UKIP: Closet racists after all?

[Disserbia]

I'm not against muslims; however, they should keep to their land as I keep to mine.
And their land is on the other side of the Bosphorus and the Meditteranean and the Caucasus Mountains.

Who's to say whose land is whose? Immigration is an ongoing process. Muslims are not different entities than Christians.

Strictly speaking they are, or they'd be extremely conflicted. Though, I really don't have room to talk here.

[Frisivisia]

I'm terribly sorry, but Edirne and Istanbul are ours.

I'd take Constantinople today if I could.
Knock those filthy minarets off the Hagia Sophia.

Wow, that's really fucking something. You've made yourself look like a holy war advocate from the 1200s.

[Quintium]

Wow, that's really fucking something. You've made yourself look like a holy war advocate from the 1200s.

That was almost three hundred years before they were actually placed to disgrace the Hagia Sophia.
Nice try, though.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Wow, that's really fucking something. You've made yourself look like a holy war advocate from the 1200s.

That was almost three hundred years before they were actually placed to disgrace the Hagia Sophia.
Nice try, though.

An irrelevance that evades the point.

[Yorkopolis]

At least the British, or at least most of them, are more tolerant than fuckheads like Geert Hitler Wilders or, for that matter, the NPD. And thankfully they are.

I'm voting for Wilders Hitler next year in 1933, and I'm very proud of that. He is not racist; in fact, he has more black Slavic employees than any other politician. However, he hates Islam Judaism - and that's something I respect.

Changed a few words, and behold the darned truth of Wilders and Nazism.

Hahahaha so you vote for a man like Wilder who is agasint a group of people just because of their religious belief?

Yes, since the group of people that adheres to that particular religious belief has spent the last fourteen hundred years attempting to exterminate my people.

Ho, hohohohohoho! Now you're funny, old man! Who was it that supported our nation when we needed it most? Our nation, against the damned Spaniards of Philip the 2nd, the bastard, who had imprisoned thousands? The Ottomans. The Muslims. The people you claim tried to have spent the last fourteen hundred years attempting to exterimate "us". If it were about me, the Caliphates could have extended all the way from the Arab world all the way to up here! At least in the Caliphate and Al-Andalus there was some kind of religious tolerance, science, and acceptance of science, while in Christian backwards Europe we took our eyes off, rejected science outright, and got back to year zero.

I love the whole "THEYV BEN STERMINATIN MAH PEPOLE" line. The idea that there's some long-standing Crusade, some war that's been going on that makes bigotry and violence absolutely okay. You see it from racists all the time.

I'm not against muslims; however, they should keep to their land as I keep to mine.
And their land is on the other side of the Bosphorus and the Meditteranean and the Caucasus Mountains.

Wrong, in Chechnya there's plenty of Muslims, and that's on the European side of the Caucasus and they're quite moderate, too. If anything, I would move there sometime. Sadly I'm no ethnic Chechnyan, so maybe they won't let me in their egalitarian clan system...

That's kind of being against Muslims, since you're saying they should not be granted the freedom to go wherever the fuck they want in the world.
Though at least you're consistent, in saying you have no interest in whites going there.

Precisely. Let nations have states and let all states be based on nations; anything else will always and inevitably result in violence.
Unfortunately, the left won't listen.

Big Mother Russia, the good ol' PRC, good ol' India and many, many other nations all around the world, care to disagree with you.

Wow, that's really fucking something. You've made yourself look like a holy war advocate from the 1200s.

That was almost three hundred years before they were actually placed to disgrace the Hagia Sophia.
Nice try, though.

Actually, you do look like a holy war advocate, someone who advocates a "holy war" to "liberate" territory that hasn't been Christian for more than 800 motherfuckin' years, and try make it Christian again. I'm sorry sir, we're not in the Dark Ages.

[Souseiseki]

I hate racist crap, but this is just not a valid response in any way.

Don't worry, I've seen much worse. I've been shouted at, attacked, censored and kicked out from places for what I believed.
That's why I believe those who call themselves progressivists are actually the most authoritarian people I've met in my life.

