Gay recruit complains about being called a fag in USMC

[Herador]

They're non-commissioned officers, at least in the US.

True, but there is a very, very big difference between NCO's and Commissioned Officers.

I wasn't saying there is or is not a difference, just saying what they are.

[Valentir]

No. For one I cannot serve in the US military as I'm British. And two I never signed up in the British military because I went out and became an accountant instead.

No offense, my friend, then you don't know dick about the military. I served, bootcamp sucked a bit (mostly because I was discharged seven weeks in. Fucking knee), but, then again, I didn't get much shit from the DI.

Yeah. Pretty much. Consider me the typical city town person. The military, well, I know don't much of it. From what I have heard is that the drill sergeants ( I called them officers) break down recruits, and use swearing a lot. And that is how far I've gotten. So could you answer a question for me? Is joining the military worth the time and experience?
Edit: Spelling corrections.

[Hathradic States]

No offense, my friend, then you don't know dick about the military. I served, bootcamp sucked a bit (mostly because I was discharged seven weeks in. Fucking knee), but, then again, I didn't get much shit from the DI.

Yeah. Pretty much. Consider me the typical city town person. The military, well, I know don't much of it. From what I have heard is that the drill sergeants ( I called the officers) break down recruits, and use swearing a lot. And that is how far I've gotten. So could you answer a question for me? Is joining the military worth the time and experience?

Fuck yes.

[Valentir]

The difference between that manager and the officer is that the officer's job is to get under the skin of this recruit. To make them from boys into men. There is strong and then there's army strong *nods*

I don't think officers are responsible for recruit training in US and Commonwealth forces...

Whoops, not officers, drill sergeants. God I need to read a military book here and there and put down the math and economic books.

[Valentir]

Yeah. Pretty much. Consider me the typical city town person. The military, well, I know don't much of it. From what I have heard is that the drill sergeants ( I called the officers) break down recruits, and use swearing a lot. And that is how far I've gotten. So could you answer a question for me? Is joining the military worth the time and experience?

Fuck yes.

Interesting. Anyways thank you my fellow party member.

[Stolen Droplets]

Jesus was taught to hate the sin not the sinner. I'd go talk with a gay or lesbian couple and wear my rosary (I'm Catholic) without giving a shit too; I'm an American Centrist.

I sat by a gay guy in high school who was 100% open, but I NEVER joined in on the retards who kept calling him "Faggot." I'd much rather have him fighting with me in combat than nobody at all...it's war, anyone and everything is useful in a life or death situation.

[Immoren]

No offense, my friend, then you don't know dick about the military. I served, bootcamp sucked a bit (mostly because I was discharged seven weeks in. Fucking knee), but, then again, I didn't get much shit from the DI.

Yeah. Pretty much. Consider me the typical city town person. The military, well, I know don't much of it. From what I have heard is that the drill sergeants ( I called the officers) break down recruits, and use swearing a lot. And that is how far I've gotten. So could you answer a question for me? Is joining the military worth the time and experience?

I served in FDF. It was a different experience to say the least.

[Helicthon]

Well don't they, in boot camp, breakdown new recruits? And don't they discipline them and make them from kids into men? .

I don't know, because I haven't served.

And what qualifies you to know the same might I ask? And have you served?

As I said, I haven't served. Nothing qualifies me to know the same. Neither of these things are a problem because I've never claimed to know jack shit about the military.

If not then I don't what kind of military the United States is running.

This is the fundamental issue. You have some idea of the military that includes this over-romanticized macho bullshit (which the practice of calling recruits "faggot" forms a part of). Not only is that an irresponsible assumption, it's also fucking degrading to the men and women actually risking their lives in the service. Value them for who and what they are, don't use them as an excuse to prop up your shitty ideas.

[Karelo-Finnish SSR]

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If he can't handle an insult then what the hell is he doing in the Marine Corps then?

[Valentir]

Well don't they, in boot camp, breakdown new recruits? And don't they discipline them and make them from kids into men? .

I don't know, because I haven't served.

And what qualifies you to know the same might I ask? And have you served?

