Gay recruit complains about being called a fag in USMC

[Northern Dominus]

Out of a population of well over 300 MILLION citizens in the United States of America there exist's a Marine Corps of some 200,000 Marines. That's a VERY small percentage of you who pack the gear to serve in my beloved Corps so I can and will accept the fact that there are damn few of you who are Marines. That means there are damn few of you who can appreciate the wisdom I shared with you on my previous post. Those of you who are Marines will understand exactly what I am saying. "As long as there are United States Marines there will be a United States of America". SEMPER FI

Great, now the thread's all sticky.

Again, it's amazing how many people fail to understand that Full Metal Jacket, Jarhead, and Battle L.A. are either outright fiction or highly embellished isn't it?

[Ifreann]

Great, now the thread's all sticky.

Again, it's amazing how many people fail to understand that Full Metal Jacket, Jarhead, and Battle L.A. are either outright fiction or highly embellished isn't it?

Surely you're not suggesting that Spirirtwolf isn't really a Marine, are you?

[The UK in Exile]

Out of a population of well over 300 MILLION citizens in the United States of America there exist's a Marine Corps of some 200,000 Marines. That's a VERY small percentage of you who pack the gear to serve in my beloved Corps so I can and will accept the fact that there are damn few of you who are Marines. That means there are damn few of you who can appreciate the wisdom I shared with you on my previous post. Those of you who are Marines will understand exactly what I am saying. "As long as there are United States Marines there will be a United States of America". SEMPER FI

Great, now the thread's all sticky.

he has neither the time nor the inclination to explain himself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom he pretends to provide, then questions the manner in which he masterbates over his fantasy of providing it.

[Northern Dominus]

Again, it's amazing how many people fail to understand that Full Metal Jacket, Jarhead, and Battle L.A. are either outright fiction or highly embellished isn't it?

Surely you're not suggesting that Spirirtwolf isn't really a Marine, are you?

I dunno, I was under the impression that prospective Marines merely had to give the recruiter their bite print on the contract rather than actually sign and date

[Sidhae]

I suppose calling the men 'ladies' will also be refrained. God help if some poor questioning transgender type took offence to it, like all the other men in the training camp.

You know that there are actual ladies in the Marine Corps, right? You sure you want to be teaching the recruits that some of their superiors are inherently worse as soldiers because they're women?

How about teaching them just to not mind these things at all? I mean, how can you expect a soldier not to lose it in battle with bullets, shrapnel and dismembered asses flying all around when he can't even stand a few verbal insults shouted at him/her?

Everybody who has served probably knows that words are but empty sounds, trivialities for use by civilians and politicians, and only your actual ability to get things done matters. A true soldier (and in fact any decent person) must be like a column of polished granite - no matter how much shit is thrown at him, he must not worry, because it is just shit that the first rain will wash away. Shit will flow away and the stench will disappear, but the stone column will be standing as pristine as before.

[Spiritwolf]

The simple fact is that this whining recruit ain't gonna make it. He/she/it will continue to complain about being called EXACTLY what he/she/it actually is until he/she/it washes out of Boot Camp, and that is exactly what needs to happen here. Then this whiner can go back to the block and do what he/she/it does best............... and we all know what that is.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

Again, it's amazing how many people fail to understand that Full Metal Jacket, Jarhead, and Battle L.A. are either outright fiction or highly embellished isn't it?

Surely you're not suggesting that Spirirtwolf isn't really a Marine, are you?

I'm sure the kind of guy who posts this is the kind of guy we all hope has access to guns. I can think of a name for this type.

by Spiritwolf » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:49 pm
All homosexuals should be identified, gathered together into detention camps, and systematically executed. All property and funds of homosexuals should be seized by the government and disposed of with the proceeds going to a fund to support the Secret Police in their efforts to completely eradicate homosexuals from the face of the earth. Taking into consideration that all homosexuals are hereby given the death penalty there is no need to discuss same sex marriage because there will be none left alive to get "married". Anyone opposing this absolute policy can and should be given the choice to eat either a cyanide capsule or a bullet, whichever they prefer. Any questions?