"I'm not againstmuslims racists; however, they should keep to their land as I keep to mine."

:-)

[Diopolis]

I'm voting for Wilders Hitler next year in 1933, and I'm very proud of that. He is not racist; in fact, he has more black Slavic employees than any other politician. However, he hates Islam Judaism - and that's something I respect.

Changed a few words, and behold the darned truth of Wilders and Nazism.

Yes, since the group of people that adheres to that particular religious belief has spent the last fourteen hundred years attempting to exterminate my people.

Ho, hohohohohoho! Now you're funny, old man! Who was it that supported our nation when we needed it most? Our nation, against the damned Spaniards of Philip the 2nd, the bastard, who had imprisoned thousands? The Ottomans. The Muslims. The people you claim tried to have spent the last fourteen hundred years attempting to exterimate "us". If it were about me, the Caliphates could have extended all the way from the Arab world all the way to up here! At least in the Caliphate and Al-Andalus there was some kind of religious tolerance, science, and acceptance of science, while in Christian backwards Europe we took our eyes off, rejected science outright, and got back to year zero.

I'm not against muslims; however, they should keep to their land as I keep to mine.
And their land is on the other side of the Bosphorus and the Meditteranean and the Caucasus Mountains.

Wrong, in Chechnya there's plenty of Muslims, and that's on the European side of the Caucasus and they're quite moderate, too. If anything, I would move there sometime. Sadly I'm no ethnic Chechnyan, so maybe they won't let me in their egalitarian clan system...

Precisely. Let nations have states and let all states be based on nations; anything else will always and inevitably result in violence.
Unfortunately, the left won't listen.

Big Mother Russia, the good ol' PRC, good ol' India and many, many other nations all around the world, care to disagree with you.

That was almost three hundred years before they were actually placed to disgrace the Hagia Sophia.
Nice try, though.

Actually, you do look like a holy war advocate, someone who advocates a "holy war" to "liberate" territory that hasn't been Christian for more than 800 motherfuckin' years, and try make it Christian again. I'm sorry sir, we're not in the Dark Ages.

So countries that stay together through oppression and one that stays together out of fear of pakistan somehow disprove his point?(I'm not defending it, I'm just pointing out inconsistencies in your position.)

[Disserbia]

Don't worry, I've seen much worse. I've been shouted at, attacked, censored and kicked out from places for what I believed.
That's why I believe those who call themselves progressivists are actually the most authoritarian people I've met in my life.

"I'm not againstmuslims racists; however, they should keep to their land as I keep to mine."

:-)

Racist land?

[Angleter]

Precisely. Let nations have states and let all states be based on nations; anything else will always and inevitably result in violence.
Unfortunately, the left won't listen.

Big Mother Russia, the good ol' PRC, good ol' India and many, many other nations all around the world, care to disagree with you.

Erm, I don't think they're exactly brilliant examples of successful multinational states. Russia, itself the product of the implosion of another multinational state just 20 years ago, took two wars and piles of cash since to get a hold on Chechnya, and still isn't entirely loved by its North Caucasian peoples (it's also worth noting that Russia is essentially a nation-state, with Russians comprising 80% of the population). China (90% Chinese anyway) has Tibet and Sinkiang to contend with (and are dealing with the problem in the rather unpleasant manner of wilfully flooding both regions with Chinese people). And India, the only truly multiethnic country of the three (although there is such a thing as Indian identity, usually related to HInduism or anti-colonialism), has had separatist movements in Kashmir, Punjab (Khalistan), and pretty much every Northeastern state, to say nothing of Partition in 1947.

[Souseiseki]

Big Mother Russia, the good ol' PRC, good ol' India and many, many other nations all around the world, care to disagree with you.

