So, Abortion.

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

I don't believe that consent to sex is consent to pregnancy. The reason why they get different treatment is because consent to sex is consent to risk of pregnancy.

So according to you, wanting sex automatically means the woman is consenting to the risk of pregnancy, but not the pregnancy itself. Therefore, you wouldn't have problem accepting that a woman should have access to abortion in case a pregnancy results from sex, no?

[Auralia]

Roe v. Wade was contingent on the assumption that a fetus is not a person. Do you believe that some human beings are not human persons?

Yes. What a stupid question.

No, it really isn't. You're going to have to clarify that distinction.

[Dakini]

Again, the many of you know my views on abortion.

I don't think that abortion should be legal accept for in cases of rape and if it will kill the mother if she gives birth to it.

A fetus is human, it may not be alive, but it's human and its developing into an individual. I think and believe that we should allow that human the opportunity to develop into an individual. I'm not anti-women, but I can't help but viewing abortion as negative if they so willfully committed an act which has large consequences to it.

....a fetus is a human, unless its mother was raped.

[Mavorpen]

Yes. What a stupid question.

No, it really isn't. You're going to have to clarify that distinction.

It is when you consider that I've stated that at least six times.

[Asuiop]

I don't believe that consent to sex is consent to pregnancy. The reason why they get different treatment is because consent to sex is consent to risk of pregnancy.

So according to you, wanting sex automatically means the woman is consenting to the risk of pregnancy, but not the pregnancy itself. Therefore, you wouldn't have problem accepting that a woman should have access to abortion in case a pregnancy results from sex, no?

Yes, I would have a problem...

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

A fetus is human, it may not be alive, but it's human and its developing into an individual. I think and believe that we should allow that human the opportunity to develop into an individual. I'm not anti-women, but I can't help but viewing abortion as negative if they so willfully committed an act which has large consequences to it.

A "corpse" is human, it may not be alive, but it's human and it "can be revived to be" an individual. I think and believe that we should allow that human the opportunity to "revive to be" an individual. I'm not anti-"casket", but I can't help but viewing "burial" as negative if they so willfully committed an act which has large consequences to it.

[Auralia]

No, it really isn't. You're going to have to clarify that distinction.

It is when you consider that I've stated that at least six times.

Humour me. Please explain why some human beings are not human persons.

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

So according to you, wanting sex automatically means the woman is consenting to the risk of pregnancy, but not the pregnancy itself. Therefore, you wouldn't have problem accepting that a woman should have access to abortion in case a pregnancy results from sex, no?

Yes, I would have a problem...

Let me quote Dakani again.

So how is abortion not an acceptable way to deal with this outcome? Consent to sex is also consent to the risk of getting an STI, but that doesn't mean we keep people from getting some penicillin when they get the clap because they chose to take that risk.

If it's because life is important and every fetus has the right to become a baby, then the rape victim should also be forced to carry to term.

If it's about taking responsibility for your actions, then I ask how is an abortion not taking responsibility? It's not like it's something women do for fun.

[Zweite Alaje]

Again, the many of you know my views on abortion.

I don't think that abortion should be legal accept for in cases of rape and if it will kill the mother if she gives birth to it.

A fetus is human, it may not be alive, but it's human and its developing into an individual. I think and believe that we should allow that human the opportunity to develop into an individual. I'm not anti-women, but I can't help but viewing abortion as negative if they so willfully committed an act which has large consequences to it.

If you believe it is human, then why (without some hocus-pocus Christian explanation) would it be fine to abort a fetus resulting from a rape, but not from consensual sex?

[Vazdania]

A fetus is human, it may not be alive, but it's human and its developing into an individual. I think and believe that we should allow that human the opportunity to develop into an individual. I'm not anti-women, but I can't help but viewing abortion as negative if they so willfully committed an act which has large consequences to it.

A "corpse" is human, it may not be alive, but it's human and it "can be revived to be" an individual. I think and believe that we should allow that human the opportunity to "revive to be" an individual. I'm not anti-"casket", but I can't help but viewing "burial" as negative if they so willfully committed an act which has large consequences to it.

The dead person is not really developing anymore now are they???

[Asuiop]

I don't believe that consent to sex is consent to pregnancy. The reason why they get different treatment is because consent to sex is consent to risk of pregnancy.

So how is abortion not an acceptable way to deal with this outcome? Consent to sex is also consent to the risk of getting an STI, but that doesn't mean we keep people from getting some penicillin when they get the clap because they chose to take that risk.

If it's because life is important and every fetus has the right to become a baby, then the rape victim should also be forced to carry to term.

If it's about taking responsibility for your actions, then I ask how is an abortion not taking responsibility? It's not like it's something women do for fun.

And this is why I was wary of answering the rape question... Okay, the rape victim must be forced to carry the term. Since that kind of legislation will never, and I mean never, get passed, I support the allowing of rape abortions purely to get an anti-abortion bill passed. Better to stop most abortions rather than none..

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

So according to you, wanting sex automatically means the woman is consenting to the risk of pregnancy, but not the pregnancy itself. Therefore, you wouldn't have problem accepting that a woman should have access to abortion in case a pregnancy results from sex, no?

Yes, I would have a problem...

So even though you are fine with delineating consent to sex as consenting to risk of pregnancy but not pregnancy itself, if a pregnancy results from said sex, you are just absolutely certain that there must be no abortion. Why draw a fine distinction between consenting to risk of pregnancy but not pregnancy itself then in the first place?