[Ifreann]

You know that there are actual ladies in the Marine Corps, right? You sure you want to be teaching the recruits that some of their superiors are inherently worse as soldiers because they're women?

How about teaching them just to not mind these things at all?

Great idea! Step 1: Stop comparing recruits to ladies when they fuck up, because ladies can be perfectly good marines.

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Surely you're not suggesting that Spirirtwolf isn't really a Marine, are you?

I'm sure the kind of guy who posts this is the kind of guy we all hope has access to guns

by Spiritwolf » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:49 pm
All homosexuals should be identified, gathered together into detention camps, and systematically executed. All property and funds of homosexuals should be seized by the government and disposed of with the proceeds going to a fund to support the Secret Police in their efforts to completely eradicate homosexuals from the face of the earth. Taking into consideration that all homosexuals are hereby given the death penalty there is no need to discuss same sex marriage because there will be none left alive to get "married". Anyone opposing this absolute policy can and should be given the choice to eat either a cyanide capsule or a bullet, whichever they prefer. Any questions?

If anything, he doesn't have enough access to guns as a marine. Can we make him the commandant of the corps or something?

[Delmonte]

The Marine Corps is a combat oriented organization in every respect and every man/woman in the Corps from Private right on up to the Commandant of the Marine Corps is part of a TEAM. Anyone who joins the Corps should understand that going in, because, once you arrive at MCRD Parris Island at 0200 zero-dark-thirty hours in the morning and that Marine DI steps on the bus your days as an individual are OVER. You will move when they tell you to move, and you had better damn well be HAULING ASS when you do. You will sound off like you've got a pair EVERY time you sound off (and I'm talking about a pair that King Fucking Kong would be jealous of, and yes, that includes you Ladies who are becoming Women Marines). When that DI orders you too, you will dismount the bus QUICKLY and get your ass on a pair of yellow foot prints DO YOU UNDERSTAND? The first word out of your face will be SIR!! And the last word out of your face will be SIR!! DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND? The correct response is SIR!! YES SIR!! And you WILL fucking sound off like you've got a pair when you say it!! ....................... Get the picture here? Marine DI's are going to break you down from the individual that you are both physically and mentally and then they are going to weed out the non-hackers who do not belong in my beloved Corps and then they are going to take those hard chargers who remain and turn them into MARINES. There is no room on a battlefield in fucking COMBAT for your purty pink feelings scumbag so you had best unfuck yourself and decide if you truly have what it takes to be a Marine. SEMPER FI

Oh, stop. The Navy and Drones do more than all the Marines combined. If the Army, Navy, and Airforce were like the Marines I'd be terrified of a military dictatorship because the Marines don't give a jack shit about their constitutional oath. They're trained to kill people and break things, follow orders without giving them a seconds' thought, and wouldn't hesitate to turn on American citizens like the fucking rabid dogs they are and instate a fucking junta. How do you expect us to be patriotic when you say things like this? Really, how? Not once in your goddamn post did you mention the people you were trying to protect. And I think that's significant. Because it really shows where your fucking priorities are, doesn't it? You care about the "Corps", you care about the "Unit", and not once did you mention the citizens you took an oath to protect. That's just real telling.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Perhaps Drill Instructors could break down the recruits by telling them that they have nothing of value to offer society other than to be used as cannon fodder?

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

Perhaps Drill Instructors could break down the recruits by telling them that they have nothing of value to offer society other than to be used as cannon fodder?

I like it

[Northern Dominus]

Perhaps Drill Instructors could break down the recruits by telling them that they have nothing of value to offer society other than to be used as cannon fodder?

Or to clean latrines with their tongues, or to join the Air Force

[Sidhae]

How about teaching them just to not mind these things at all?

Great idea! Step 1: Stop comparing recruits to ladies when they fuck up, because ladies can be perfectly good marines.

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I'm sure the kind of guy who posts this is the kind of guy we all hope has access to guns

If anything, he doesn't have enough access to guns as a marine. Can we make him the commandant of the corps or something?

