So, Abortion.

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

I always hear "It's my body" and "don't violate my body" yet I can't help but wonder why so many women are unaware of their biological functions. If we are going to demand ownership of our bodies, we need to take ownership instead of this ludicrous "I didn't know I was fertile because I don't understand how my body works, and it's HIS fault too because he should know I'm fertile" attitude.

If humans had ass that turned bright red just like apes, then it might be ludicrous to claim ignorance, but humans have a concealed ovulation cycle that is hard to match perfectly. Women often have slightly irregular cycles. Ask women athletes. Why do you think a catholic medical doctor was the first one to invent a hormonal contraceptive? The rhythm method wasn't working well enough for many of the catholics he had known, so he decided to find a way to prevent pregnancy in the first place.

It doesn't take much for a "biologically savvy" woman to prevent pregnancy. It does take willpower, intelligence and being in tune with your body. We also know that "going bareback" is just asking for trouble (with more worry over an STD than over a pregnancy) regardless of whether or not we use other contraceptive methods. As women, it's our responsibility to safeguard ourselves.

Willpower, intelligence, and being in tune with your body is all you need to prevent pregnancy? Well, what a discovery! Do you teach sex education to kids based on that? do you support abstinence-only sex ed programs?

[Dakini]

I always hear "It's my body" and "don't violate my body" yet I can't help but wonder why so many women are unaware of their biological functions. If we are going to demand ownership of our bodies, we need to take ownership instead of this ludicrous "I didn't know I was fertile because I don't understand how my body works, and it's HIS fault too because he should know I'm fertile" attitude.

*sigh*

Clearly every woman has a cycle that runs like clockwork and is never thrown off by excessive stress, illness or whatever else. In addition, clearly every woman who gets pregnant did so by not using some form (or multiple forms) of contraception correctly. Clearly, those women who get pregnant despite taking the best precautions possible to their knowledge are fuckups who do not get to decide what should continue to happen in their bodies.

I mean, I'm not going to say that people shouldn't know about how their bodies work or take all proper precautions and use them correctly because they should. I'm also not going to say that education and access to birth control shouldn't be improved (because they really should). But shit happens, even among people who do take precautions and do know what should be happening in their bodies and there should always be options.

[Dakini]

Apparently his kids are actually the ones who convinced him to go on twitter.

"You didn't want to have three pages of symbols, acronyms and assorted jargon in your thesis, you unknowingly use a lot of them so you're forced to put in a giant list."

Really? RESPECT. Best decision ever made. *nod*

"You didn't want to be silly in a thread about abortion on NationStates General, you unknowingly mocked an asinine argument so much that the thread itself was forced to get sillier and sillier as it went on."

"You didn't mean to stay up until past 2 am on NSG, you unknowingly wandered into an abortion thread that contained something genuinely amusing and were forced to continue it on until you started feeling really tired."

[Individuality-ness]

Really? RESPECT. Best decision ever made. *nod*

"You didn't want to be silly in a thread about abortion on NationStates General, you unknowingly mocked an asinine argument so much that the thread itself was forced to get sillier and sillier as it went on."

"You didn't mean to stay up until past 2 am on NSG, you unknowingly wandered into an abortion thread that contained something genuinely amusing and were forced to continue it on until you started feeling really tired."

"You didn't even mean to post on NSG at all today, you unknowingly wandered into NSG and found something that you wanted to comment on and you were forced to keep posting until the cows go home."

[Suicune]

Since you replied, I'll reply.
It is not the same if a man carried a child. That is not reality. Stop trying to equate it somehow to the reality that women have to carry a child if abortion services are accessible to her in the event of an unwanted pregnancy. You clearly think this is some academic debating matter that man theoretically (according to you) would be as liable as women, but it take two to tango, and your inability to relate to women who have to make difficult decisions regarding abortion is just absolutely disgusting.

Abortion services SHOULD be stopped altogether except in cases of rape and if it will kill her. If those services are around they should be stopped.

Relating to women is irrelevant to this.

Why should they be stopped?

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

Please explain how your legal position is ethical/moral as it would actually impact those rare abortions that occur after 24 weeks of gestation. Remember such procedures are almost always -- if not always -- due to medical necessity or a dead fetus and involve the heartbreaking circumstances of a wanted pregnancy gone wrong.