As I said, I haven't served. Nothing qualifies me to know the same. Neither of these things are a problem because I've never claimed to know jack shit about the military.

If not then I don't what kind of military the United States is running.

This is the fundamental issue. You have some idea of the military that includes this over-romanticized macho bullshit (which the practice of calling recruits "faggot" forms a part of). Not only is that an irresponsible assumption, it's also fucking degrading to the men and women actually risking their lives in the service. Value them for who and what they are, don't use them as an excuse to prop up your shitty ideas.

I never proposed an idea to be instated. I honor my fellow country who have served in Afghanistan and Iraq. And those from America as well. All I was stating was that from what I've been told, and yes, some hollyshit to say, is that was what drill sergeants do. I wasn't hating on soldiers or anything. My dad was one, and so was grandfather. And straight, gay, or bisexual I thank them for serving.

[Helicthon]

And straight, gay, or bisexual I thank them for serving.

You thank them for serving, but it's okay if the gay ones are discriminated against in the process?

[Valentir]

And straight, gay, or bisexual I thank them for serving.

You thank them for serving, but it's okay if the gay ones are discriminated against in the process?

I never said that.

[Helicthon]

I never said that.

Except you did. If you're okay with DIs using the word "faggot", you're okay with gay soldiers being discriminated against.

[Hathradic States]

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If he can't handle an insult then what the hell is he doing in the Marine Corps then?

That fucker belongs in the Coast Guard.

[The Occident]

I've been there, and the Recruit Depots usually take great efforts to make sure DIs do not cross certain lines. Since he failed to understand this, I guarantee this particular instructor will be having a nice, loooooong talk with his superiors about this.

[Valentir]

I never said that.

Except you did. If you're okay with DIs using the word "faggot", you're okay with gay soldiers being discriminated against.

Excuse me? So if I think that DI's can call new recruits, of all sexualities, faggots, then all of a sudden I'm homophobic? No, I'm not homophobic. If the DI's call straight people faggots then it is unfair for one group to just be called faggots. And faggot is also an insult to women for being weak, and an insult to men for also being weak and being a coward. Every Time the word faggot comes out it does not have to be a homophobic slur. People made it a homophobic slur, corrupting what once meant a bundle of sticks.

[Helicthon]

Except you did. If you're okay with DIs using the word "faggot", you're okay with gay soldiers being discriminated against.

Excuse me? So if I think that DI's can call new recruits, of all sexualities, faggots, then all of a sudden I'm homophobic? No, I'm not homophobic. If the DI's call straight people faggots then it is unfair for one group to just be called faggots. And faggot is also an insult to women for being weak, and an insult to men for also being weak and being a coward. Every Time the word faggot comes out it does not have to be a homophobic slur. People made it a homophobic slur, corrupting what once meant a bundle of sticks.

Calling a straight recruit "faggot" isn't the same as calling a gay recruit "faggot". I've explained this in detail already.

Furthermore:

P1. In this context, "faggot" means "homosexual".
P2. If you think "faggot" is an insult to everyone, you think "faggot" is a bad thing to be.
P3. You think "faggot" is an insult to everyone.
P4. If you think "homosexual" is a bad thing to be, you're a homophobe.
C1. From P2 and P3, you think "homosexual" is a bad thing to be.
C2. From C1 and P4, you're a homophobe.

[Valentir]

Excuse me? So if I think that DI's can call new recruits, of all sexualities, faggots, then all of a sudden I'm homophobic? No, I'm not homophobic. If the DI's call straight people faggots then it is unfair for one group to just be called faggots. And faggot is also an insult to women for being weak, and an insult to men for also being weak and being a coward. Every Time the word faggot comes out it does not have to be a homophobic slur. People made it a homophobic slur, corrupting what once meant a bundle of sticks.

Calling a straight recruit "faggot" isn't the same as calling a gay recruit "faggot". I've explained this in detail already.