Most of them don't in fact mind it to begin with. Because they know it's the DI's job to be mean and nasty - in fact, if the raw recruits like their DI, he's not doing his job properly. The DI isn't there to be liked - he's there to be feared and respected, his insults serving as a motivator for recruits to prove him wrong. And although a DI will never admit it loudly, he will quietly smile when he'll see one of those diminutive girls haul that huge ammo crate faster than any man in the unit simply to prove him wrong about ladies being somehow weaker. He has achieved his purpose of making them into fine soldiers.

Motivating the recruits to prove the instructor wrong as well as teach them to cope with intense stress is kind of the whole point to this shouting of abuse thing.

[Northern Dominus]

Great idea! Step 1: Stop comparing recruits to ladies when they fuck up, because ladies can be perfectly good marines.

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If anything, he doesn't have enough access to guns as a marine. Can we make him the commandant of the corps or something?

Most of them don't in fact mind it to begin with. Because they know it's the DI's job to be mean and nasty - in fact, if the raw recruits like their DI, he's not doing his job properly. The DI isn't there to be liked - he's there to be feared and respected, his insults serving as a motivator for recruits to prove him wrong. And although a DI will never admit it loudly, he will quietly smile when he'll see one of those diminutive girls haul that huge ammo crate faster than any man in the unit simply to prove him wrong about ladies being somehow weaker. He has achieved his purpose of making them into fine soldiers.

Motivating the recruits to prove the instructor wrong as well as teach them to cope with intense stress is kind of the whole point to this shouting of abuse thing.

Right. Motivation. In USMC terms that means building an esprit de corps through shared suffering. Shared means everyone can related to it, meaning that everyone goes through the same miles-long runs, obstacle courses, and general in-your-face belittiling that uses vulgar but generally non-specific phrasing.

When somebody devolves into using specifically denigrating slurs like "fag" or "nigger" or "spic" or "chink" or "dago" or etc. etc., even if the person isn't being directly targeted by those words if they're of that specific minority they still take note of that language. Those slurs are specifically intended to single somebody out and make them the freak and apart from the rest IE "You're a fag, you're not one of us, you're subhuman and not welcome here.". That in turn can have a crippling effect on unit cohesion because inevitably there will be people on both sides if and when it becomes a problem.
The fact of the matter is DI's and DS' have a responsibility to instil that esprit de corps and train the next generation of marines. Not only is the motivation and discipline their responsibility but so is their well-being and sense of community, and creating a situation where people are specifically singled out for something beyond their control such as their skin color or sexual orientation does not serve that end. Therefore any DI using such slurs instead of thinking laterally and coming up with a better way to motivate through yelling and vulgarity isn't worthy of wearing the campaign hat and the ribbon on their chest.

And before you try and hand-wave it off as just "another word" in an effort to motivate, answer this; are you gay? Are you that person that the word specifically targets? If not then you really have no solid justification for sanctioning the use of the word do you?

[Delmonte]

Most of them don't in fact mind it to begin with. Because they know it's the DI's job to be mean and nasty - in fact, if the raw recruits like their DI, he's not doing his job properly. The DI isn't there to be liked - he's there to be feared and respected, his insults serving as a motivator for recruits to prove him wrong. And although a DI will never admit it loudly, he will quietly smile when he'll see one of those diminutive girls haul that huge ammo crate faster than any man in the unit simply to prove him wrong about ladies being somehow weaker. He has achieved his purpose of making them into fine soldiers.

Motivating the recruits to prove the instructor wrong as well as teach them to cope with intense stress is kind of the whole point to this shouting of abuse thing.

Right. Motivation. In USMC terms that means building an esprit de corps through shared suffering. Shared means everyone can related to it, meaning that everyone goes through the same miles-long runs, obstacle courses, and general in-your-face belittiling that uses vulgar but generally non-specific phrasing.