I don't see how you can argue that an artificial abortion past 24 weeks isn't murder, unless you ascribe to the theory of The Vagina Is A Magical Personhood Portal. I think on an ethical level, any operation carried out to save the life of the mother is right, but I don't know if you can make a legal case for third-trimester, artificial abortion. In fact, in the US, I know that you cannot.

Nice to see that bodily sovereignty means nothing to you.

See above.

I saw. You think I'm an incubator with legs.

[Herador]

I don't see how you can argue that an artificial abortion past 24 weeks isn't murder, unless you ascribe to the theory of The Vagina Is A Magical Personhood Portal. I think on an ethical level, any operation carried out to save the life of the mother is right, but I don't know if you can make a legal case for third-trimester, artificial abortion. In fact, in the US, I know that you cannot.


See above.

I saw. You think I'm an incubator with legs.

Come now, I'm certain you make amazing sandwiches too. [/joke]

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

I always hear "It's my body" and "don't violate my body" yet I can't help but wonder why so many women are unaware of their biological functions. If we are going to demand ownership of our bodies, we need to take ownership instead of this ludicrous "I didn't know I was fertile because I don't understand how my body works, and it's HIS fault too because he should know I'm fertile" attitude.

*sigh*

Clearly every woman has a cycle that runs like clockwork and is never thrown off by excessive stress, illness or whatever else. In addition, clearly every woman who gets pregnant did so by not using some form (or multiple forms) of contraception correctly. Clearly, those women who get pregnant despite taking the best precautions possible to their knowledge are fuckups who do not get to decide what should continue to happen in their bodies.

I mean, I'm not going to say that people shouldn't know about how their bodies work or take all proper precautions and use them correctly because they should. I'm also not going to say that education and access to birth control shouldn't be improved (because they really should). But shit happens, even among people who do take precautions and do know what should be happening in their bodies and there should always be options.

Reduce abortions! Have gay sex!

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

I saw. You think I'm an incubator with legs.

Come now, I'm certain you make amazing sandwiches too. [/joke]

I really don't... I make good stew though.

[Immoren]

I don't see how you can argue that an artificial abortion past 24 weeks isn't murder, unless you ascribe to the theory of The Vagina Is A Magical Personhood Portal. I think on an ethical level, any operation carried out to save the life of the mother is right, but I don't know if you can make a legal case for third-trimester, artificial abortion. In fact, in the US, I know that you cannot.


See above.

I saw. You think I'm an incubator with legs.

And I am not some stud, whose job is to impregnate as many females as possible, but I guess 'Tis for another topic.

Come now, I'm certain you make amazing sandwiches too. [/joke]

I really don't... I make good stew though.

Interdasting...

[Northern Dominus]

Let me teach you something. Just because you can't get some and you are sexually frustrated and asexual, and can't understand why women might want to have sex doesn't mean you can just put all responsibility of unwanted pregnancy on women's shoulders alone. Got it, kid?

I don't want to be taught anything from a person who calls another person "freak" as you did.

Maybe you should consider that when spouting the notion that women are nothing but incubators for what pretty much amounts to either a tumor or a parasite for the majority of it's dependent cycle.
Maybe you should remember that the next time you want to gnash your teeth and rail because women don't want to get pregnant but might like an orgasm every once in awhile.

Unless of course there's a double standard here and women shouldn't receive the same respect or consideration as you for some as of yet unknown reason.

I don't see how you can argue that an artificial abortion past 24 weeks isn't murder, unless you ascribe to the theory of The Vagina Is A Magical Personhood Portal. I think on an ethical level, any operation carried out to save the life of the mother is right, but I don't know if you can make a legal case for third-trimester, artificial abortion. In fact, in the US, I know that you cannot.


See above.

I saw. You think I'm an incubator with legs.

Oh come now, clearly you're more than an incubator with legs. You're also a walking object of fetishistic desire and being called "slut" or "whore" for wearing something more revealing than a burqa is just a sign of admiration right?

[Cameroi]

right now, anything that reduces increase in human population (other then war and genocide, which only have this effect temporarily, which is fallowed by even greater increase) earth and humanity, simply cannot afford to reject. ideally, it would be preferable for conception to be prevented. and a morning after pill universally available for when it is not.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

I saw. You think I'm an incubator with legs.

Oh come now, clearly you're more than an incubator with legs. You're also a walking object of fetishistic desire and being called "slut" or "whore" for wearing something more revealing than a burqa is just a sign of admiration right?