Erm, I don't think they're exactly brilliant examples of successful multinational states. Russia, itself the product of the implosion of another multinational state just 20 years ago, took two wars and piles of cash since to get a hold on Chechnya, and still isn't entirely loved by its North Caucasian peoples (it's also worth noting that Russia is essentially a nation-state, with Russians comprising 80% of the population). China (90% Chinese anyway) has Tibet and Sinkiang to contend with (and are dealing with the problem in the rather unpleasant manner of wilfully flooding both regions with Chinese people). And India, the only truly multiethnic country of the three (although there is such a thing as Indian identity, usually related to HInduism or anti-colonialism), has had separatist movements in Kashmir, Punjab (Khalistan), and pretty much every Northeastern state, to say nothing of Partition in 1947.

it's you angleter

you are the example

[Yorkopolis]

Changed a few words, and behold the darned truth of Wilders and Nazism.


Ho, hohohohohoho! Now you're funny, old man! Who was it that supported our nation when we needed it most? Our nation, against the damned Spaniards of Philip the 2nd, the bastard, who had imprisoned thousands? The Ottomans. The Muslims. The people you claim tried to have spent the last fourteen hundred years attempting to exterimate "us". If it were about me, the Caliphates could have extended all the way from the Arab world all the way to up here! At least in the Caliphate and Al-Andalus there was some kind of religious tolerance, science, and acceptance of science, while in Christian backwards Europe we took our eyes off, rejected science outright, and got back to year zero.


Wrong, in Chechnya there's plenty of Muslims, and that's on the European side of the Caucasus and they're quite moderate, too. If anything, I would move there sometime. Sadly I'm no ethnic Chechnyan, so maybe they won't let me in their egalitarian clan system...


Big Mother Russia, the good ol' PRC, good ol' India and many, many other nations all around the world, care to disagree with you.


Actually, you do look like a holy war advocate, someone who advocates a "holy war" to "liberate" territory that hasn't been Christian for more than 800 motherfuckin' years, and try make it Christian again. I'm sorry sir, we're not in the Dark Ages.

So countries that stay together through oppression and one that stays together out of fear of pakistan somehow disprove his point?(I'm not defending it, I'm just pointing out inconsistencies in your position.)

Well, I could also name the US, which is a really heavily multiethnic nation, and the UK, which is also multiethnic and somehow manages to remain stable. Not to mention Germany (Sorbians) and France (Bretons, if that's what those Celts from Brittagne are called).

[Angleter]

Erm, I don't think they're exactly brilliant examples of successful multinational states. Russia, itself the product of the implosion of another multinational state just 20 years ago, took two wars and piles of cash since to get a hold on Chechnya, and still isn't entirely loved by its North Caucasian peoples (it's also worth noting that Russia is essentially a nation-state, with Russians comprising 80% of the population). China (90% Chinese anyway) has Tibet and Sinkiang to contend with (and are dealing with the problem in the rather unpleasant manner of wilfully flooding both regions with Chinese people). And India, the only truly multiethnic country of the three (although there is such a thing as Indian identity, usually related to HInduism or anti-colonialism), has had separatist movements in Kashmir, Punjab (Khalistan), and pretty much every Northeastern state, to say nothing of Partition in 1947.

it's you angleter

you are the example

I'm a successful multinational state?

[Heavenly Peace]

I am disappointed but hardly surprised. This is what happens when a party's main message is purely based off anti-immigration rhetoric and Eurosceptism. Parties that vocalize their disdain to almost everything tend to attract nutters.

[Ifreann]

Erm, I don't think they're exactly brilliant examples of successful multinational states. Russia, itself the product of the implosion of another multinational state just 20 years ago, took two wars and piles of cash since to get a hold on Chechnya, and still isn't entirely loved by its North Caucasian peoples (it's also worth noting that Russia is essentially a nation-state, with Russians comprising 80% of the population). China (90% Chinese anyway) has Tibet and Sinkiang to contend with (and are dealing with the problem in the rather unpleasant manner of wilfully flooding both regions with Chinese people). And India, the only truly multiethnic country of the three (although there is such a thing as Indian identity, usually related to HInduism or anti-colonialism), has had separatist movements in Kashmir, Punjab (Khalistan), and pretty much every Northeastern state, to say nothing of Partition in 1947.

it's you angleter

you are the example

No Souseiseki, you are the demons.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I'm terribly sorry, but Edirne and Istanbul are ours.