When somebody devolves into using specifically denigrating slurs like "fag" or "nigger" or "spic" or "chink" or "dago" or etc. etc., even if the person isn't being directly targeted by those words if they're of that specific minority. Those slurs are specifically intended to single somebody out and make them the freak and apart from the rest IE "You're a fag, you're not one of us, you're subhuman and not welcome here.". That in turn can have a crippling effect on unit cohesion because inevitably there will be people on both sides if and when it becomes a problem.
The fact of the matter is DI's and DS' have a responsibility to instil that esprit de corps and train the next generation of marines. Not only is the motivation and discipline their responsibility but so is their well-being and sense of community, and creating a situation where people are specifically singled out for something beyond their control such as their skin color or sexual orientation does not serve that end. Therefore any DI using such slurs instead of thinking laterally and coming up with a better way to motivate through yelling and vulgarity isn't worthy of wearing the campaign hat and the ribbon on their chest.

And before you try and hand-wave it off as just "another word" in an effort to motivate, answer this; are you gay? Are you that person that the word specifically targets? If not then you really have no solid justification for sanctioning the use of the word do you?

I'm gay. I honestly don't care about the word. I think stupid people use it and I refuse to be offended by stupid people. I'm just here because I'm unpatriotic, have a burning dislike for the Marines, and felt the need to be here to combat the self-righteous thuggery of people like Semper Fi over there.

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

Kind of off-topic, but for ''a nation that cherishes the freedom of speech'' so much, you sure don't have much of it.

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On-topic. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. It's not a guy on the street to another guy on the street. It's two public employees, one the boss of the other.

If you join the military, you forfeit over your personal freedom. So, what would be seen as wrong for a manager to do to an employee in the office, is not and should not be seen the same as to what an Officer or NCO does to an Enlisted man.

Still has nothing to do with freedom of speech, now has it?

[Spiritwolf]

Women Marines serve in the Corps with distinction and honor, as both enlisted and officers, in all MOS's up to 0300's. To my knowledge there are no currently serving Women Marines in the MOS 0311 Infantry but that is not to say that they are incapable of doing so. Young American women step up to the challenge of becoming Marines every day and they EARN the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor same as every other Marine. They serve our Nation all over the world, often directly in harms way, and they do so voluntarily because they have the heart and the guts to be Marines. Women Marines are in NO WAY inferior to male Marines............. dark green Marines are in NO WAY inferior to light green Marines................. WE ARE ALL MARINES. SEMPER FI

[Delmonte]

Again, it's amazing how many people fail to understand that Full Metal Jacket, Jarhead, and Battle L.A. are either outright fiction or highly embellished isn't it?

Surely you're not suggesting that Spirirtwolf isn't really a Marine, are you?

I want to believe he's a Marine because it reinforces the very negative and low opinion I have of Marines.

[Galloism]

Women Marines serve in the Corps with distinction and honor, as both enlisted and officers, in all MOS's up to 0300's. To my knowledge there are no currently serving Women Marines in the MOS 0311 Infantry but that is not to say that they are incapable of doing so. Young American women step up to the challenge of becoming Marines every day and they EARN the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor same as every other Marine. They serve our Nation all over the world, often directly in harms way, and they do so voluntarily because they have the heart and the guts to be Marines. Women Marines are in NO WAY inferior to male Marines............. dark green Marines are in NO WAY inferior to light green Marines................. WE ARE ALL MARINES. SEMPER FI

So why is calling the recruits female an insult?

[Ovisterra]

Women Marines serve in the Corps with distinction and honor, as both enlisted and officers, in all MOS's up to 0300's. To my knowledge there are no currently serving Women Marines in the MOS 0311 Infantry but that is not to say that they are incapable of doing so. Young American women step up to the challenge of becoming Marines every day and they EARN the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor same as every other Marine. They serve our Nation all over the world, often directly in harms way, and they do so voluntarily because they have the heart and the guts to be Marines. Women Marines are in NO WAY inferior to male Marines............. dark green Marines are in NO WAY inferior to light green Marines................. WE ARE ALL MARINES. SEMPER FI

What purpose was that meant to serve, other than giving you yet another excuse to type things in capital letters that you heard in movies?