Clearly...

[Northern Dominus]

Oh come now, clearly you're more than an incubator with legs. You're also a walking object of fetishistic desire and being called "slut" or "whore" for wearing something more revealing than a burqa is just a sign of admiration right?

Clearly...

Hell, you have it easy up there on that pedestal, to be admired and fawned over. Never allowed to do anything other than stay on that pedestal of course, you're a woman and clearly unqualified for anything else but acting as an object of fetishistic desire for all while serving as an incubator and rearing party of said child.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

Clearly...

Hell, you have it easy up there on that pedestal, to be admired and fawned over. Never allowed to do anything other than stay on that pedestal of course, you're a woman and clearly unqualified for anything else but acting as an object of fetishistic desire for all while serving as an incubator and rearing party of said child.

The object of fetishistic desire part I'm kinda okay with actually...

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

Clearly...

Hell, you have it easy up there on that pedestal, to be admired and fawned over. Never allowed to do anything other than stay on that pedestal of course, you're a woman and clearly unqualified for anything else but acting as an object of fetishistic desire for all while serving as an incubator and rearing party of said child.

The object of fetishistic desire part I'm kinda okay with actually...

[Northern Dominus]

Hell, you have it easy up there on that pedestal, to be admired and fawned over. Never allowed to do anything other than stay on that pedestal of course, you're a woman and clearly unqualified for anything else but acting as an object of fetishistic desire for all while serving as an incubator and rearing party of said child.

The object of fetishistic desire part I'm kinda okay with actually...

Hmm... might want to re-think not putting a permanent stripper pole and stage in my living room like a friend suggested all of a sudden...

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

The object of fetishistic desire part I'm kinda okay with actually...

Hmm... might want to re-think not putting a permanent stripper pole and stage in my living room like a friend suggested all of a sudden...

If you build it they will come.

[Northern Dominus]

Hmm... might want to re-think not putting a permanent stripper pole and stage in my living room like a friend suggested all of a sudden...

If you build it they will come.

The only problem is I babysit my cousin's kids on a regular basis and I'd have to explain why there's a fire pole in my house that doesn't go anywhere...

[Immoren]

The object of fetishistic desire part I'm kinda okay with actually...

Hmm... might want to re-think not putting a permanent stripper pole and stage in my living room like a friend suggested all of a sudden...

do it friend. ;P

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

If you build it they will come.

The only problem is I babysit my cousin's kids on a regular basis and I'd have to explain why there's a fire pole in my house that doesn't go anywhere...

Tell them that you want to be a fireman(woman?), but you're afraid of heights...

[Northern Dominus]

Hmm... might want to re-think not putting a permanent stripper pole and stage in my living room like a friend suggested all of a sudden...

do it friend. ;P

Hmm... maybe I could move my basement gym into the garage to make way for it...

The only problem is I babysit my cousin's kids on a regular basis and I'd have to explain why there's a fire pole in my house that doesn't go anywhere...

Tell them that you want to be a fireman(woman?, but you're afraid of heights...

Nah, they already know I work at the aquarium. The older one already implored me to "never ever get another job cause mine is so cool"

Might have to just settle for installing mood lighting in the master bedroom/bathroom suite.

[Risottia]

If humans had ass that turned bright red just like apes, then it might be ludicrous to claim ignorance, but humans have a concealed ovulation cycle that is hard to match perfectly. Women often have slightly irregular cycles.

Not only that: there's no 100% guaranteed birth control method except for hysterectomy or ectomy of ovaries (for females) or castration (for males).

Condoms break or slip. Not often but it can happen.
A mere diarrhea can prevent birth control pills from being digested.

[Immoren]

do it friend. ;P

Hmm... maybe I could move my basement gym into the garage to make way for it...

Tell them that you want to be a fireman(woman?, but you're afraid of heights...

Nah, they already know I work at the aquarium. The older one already implored me to "never ever get another job cause mine is so cool"

Might have to just settle for installing mood lighting in the master bedroom/bathroom suite.

pole dancing in non-stripping context is completely legit form of exercise. *nods*

[Grave_n_idle]

Your choice to remain ignorant.

And yes you can put the responsibility of unwanted pregnancy on women, they carry the fetus.

It doesn't just magically appear there.

But you're kind of right, it's her uterus, so she is responsible for it.

Hence, legalised elective abortion.