. Openly defying oppression is courageous, I'll give them that one. They're not courageous for liking to have a different kind of sex, they're being courageous by defying unjust oppression, and the reason for said oppression doesn't matter.

Congratulations! You just answered why pride parades exist.

Go have a pride parade in Saudi Arabia then. You'll want to be bringing tanks and jet fighters to that one. THAT I'll call courageous as hell and probably even show up to and help.

[Neutraligon]

Sexual orientation is one of the things that defines a person. Oh a runner. Never did answer my question.

Nope just was going to let things return to their original path, chimed in with my 2 cents. I'll say this though, sexual orientation doesn't define a person at all. I can't for the life of me think I'm in any way defined by who I want to sleep with. I find myself to be defined by my character, my ideals, my goals, my achievements, and my failures. Not by the fact that I have some base primal urge in the back of my skull to stick part of myself inside of women. To me, that's like saying I'm defined by my urge to stick air inside my lungs, or to stick water inside of my stomach.

I said part of what defines a person. A person is the some of their parts, and part of a person is who they are sexually attracted to. Also please answer my question about whether you know why the pride parades came into existence.

[Condunum]

Congratulations! You just answered why pride parades exist.

Go have a pride parade in Saudi Arabia then. You'll want to be bringing tanks and jet fighters to that one. THAT I'll call courageous as hell and probably even show up to and help.

So it doesn't mean anything unless you're going out of your way to risk being executed. Yeah, okay.

[Ostroeuropa]

Yep, and that's bad. Same kinda bad as killing people for their religious practices, or their love of quiche. Openly defying oppression is courageous, I'll give them that one. They're not courageous for liking to have a different kind of sex, they're being courageous by defying unjust oppression, and the reason for said oppression doesn't matter.

Congratulations! You just answered why pride parades exist.

And yet, when asked explicitly if you'd support a straight pride parade you said no.
Despite the fact straight people also suffer oppression at the hands of prudes.


As for the poll, I recognize including all options is not feasible so i'm not mad.

I'm bisexual and do not have a gender identity.

[Empires Empire]

You are defined by those. Derp.

Only in the most base and uninteresting sense. When will society move past such basics and concern itself with people's real essence? I'd rather see people with a tag under their posts saying "I'm a great piano player!" or "Writing a great book!" than "I like to have sex with ______". Suppose I'm just musing on the fact that even when someone believes they're liberating themselves from society's oppressive trappings, they're still being defined and typecast by them as though they're some sort of counter-culture or other such subclass.

Now really, I'm hungry and I had no intention on turning this into a full page of me contemplating such issues. I'm gonna go get some dinner and beer.

[Kvatchdom]

Congratulations! You just answered why pride parades exist.

And yet, when asked explicitly if you'd support a straight pride parade you said no.
Despite the fact straight people also suffer oppression at the hands of prudes.

The Gay Pride parade is mainly for the cause of promoting needed equality, not to promote actual pride of being gay.

The genius in this thread is overwhelming me.

[Condunum]

You are defined by those. Derp.

Only in the most base and uninteresting sense. When will society move past such basics and concern itself with people's real essence? I'd rather see people with a tag under their posts saying "I'm a great piano player!" or "Writing a great book!" than "I like to have sex with ______". Suppose I'm just musing on the fact that even when someone believes they're liberating themselves from society's oppressive trappings, they're still being defined and typecast by them as though they're some sort of counter-culture or other such subclass.

Now really, I'm hungry and I had no intention on turning this into a full page of me contemplating such issues. I'm gonna go get some dinner and beer.

Good for you. Come back when you actually grasp the concept of why pride parades exist, and all this is happening.

[Ostroeuropa]

And yet, when asked explicitly if you'd support a straight pride parade you said no.
Despite the fact straight people also suffer oppression at the hands of prudes.

The Gay Pride parade is mainly for the cause of promoting needed equality, not to promote actual pride of being gay.

The genius in this thread is overwhelming me.

Gay people are told they aren't allowed to fulfill their sexual urges.
Straight people are also told this. (They just have a loophole that is grudgingly given to them. But first we gotta cut off a bit of your foreskin to make it as shit as possible, and also we might hack off the clitoris too.)
If the gay pride parade means anything at all, it's a parade about being open with your sexuality and in celebration of exploration and experimentation followed by self-discovery, as well as an endorsement of tolerance of other sexualities.

Suppose a straight person underwent a self-explorative process and experimented with their sexuality, knowing full well that doing so went against societal bigotry and such, and did it anyway to discover themselves.
Then they find out they are straight.

What about that process and the discovery at the end alters if you discover you are gay? (Other than the, you know, being gay or straight.)
I'd prefer the gay pride parades be labeled sexuality pride parades.
Would the gay pride parade welcome straight furries?
If not, why not.
How about BDSM people?
It's these kinds of questions that make the concept of an explicitly "Gays, lesbians and bisexuals only" parade a complete farce.
Hence why I prefer to see them as sexuality parades.

[Kvatchdom]

The Gay Pride parade is mainly for the cause of promoting needed equality, not to promote actual pride of being gay.

The genius in this thread is overwhelming me.

Gay people are told they aren't allowed to fulfill their sexual urges.
Straight people are also told this.
If the gay pride parade means anything at all, it's a parade about being open with your sexuality and in celebration of exploration and experimentation followed by self-discovery, as well as an endorsement of tolerance of other sexualities.

Suppose a straight person underwent a self-explorative process and experimented with their sexuality, knowing full well that doing so went against societal bigotry and such, and did it anyway to discover themselves.
Then they find out they are straight.

What about that process and the discovery at the end alters if you discover you are gay? (Other than the, you know, being gay or straight.)
I'd prefer the gay pride parades be labeled sexuality pride parades.

Actually, in modern countries everyone is told to fulfill sexual urges. Especially straight people.

well, they aren't even called Gay Pride parades, just Pride parades.