Furthermore:

P1. In this context, "faggot" means "homosexual".
P2. If you think "faggot" is an insult to everyone, you think "faggot" is a bad thing to be.
P3. You think "faggot" is an insult to everyone.
P4. If you think "homosexual" is a bad thing to be, you're a homophobe.
C1. From P2 and P3, you think "homosexual" is a bad thing to be.
C2. From C1 and P4, you're a homophobe.

I don't think it is wrong to be gay or bisexual. I have no problem with it. If that is what you want go ahead and do it. So no, you are wrong. I'm not a homophobe. And I'm tired of wasting my time with you. Final, I'm not homophobic and I don't hate homosexuals.

[The Lone Alliance]

And straight, gay, or bisexual I thank them for serving.

You thank them for serving, but it's okay if the gay ones are discriminated against in the process?

By the very definition:
Discrimination is the prejudicial and/or distinguishing treatment of an individual based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or category.

This is not discrimination how is this treating them any different when everyone is getting called a faggot.

See the DS isn't in charge of the 'Faggots" emotions, they are, it is their choice to be extra offended.

You do not have the right to not be offended, under that sort of bizarre ruling gay marriage should be banned because it "Offends" religious nuts.

[Democratic Koyro]

Excuse me? So if I think that DI's can call new recruits, of all sexualities, faggots, then all of a sudden I'm homophobic? No, I'm not homophobic. If the DI's call straight people faggots then it is unfair for one group to just be called faggots. And faggot is also an insult to women for being weak, and an insult to men for also being weak and being a coward. Every Time the word faggot comes out it does not have to be a homophobic slur. People made it a homophobic slur, corrupting what once meant a bundle of sticks.

Calling a straight recruit "faggot" isn't the same as calling a gay recruit "faggot". I've explained this in detail already.

Furthermore:

P1. In this context, "faggot" means "homosexual".
P2. If you think "faggot" is an insult to everyone, you think "faggot" is a bad thing to be.
P3. You think "faggot" is an insult to everyone.
P4. If you think "homosexual" is a bad thing to be, you're a homophobe.
C1. From P2 and P3, you think "homosexual" is a bad thing to be.
C2. From C1 and P4, you're a homophobe.

What a load of crap.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Except you did. If you're okay with DIs using the word "faggot", you're okay with gay soldiers being discriminated against.

Excuse me? So if I think that DI's can call new recruits, of all sexualities, faggots, then all of a sudden I'm homophobic? No, I'm not homophobic. If the DI's call straight people faggots then it is unfair for one group to just be called faggots. And faggot is also an insult to women for being weak, and an insult to men for also being weak and being a coward. Every Time the word faggot comes out it does not have to be a homophobic slur. People made it a homophobic slur, corrupting what once meant a bundle of sticks.

You're not homophobic, you're deluded. Deluded for thinking that faggot loses all offensiveness to gay people if you use it to insult a straight person. Faggot, like the word nigger, is something that nobody should say and just because some gay/black people use it to refer to themselves doesn't make that right either.

Some people need a lesson in discrimination about what and when something is appropriate.

[Helicthon]

*denial*

Aww. Did I make you mad with my mean old logic?

If you don't like the conclusions, you best ensure the premises aren't true, because the inferences are fucking valid as shit.

Deduction, bitch.

[Helicthon]

What a load of crap.

Show me exactly where.

[German Deutsche]

I don't see the problem.

[Valentir]

Excuse me? So if I think that DI's can call new recruits, of all sexualities, faggots, then all of a sudden I'm homophobic? No, I'm not homophobic. If the DI's call straight people faggots then it is unfair for one group to just be called faggots. And faggot is also an insult to women for being weak, and an insult to men for also being weak and being a coward. Every Time the word faggot comes out it does not have to be a homophobic slur. People made it a homophobic slur, corrupting what once meant a bundle of sticks.

You're not homophobic, you're deluded. Deluded for thinking that faggot loses all offensiveness to gay people if you use it to insult a straight person. Faggot, like the word nigger, is something that nobody should say and just because some gay/black people use it to refer to themselves doesn't make that right either.

Some people need a lesson in discrimination about what and when something is appropriate.

Hang on. I never said that is loses all offensiveness. I just said that it can be an insult to straights as well.