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What should the legal conditions for abortion be?

Always legal.
142
27%
Legal until the date of expected birth.
24
4%
Legal until the start of the third trimester.
62
12%
Legal until the start of the second trimester.
48
9%
Legal until the fetus can feel pain.
37
7%
Legal until the fetus has brain activity.
51
10%
Legal until the fetus has a heartbeat.
35
7%
Completely illegal, but allow the morning-after pill.
58
11%
Completely illegal and do not allow the morning-after pill.
78
15%
 
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Postby Asuiop » Thu May 30, 2013 8:46 pm

Gotta go, can't argue with you pro-choice people until tomorrow
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu May 30, 2013 8:46 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:You think there would be less drug use if drugs were legalized? :rofl:

You're really bad at wriggling out of backing up your arguments.

I don't know why he always feels the need to rant about liberals, derail the thread, only to be proven wrong immediately.
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Postby Torisakia » Thu May 30, 2013 8:47 pm

Abortion? That's bootleg.

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Postby Frisivisia » Thu May 30, 2013 8:47 pm

Asuiop wrote:Gotta go, can't argue with you pro-choice people until tomorrow

Don't let the door hit the tail between your legs on the way out.
Mavorpen wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:You're really bad at wriggling out of backing up your arguments.

I don't know why he always feels the need to rant about liberals, derail the thread, only to be proven wrong immediately.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu May 30, 2013 8:47 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:No. She's saying that it wouldn't increase if they were legalized. And lo and behold, there's significant evidence to support this.

I'd just like to point out one thing.

"10 g a month (probably 25-35 joints)"

That is a thin fucking joint.

Quiet, degenerate. :p
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Postby Condunum » Thu May 30, 2013 8:48 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Condunum wrote:I'd just like to point out one thing.

"10 g a month (probably 25-35 joints)"

That is a thin fucking joint.

Quiet, degenerate. :p

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Postby Auralia » Thu May 30, 2013 8:48 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Auralia wrote:*snip*

Appeals to authority are stupid and a hallmark of shit debating.

A human being is "A man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens". None of these applies to fetuses or zygotes.


That's ridiculous. A zygote is alive (it fulfills the criteria for the biological definition of life). A zygote is human (it has human DNA). A zygote is an individual (it is the offspring of two human beings, with unique genetic material and with the capacity to develop into a full-grown human being). Therefore, it is quite clearly a human being.

Appeals to authority are only fallacious if they are unaccompanied by additional evidence. I included them to demonstrate that the scientific consensus is against you on this point.
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Postby Frisivisia » Thu May 30, 2013 8:49 pm

Auralia wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Appeals to authority are stupid and a hallmark of shit debating.

A human being is "A man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens". None of these applies to fetuses or zygotes.


That's ridiculous. A zygote is alive (it fulfills the criteria for the biological definition of life). A zygote is human (it has human DNA). A zygote is an individual (it is the offspring of two human beings, with unique genetic material and with the capacity to develop into a full-grown human being). Therefore, it is quite clearly a human being.

Appeals to authority are only fallacious if they are unaccompanied by additional evidence. I included them to demonstrate that the scientific consensus is against you on this point.

A human being is defined as "A man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens". I don't know why you can't get this through your head.
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Postby Asuiop » Thu May 30, 2013 8:49 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Asuiop wrote:Gotta go, can't argue with you pro-choice people until tomorrow

Don't let the door hit the tail between your legs on the way out.
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:rofl: You actually think You won. You see, I actually need something called sleep.
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Postby Olthar » Thu May 30, 2013 8:50 pm

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Frisivisia wrote:Don't let the door hit the tail between your legs on the way out.

:rofl: You actually think You won. You see, I actually need something called sleep.

Sleep is for the weak.
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Postby Frisivisia » Thu May 30, 2013 8:51 pm

Asuiop wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Don't let the door hit the tail between your legs on the way out.

:rofl: You actually think You won. You see, I actually need something called sleep.