[Delmonte]

Women Marines serve in the Corps with distinction and honor, as both enlisted and officers, in all MOS's up to 0300's. To my knowledge there are no currently serving Women Marines in the MOS 0311 Infantry but that is not to say that they are incapable of doing so. Young American women step up to the challenge of becoming Marines every day and they EARN the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor same as every other Marine. They serve our Nation all over the world, often directly in harms way, and they do so voluntarily because they have the heart and the guts to be Marines. Women Marines are in NO WAY inferior to male Marines............. dark green Marines are in NO WAY inferior to light green Marines................. WE ARE ALL MARINES. SEMPER FI

"Poor reptiles! it is with them a vernal morning; they are struggling to cast off their winter's slough, they bask in the sunshine, and ere noon they will bite, depend upon it." ~ Gouverneur Morris

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Women Marines serve in the Corps with distinction and honor, as both enlisted and officers, in all MOS's up to 0300's. To my knowledge there are no currently serving Women Marines in the MOS 0311 Infantry but that is not to say that they are incapable of doing so. Young American women step up to the challenge of becoming Marines every day and they EARN the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor same as every other Marine. They serve our Nation all over the world, often directly in harms way, and they do so voluntarily because they have the heart and the guts to be Marines. Women Marines are in NO WAY inferior to male Marines............. dark green Marines are in NO WAY inferior to light green Marines................. WE ARE ALL MARINES. SEMPER FI

I think what worries me the most is that there's a possibility that all these posts have been written with the utmost sincerity SEMPER FI shit it's catching.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Women Marines serve in the Corps with distinction and honor, as both enlisted and officers, in all MOS's up to 0300's. To my knowledge there are no currently serving Women Marines in the MOS 0311 Infantry but that is not to say that they are incapable of doing so. Young American women step up to the challenge of becoming Marines every day and they EARN the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor same as every other Marine. They serve our Nation all over the world, often directly in harms way, and they do so voluntarily because they have the heart and the guts to be Marines. Women Marines are in NO WAY inferior to male Marines............. dark green Marines are in NO WAY inferior to light green Marines................. WE ARE ALL MARINES. SEMPER FI

Have you gone completely insane? You sound utterly deranged.

No, seriously, what the fuck are you talking about and where the fuck do you think you are? Are you lost? Do you need help?

[Sidhae]

Most of them don't in fact mind it to begin with. Because they know it's the DI's job to be mean and nasty - in fact, if the raw recruits like their DI, he's not doing his job properly. The DI isn't there to be liked - he's there to be feared and respected, his insults serving as a motivator for recruits to prove him wrong. And although a DI will never admit it loudly, he will quietly smile when he'll see one of those diminutive girls haul that huge ammo crate faster than any man in the unit simply to prove him wrong about ladies being somehow weaker. He has achieved his purpose of making them into fine soldiers.

Motivating the recruits to prove the instructor wrong as well as teach them to cope with intense stress is kind of the whole point to this shouting of abuse thing.

Right. Motivation. In USMC terms that means building an esprit de corps through shared suffering. Shared means everyone can related to it, meaning that everyone goes through the same miles-long runs, obstacle courses, and general in-your-face belittiling that uses vulgar but generally non-specific phrasing.

When somebody devolves into using specifically denigrating slurs like "fag" or "nigger" or "spic" or "chink" or "dago" or etc. etc., even if the person isn't being directly targeted by those words if they're of that specific minority they still take note of that language. Those slurs are specifically intended to single somebody out and make them the freak and apart from the rest IE "You're a fag, you're not one of us, you're subhuman and not welcome here.". That in turn can have a crippling effect on unit cohesion because inevitably there will be people on both sides if and when it becomes a problem.
The fact of the matter is DI's and DS' have a responsibility to instil that esprit de corps and train the next generation of marines. Not only is the motivation and discipline their responsibility but so is their well-being and sense of community, and creating a situation where people are specifically singled out for something beyond their control such as their skin color or sexual orientation does not serve that end. Therefore any DI using such slurs instead of thinking laterally and coming up with a better way to motivate through yelling and vulgarity isn't worthy of wearing the campaign hat and the ribbon on their chest.

