So, Abortion.

[Vazdania]

Fetuses are in fact human though.

Why does any human get to use another human's body without the second human's consent?

The 2nd human realized that they may get pregnant when they had sex in the first place. Perhaps its not consent, but in fact they realized they may get pregnant in the first place.

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

How is your desire to just outright claim that fetus is a human any more special than my desire to stick to the law of the land and not imbue it with human rights?

I give up! You are all obsessed with legality and court cases and dictionary definitions that you completely ignore the most important part! The Ethics!

Ethics? Ok. Here's a can of worms for you. Do you support voluntary euthanasia?

[Vazdania]

so don't have sex in the first place.

No.

so don't get an abortion then.

[Auralia]

Look, it's not my job to hunt down your arguments in the 200+ search results I get when I search for your nation's name (which, by the way, dd not necessarily include your original posts, only posts in which your name is mentioned).

And it's not my job to explain everything I've already explained.

Well, then, I'm not clear on how you expect to debate with people if you're not willing to actually, you know, present arguments in favour of your position.

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

Why does any human get to use another human's body without the second human's consent?

The 2nd human realized that they may get pregnant when they had sex in the first place. Perhaps its not consent, but in fact they realized they may get pregnant in the first place.

Remember, Vazdania thinks this burden should only be placed on women's shoulders.

[Mavorpen]

Why does any human get to use another human's body without the second human's consent?

Because the first human effectively forced the second human to develop within and completely dependant to the first human.

No they didn't. They didn't force anything.

[Vazdania]

The 2nd human realized that they may get pregnant when they had sex in the first place. Perhaps its not consent, but in fact they realized they may get pregnant in the first place.

Remember, Vazdania thinks this burden should only be placed on women's shoulders.

that's correct. Again its not anti women, but they know that there is a possibility of getting pregnant

[Mavorpen]

And it's not my job to explain everything I've already explained.

Well, then, I'm not clear on how you expect to debate with people if you're not willing to actually, you know, present arguments in favour of your position.

I have. I cited two Supreme Court cases. I answered your questions. I'm not sure what more you want.

[Asuiop]

I give up! You are all obsessed with legality and court cases and dictionary definitions that you completely ignore the most important part! The Ethics!

Ethics? Ok. Here's a can of worms for you. Do you support voluntary euthanasia?

Isn't that effectively suicide? I'm for it if the patient will die within the next year or so.

[Individuality-ness]

No.

so don't get an abortion then.

... That's stupid.

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

No.

so don't get an abortion then.

You should try to mature and become more empathetic to difficulty of choice for women who become pregnant against their desire. They don't willy nilly go around choosing abortion, your flippant attitude notwithstanding.

[Mavorpen]

Remember, Vazdania thinks this burden should only be placed on women's shoulders.

that's correct. Again its not anti women, but they know that there is a possibility of getting pregnant

When you walk outside, do you know there is a possibility you will be stabbed in the neck? This obviously means it's your fault if you get stabbed in the neck and you deserve it.

[Dakini]

1. I'm pretty sure it's not protected by any amendments.
1.a) I don't live in the USA so your amendments are irrelevant to me.

2. Various international treaties recognize women's rights to self-autonomy and reproductive freedom.

If you're going to argue for legal reasons, you might want to make sure that they apply in your case and that there aren't other rules and regulations that support the opposite case more strongly.

Do you have a better reason?

It is a human being, and killing a living human being is wrong, assuming they aren't coming at you with a knife.

I'm not killing a human being, I'm terminating a pregnancy (hypothetically).

Also, it's not coming at me with a knife, it's already violated my body!

[Vazdania]

so don't get an abortion then.

You should try to mature and become more empathetic to difficulty of choice for women who become pregnant against their desire. They don't willy nilly go around choosing abortion, your flippant attitude notwithstanding.

if it were against their desire then its rape and the person who raped them should be put into jail.

[Vazdania]

that's correct. Again its not anti women, but they know that there is a possibility of getting pregnant

When you walk outside, do you know there is a possibility you will be stabbed in the neck? This obviously means it's your fault if you get stabbed in the neck and you deserve it.

yes.

but really I din't consent to being stabbed.

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

Ethics? Ok. Here's a can of worms for you. Do you support voluntary euthanasia?

Isn't that effectively suicide? I'm for it if the patient will die within the next year or so.

So voluntary euthanasia = effectively suicide. Your incisiveness is breathtaking.
Anyways, who gets to determine if the patient will die within the next year or so?

[Auralia]

Well, then, I'm not clear on how you expect to debate with people if you're not willing to actually, you know, present arguments in favour of your position.

I have. I cited two Supreme Court cases. I answered your questions. I'm not sure what more you want.

And I've explained why I believe Supreme Court cases are irrelevant to this discussion, as this is a moral debate, not a legal one. You didn't really address this point.

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

When you walk outside, do you know there is a possibility you will be stabbed in the neck? This obviously means it's your fault if you get stabbed in the neck and you deserve it.

yes.

Where do you live?

[Vazdania]

yes.

Where do you live?

ye olde Idaho

[Asuiop]

It is a human being, and killing a living human being is wrong, assuming they aren't coming at you with a knife.

I'm not killing a human being, I'm terminating a pregnancy (hypothetically).

Also, it's not coming at me with a knife, it's already violated my body!

Terminating pregnancy = abortion = killing fetus = killing human being

It didn't violate your body on purpose, you unknowingly forced it to violate your body.

[Mavorpen]

I have. I cited two Supreme Court cases. I answered your questions. I'm not sure what more you want.

And I've explained why I believe Supreme Court cases are irrelevant to this discussion, as this is a moral debate, not a legal one. You didn't really address this point.

And now you're lying.

Considering "person" is a legal term, you are quite honestly pissing at the wind.

[Dakini]

No.

so don't get an abortion then.

No guarantees. (there should be a winky smiley face that does one of those gun motions with its hand)

I mean, if I never get unexpectedly pregnant, I'll never have an abortion. I'll give you that much. Does that make you feel better? Do you feel like you've got to assert your imagined right to tell me what I should do with my body?

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

Remember, Vazdania thinks this burden should only be placed on women's shoulders.

that's correct. Again its not anti women, but they know that there is a possibility of getting pregnant

Of course, the male whose "help" is needed to get pregnant is completely free of responsibility, am I right?

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

you unknowingly forced it to violate your body.

Do you listen to yourself? Do you know how that sounds?

[Asuiop]

Isn't that effectively suicide? I'm for it if the patient will die within the next year or so.

So voluntary euthanasia = effectively suicide. Your incisiveness is breathtaking.
Anyways, who gets to determine if the patient will die within the next year or so?

The doctor. What does this have to do with abortion?