I like how you capitalized the word "you" as to express my divinity.
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Postby Condunum » Thu May 30, 2013 8:51 pm

Asuiop wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Don't let the door hit the tail between your legs on the way out.

:rofl: You actually think You won. You see, I actually need something called sleep.

We already won. You just don't remember the war.
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Postby Auralia » Thu May 30, 2013 8:51 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Auralia wrote:
That's ridiculous. A zygote is alive (it fulfills the criteria for the biological definition of life). A zygote is human (it has human DNA). A zygote is an individual (it is the offspring of two human beings, with unique genetic material and with the capacity to develop into a full-grown human being). Therefore, it is quite clearly a human being.

Appeals to authority are only fallacious if they are unaccompanied by additional evidence. I included them to demonstrate that the scientific consensus is against you on this point.

A human being is defined as "A man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens". I don't know why you can't get this through your head.


And is a fetus is a child of the species Homo sapiens. I don't see why you can't get this through your head.
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Postby Condunum » Thu May 30, 2013 8:51 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Asuiop wrote: :rofl: You actually think You won. You see, I actually need something called sleep.

I like how you capitalized the word "you" as to express my divinity.

No one can deny you, Joe.
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Postby Condunum » Thu May 30, 2013 8:51 pm

Auralia wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:A human being is defined as "A man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens". I don't know why you can't get this through your head.


And is a fetus is a child of the species Homo sapiens. I don't see why you can't get this through your head.

Perhaps because it isn't a child.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu May 30, 2013 8:52 pm

Asuiop wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Don't let the door hit the tail between your legs on the way out.

:rofl: You actually think You won. You see, I actually need something called sleep.

The lizard people don't though. Can't you see? That's why they support abortion; so that they can reduce human breeding, and take over. Damn lizard people.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu May 30, 2013 8:52 pm

Auralia wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:A human being is defined as "A man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens". I don't know why you can't get this through your head.


And is a fetus is a child of the species Homo sapiens. I don't see why you can't get this through your head.

A child is born.
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Postby Olthar » Thu May 30, 2013 8:53 pm

Auralia wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:A human being is defined as "A man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens". I don't know why you can't get this through your head.


And is a fetus is a child of the species Homo sapiens. I don't see why you can't get this through your head.

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Postby Auralia » Thu May 30, 2013 8:53 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:
Auralia wrote:
And is a fetus is a child of the species Homo sapiens. I don't see why you can't get this through your head.

A child is born.

No. A child can be unborn.
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Postby Planeia » Thu May 30, 2013 8:54 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Auralia wrote:
That's ridiculous. A zygote is alive (it fulfills the criteria for the biological definition of life). A zygote is human (it has human DNA). A zygote is an individual (it is the offspring of two human beings, with unique genetic material and with the capacity to develop into a full-grown human being). Therefore, it is quite clearly a human being.

Appeals to authority are only fallacious if they are unaccompanied by additional evidence. I included them to demonstrate that the scientific consensus is against you on this point.

A human being is defined as "A man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens". I don't know why you can't get this through your head.


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Postby Atollus » Thu May 30, 2013 8:54 pm

Auralia wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:A child is born.

No. A child can be unborn.


Wait, A child can put shoved back into the womb? Why was I not told of this? Why?
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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu May 30, 2013 8:55 pm

Auralia wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:A child is born.

No. A child can be unborn.

Only in science fiction.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Thu May 30, 2013 8:55 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:You think there would be less drug use if drugs were legalized? :rofl:

No. She's saying that it wouldn't increase if they were legalized. And lo and behold, there's significant evidence to support this.

yay
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Postby Vuzghulia » Thu May 30, 2013 8:56 pm

Is this whole thread basically people just trying to troll the other side of the argument?
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Postby Auralia » Thu May 30, 2013 8:56 pm

Subjective definitions of "child" are ultimately irrelevant to this discussion. I argue that all living human individuals are human beings who have the right to life. Is this an unreasonable definition?
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