And before you try and hand-wave it off as just "another word" in an effort to motivate, answer this; are you gay? Are you that person that the word specifically targets? If not then you really have no solid justification for sanctioning the use of the word do you?

If the mean and nasty instructor calls you a faggot, and you are not a homosexual, you will strive to prove him wrong about you being weak and effeminate like faggots supposedly are. If you are actually a homosexual, you will still strive to prove him wrong about homosexuals being weak and effeminate. And in the end, when you do prove yourself, your actual sexual preference will no longer matter neither to you, your comrades or the instructor that used it as a word of abuse.

The purpose of such brutal training is to deconstruct one's civilian identity and reforge it into a new one - into a soldier. Only in the civilian world does trivialities like your skin colour, your genitals or the sex you prefer to fuck matter. In the army, the only thing that matters is how well you do your job, i.e., keeping yourself and your comrades from dying for your country and making the other bastards die for theirs. Hence, your only acceptable identity is that of a soldier, the one thing you share with everyone from a rookie fresh out of the boot all the way up to the general/admiral commanding your branch of service. As a soldier, you aren't a man or a woman, gay or straight, Black or White - you are a soldier and just that. The sooner a recruit realizes and accepts that, the better.

[Delmonte]

Right. Motivation. In USMC terms that means building an esprit de corps through shared suffering. Shared means everyone can related to it, meaning that everyone goes through the same miles-long runs, obstacle courses, and general in-your-face belittiling that uses vulgar but generally non-specific phrasing.

When somebody devolves into using specifically denigrating slurs like "fag" or "nigger" or "spic" or "chink" or "dago" or etc. etc., even if the person isn't being directly targeted by those words if they're of that specific minority they still take note of that language. Those slurs are specifically intended to single somebody out and make them the freak and apart from the rest IE "You're a fag, you're not one of us, you're subhuman and not welcome here.". That in turn can have a crippling effect on unit cohesion because inevitably there will be people on both sides if and when it becomes a problem.
The fact of the matter is DI's and DS' have a responsibility to instil that esprit de corps and train the next generation of marines. Not only is the motivation and discipline their responsibility but so is their well-being and sense of community, and creating a situation where people are specifically singled out for something beyond their control such as their skin color or sexual orientation does not serve that end. Therefore any DI using such slurs instead of thinking laterally and coming up with a better way to motivate through yelling and vulgarity isn't worthy of wearing the campaign hat and the ribbon on their chest.

And before you try and hand-wave it off as just "another word" in an effort to motivate, answer this; are you gay? Are you that person that the word specifically targets? If not then you really have no solid justification for sanctioning the use of the word do you?

If the mean and nasty instructor calls you a faggot, and you are not a homosexual, you will strive to prove him wrong about you being weak and effeminate like faggots supposedly are. If you are actually a homosexual, you will still strive to prove him wrong about homosexuals being weak and effeminate. And in the end, when you do prove yourself, your actual sexual preference will no longer matter neither to you, your comrades or the instructor that used it as a word of abuse.

The purpose of such brutal training is to deconstruct one's civilian identity and reforge it into a new one - into a soldier. Only in the civilian world does trivialities like your skin colour, your genitals or the sex you prefer to fuck matter. In the army, the only thing that matters is how well you do your job, i.e., keeping yourself and your comrades from dying for your country and making the other bastards die for theirs. Hence, your only acceptable identity is that of a soldier, the one thing you share with everyone from a rookie fresh out of the boot all the way up to the general/admiral commanding your branch of service. As a soldier, you aren't a man or a woman, gay or straight, Black or White - you are a soldier and just that. The sooner a recruit realizes and accepts that, the better.

And you realize that that's horrible, right? You're honestly saying you want our soldiers not to fight for the love of their country and people, but because we've made them sociopaths? This is why I hate the Marines. I just hate them. They're high school bullies who wanted to keep being bullies after high school. They're just capable of distinguishing between people who they should bully and people they shouldn't.