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

A "corpse" is human, it may not be alive, but it's human and it "can be revived to be" an individual. I think and believe that we should allow that human the opportunity to "revive to be" an individual. I'm not anti-"casket", but I can't help but viewing "burial" as negative if they so willfully committed an act which has large consequences to it.

The dead person is not really developing anymore now are they???

They can be revived. Or are you just against reviving all people who have no heart beats?

[Dakini]

A "corpse" is human, it may not be alive, but it's human and it "can be revived to be" an individual. I think and believe that we should allow that human the opportunity to "revive to be" an individual. I'm not anti-"casket", but I can't help but viewing "burial" as negative if they so willfully committed an act which has large consequences to it.

The dead person is not really developing anymore now are they???

Unless they're developing a taste for brains!

[Vazdania]

Again, the many of you know my views on abortion.

I don't think that abortion should be legal accept for in cases of rape and if it will kill the mother if she gives birth to it.

A fetus is human, it may not be alive, but it's human and its developing into an individual. I think and believe that we should allow that human the opportunity to develop into an individual. I'm not anti-women, but I can't help but viewing abortion as negative if they so willfully committed an act which has large consequences to it.

If you believe it is human, then why (without some hocus-pocus Christian explanation) would it be fine to abort a fetus resulting from a rape, but not from consensual sex?

consenting people are aware of what may result from sex and have the ability to say No.

A person who's raped has no such option.

[Zweite Alaje]

So how is abortion not an acceptable way to deal with this outcome? Consent to sex is also consent to the risk of getting an STI, but that doesn't mean we keep people from getting some penicillin when they get the clap because they chose to take that risk.

If it's because life is important and every fetus has the right to become a baby, then the rape victim should also be forced to carry to term.

If it's about taking responsibility for your actions, then I ask how is an abortion not taking responsibility? It's not like it's something women do for fun.

And this is why I was wary of answering the rape question... Okay, the rape victim must be forced to carry the term. Since that kind of legislation will never, and I mean never, get passed, I support the allowing of rape abortions purely to get an anti-abortion bill passed. Better to stop most abortions rather than none..

I agree, in the long run stopping the rape abortion could be legislated after the first anti-abortion bill is passed.

[Vazdania]

The dead person is not really developing anymore now are they???

Unless they're developing a taste for brains!

ZOMBIES D: COVER ALL CASKETS WITH CEMENT!!!

[Mavorpen]

It is when you consider that I've stated that at least six times.

Humour me. Please explain why some human beings are not human persons.

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[Zweite Alaje]

If you believe it is human, then why (without some hocus-pocus Christian explanation) would it be fine to abort a fetus resulting from a rape, but not from consensual sex?

consenting people are aware of what may result from sex and have the ability to say No.

A person who's raped has no such option.

A human is a human, the manner in which it was created is irrelevant.

[Dakini]

So how is abortion not an acceptable way to deal with this outcome? Consent to sex is also consent to the risk of getting an STI, but that doesn't mean we keep people from getting some penicillin when they get the clap because they chose to take that risk.

If it's because life is important and every fetus has the right to become a baby, then the rape victim should also be forced to carry to term.

If it's about taking responsibility for your actions, then I ask how is an abortion not taking responsibility? It's not like it's something women do for fun.

And this is why I was wary of answering the rape question... Okay, the rape victim must be forced to carry the term. Since that kind of legislation will never, and I mean never, get passed, I support the allowing of rape abortions purely to get an anti-abortion bill passed. Better to stop most abortions rather than none..

Then suddenly the rate of reported rapes skyrockets as all women who want an abortion claim they were raped and make up some shady stranger who jumped them on their way home. They just didn't report it immediately because ...uh.... it was an inconvenience...?

No seriously why do you think women should be forced to be incubators when they do not choose to be?

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

consenting people are aware of what may result from sex and have the ability to say No.

A person who's raped has no such option.

By that reason, people who have become accidentally pregnant due to failure of contraceptives should have access to abortion because they haven't had a chance to not consent to pregnancy.

[The New Earth Coalition]

A fetus is human, it may not be alive, but it's human and its developing into an individual. I think and believe that we should allow that human the opportunity to develop into an individual. I'm not anti-women, but I can't help but viewing abortion as negative if they so willfully committed an act which has large consequences to it.

A "corpse" is human, it may not be alive, but it's human and it "can be revived to be" an individual. I think and believe that we should allow that human the opportunity to "revive to be" an individual. I'm not anti-"casket", but I can't help but viewing "burial" as negative if they so willfully committed an act which has large consequences to it.

Oh my god...

[Tlaceceyaya]

If you believe it is human, then why (without some hocus-pocus Christian explanation) would it be fine to abort a fetus resulting from a rape, but not from consensual sex?

consenting people are aware of what may result from sex and have the ability to say No.

A person who's raped has no such option.

But how does their consent to sex make it wrong to abort an embryo or fetus?

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

Unless they're developing a taste for brains!

ZOMBIES D: COVER ALL CASKETS WITH CEMENT!!!

No seriously. I hope you are not a doctor. Just because there is potential does not mean we should all act in only one way to preserve that potential.

[Vazdania]

consenting people are aware of what may result from sex and have the ability to say No.

A person who's raped has no such option.

A human is a human, the manner in which it was created is irrelevant.

and? This is upon the women's shoulders, this is a burden they must bear. If men had children i'd have the same opinion.