I'd take Constantinople today if I could.
Knock those filthy minarets off the Hagia Sophia.

And so it was that the advocate of uniracial nation states proposed an irredentist neo-Crusade by Greece in order to take back land full of Turkish people, thereby compromising the racial integrity of GLOARIOUS HELLENE REPUBLIK.

Unbelievable.

[Regnum Dominae]

Not surprised at all.

[Ralkovia]

Sounds good. The statement protects the "Multi-racial heritage" which again is what UKIP is against. They've already said and offered an alternative.

It's like putting "We're against racism and taxes should be raised" and then pretending that the person objecting is a racist and doesn't draw problem with what they were elected against.

UKIP is pro-integration, they were voted in to pull the UK out of the EU and to stop immigration/integrate communities already here. Obviously they're going to vote no.

[Gyurp]

Don't worry, I've seen much worse. I've been shouted at, attacked, censored and kicked out from places for what I believed.
That's why I believe those who call themselves progressivists are actually the most authoritarian people I've met in my life.

Progressive -->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwK7VRkbGiU

[Disserbia]

Don't worry, I've seen much worse. I've been shouted at, attacked, censored and kicked out from places for what I believed.
That's why I believe those who call themselves progressivists are actually the most authoritarian people I've met in my life.

Progressive -->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwK7VRkbGiU

troof

[St George]

UPDATE: Ukip are investigating Chris Pain and say he could be ejected from party for alleged comments he made

People are going too far on the "UKIP=racists" tbh. A lot of what's happened is they expanded really fast and didn't have time or resources to vet people, and that always ends badly.

Distinction between UKIP being racist and some of their membership being racist.

Indeed. I'm by no means a UKIP supporter (I am sane, after all), but I think it's this mainly.

Also the media are now paying much closer attention to UKIP, hence the flood of stories in recent weeks about racist/homophobic/sexist UKIP councillors.

[Conscentia]

To be honest, though, 'anti-racist' initiatives tend to come from the left and tend only to serve the left.
Still, it's a surprise to see that the British are still so bitterly in support of 'multiculturalism'. Even the Germans have given up on that, and they still have their war guilt.

In what way is it a surprise? The British are RL's Borg.
Our culture is stolen. Our vocabulary is imported. We drink tea from India & China, and flavour it with sugar from the Americas. Television & businesses from America also enjoy popularity, as does curry - an Indian dish. Chips are Belgian, yet form an important part of the Great British dish of fish & chips. Most Britons follow foreign religions. Britons are often given foreign names or names of foreign origin. The British Isles have been settled and resettled, and felt several waves of immigration - most recently Polish. The capital of the UK was founded by the Romans, and the royal family is German.
And what was the British Empire if not an attempt to assimilate the world?

[Salandriagado]

Wow Quintium....just wow, what a childish thing to say.

If you lived where I live, you'd say the same thing. Africans on one side, muslims on another - and I'm piggy in the middle.
The Randstad, a global hotspot of forced multiculturalism gone awry.

I grew up in Leicester. You have no legs upon which to stand.

[The Carlisle]

I'm terribly sorry, but Edirne and Istanbul are ours.

I'd take Constantinople today if I could.
Knock those filthy minarets off the Hagia Sophia.

I can't imagine the Hagia Sophia without the minarets. They are an integral part of the building.

[Ralkovia]

I'd take Constantinople today if I could.
Knock those filthy minarets off the Hagia Sophia.

I can't imagine the Hagia Sophia without the minarets. They are an integral part of the building.

Not really. Integral would be the dome or anything actually holding up the building. The minarets are add-ons to destroy the history and origin.

[Conscentia]

I'm terribly sorry, but Edirne and Istanbul are ours.

I'd take Constantinople today if I could.
Knock those filthy minarets off the Hagia Sophia.

I like the minarets.