Gay recruit complains about being called a fag in USMC

[Hathradic States]

Fags are horrible, though! They cause lung cancer!

Jesus fucking Christ you know exactly what meaning of the word fag was being used there

Opportunity was too good to pass up. Sue me for having a fucked up sense of humor.

No, I think it is acceptable for the Marine Corps to use on recruits, there is a difference.

And therein lies the problem. That word is not an acceptable insult to use against anyone. By thinking it is acceptable to be used you are part of the problem that millions of people face everyday

Maybe you are, too? You know...I don't know about, but when people scream at me "YOU CAN SAY THAT WORD ITS BAD!"...all I want to fucking to do it say it more, say it louder, and say it to their face. Maybe if folks stopped making a fucking issue over it, people wouldn't feel the desire to say it.

Especially making a fucking issue over this case. it's the fucking military, they can fucking say what they fucking want to their recruits, because it is time those fucking pansies manned the fuck up and got used to slurs and insults, because I am damn fucking sure our enemies won't care about their fucking feelings. FUCK.

[Threlizdun]

Fucking man up and deal with it. You want to be a Marine, you better grow some fucking thick skin.

There is no need for drill sergeants to use slurs when trying to get under a recruit's skin. It is equating something perfectly acceptable with a negative quality. Call them fat, lazy, stupid, or other genuinely negative qualities, but all using slurs does is make these individuals feel unwelcome. The purpose of training is not just to toughen you up, but to build a unified squad. Degrading someone for their sexual orientation does not promote unity. Just like referring to recruits as niggers, kykes, spiks, or wetbacks should be expected to only breed animosity, so too should homophobic slurs. The practice isn't just bigoted, it's dangerous.

[Valentir]

This thread has killed my faith in humanity. Well, maybe not, my faith that this generation won't grow up to be snizzling, pampered little cowards scared of WORDS has been utterly shattered though.

What do expect? Humans get more cowardly and scared every generation. On so many aren't. Oh well though.

[Helicthon]

snizzling

I fear no word that actually exists. (There's linguistic innovation, and then there's being a bit of a tosspot.)

*cartman rant*

I am normally all in favor of coloring my language with a healthy dose of profanity, but I think you mad bro. And I think that's because you know your position here is untenable. (See my remarks on rationalization.)

[Valentir]

Jesus fucking Christ you know exactly what meaning of the word fag was being used there

Opportunity was too good to pass up. Sue me for having a fucked up sense of humor.

And therein lies the problem. That word is not an acceptable insult to use against anyone. By thinking it is acceptable to be used you are part of the problem that millions of people face everyday

Maybe you are, too? You know...I don't know about, but when people scream at me "YOU CAN SAY THAT WORD ITS BAD!"...all I want to fucking to do it say it more, say it louder, and say it to their face. Maybe if folks stopped making a fucking issue over it, people wouldn't feel the desire to say it.

Especially making a fucking issue over this case. it's the fucking military, they can fucking say what they fucking want to their recruits, because it is time those fucking pansies manned the fuck up and got used to slurs and insults, because I am damn fucking sure our enemies won't care about their fucking feelings. FUCK.

[Hathradic States]

I am normally all in favor of coloring my language with a healthy dose of profanity, but I think you mad bro. And I think that's because you know your position here is untenable. (See my remarks on rationalization.)

Dude, I always colour my language with enough profanity to make Red Fox blush.

[St George]

Jesus fucking Christ you know exactly what meaning of the word fag was being used there

Opportunity was too good to pass up. Sue me for having a fucked up sense of humor.

I'm not American, I don't sue for every little thing.

And therein lies the problem. That word is not an acceptable insult to use against anyone. By thinking it is acceptable to be used you are part of the problem that millions of people face everyday

Maybe you are, too? You know...I don't know about, but when people scream at me "YOU CAN SAY THAT WORD ITS BAD!"...all I want to fucking to do it say it more, say it louder, and say it to their face. Maybe if folks stopped making a fucking issue over it, people wouldn't feel the desire to say it.

I haven't said 'you can't use that word', I've said 'using that word in that context is wrong'. I agree with you, making a word taboo will just make people want to use it. So instead of making it taboo, what you do is condemn and oppose those you use it in that context. There is a difference.

[Herador]

I'm not American, I don't sue for every little thing.

As an American I find this incredibly offensive, expect a call from my lawyers soon.

[Valentir]

I'm not American, I don't sue for every little thing.

As an American I find this incredibly offensive, expect a call from my lawyers soon.

[Hathradic States]

Opportunity was too good to pass up. Sue me for having a fucked up sense of humor.

I'm not American, I don't sue for every little thing.

Slamming a whole country, are you?

Maybe you are, too? You know...I don't know about, but when people scream at me "YOU CAN SAY THAT WORD ITS BAD!"...all I want to fucking to do it say it more, say it louder, and say it to their face. Maybe if folks stopped making a fucking issue over it, people wouldn't feel the desire to say it.

I haven't said 'you can't use that word', I've said 'using that word in that context is wrong'. I agree with you, making a word taboo will just make people want to use it. So instead of making it taboo, what you do is condemn and oppose those you use it in that context. There is a difference.

Then how could one use the word if not in an insulting context? And condemning someone for using something is the same thing as a taboo, really. Or, rather, they go hand in hand.

[Old Tyrannia]

The number of people who think this is OK is frankly disheartening. Such behaviour within the armed forces is rather umprofessional- would a manager get away with shouting slurs and insults at a subordinate in an office? No, of course not. So why is it OK when military officers do it? Surely, if anything, they should be held to a higher standard?

[Valentir]

The number of people who think this is OK is frankly disheartening. Such behaviour within the armed forces is rather umprofessional- would a manager get away with shouting slurs and insults at a subordinate in an office? No, of course not. So why is it OK when military officers do it? Surely, if anything, they should be held to a higher standard?

The difference between that manager and the officer is that the officer's job is to get under the skin of this recruit. To make them from boys into men. There is strong and then there's army strong *nods*

[Helicthon]

The difference between that manager and the officer is that the officer's job is to get under the skin of this recruit. To make them from boys into men. There is strong and then there's army strong *nods*

Have you ever served?

[Valentir]

The difference between that manager and the officer is that the officer's job is to get under the skin of this recruit. To make them from boys into men. There is strong and then there's army strong *nods*

Have you ever served?

No. For one I cannot serve in the US military as I'm British. And two I never signed up in the British military because I went out and became an accountant instead.

[Helicthon]

No. For one I cannot serve in the US military as I'm British. And two I never signed up in the British military because I went out and became an accountant instead.

So then what, exactly, qualifies you to tell the rest of us what an officer's job is?

[Threlizdun]

The number of people who think this is OK is frankly disheartening. Such behaviour within the armed forces is rather umprofessional- would a manager get away with shouting slurs and insults at a subordinate in an office? No, of course not. So why is it OK when military officers do it? Surely, if anything, they should be held to a higher standard?

The difference between that manager and the officer is that the officer's job is to get under the skin of this recruit. To make them from boys into men. There is strong and then there's army strong *nods*

It's the officer's job to get under their skin and promote unity. This succeeds at the first task but completely undermines the latter one.

[Hathradic States]

Have you ever served?

No. For one I cannot serve in the US military as I'm British. And two I never signed up in the British military because I went out and became an accountant instead.

No offense, my friend, then you don't know dick about the military. I served, bootcamp sucked a bit (mostly because I was discharged seven weeks in. Fucking knee), but, then again, I didn't get much shit from the DI.

[Hathradic States]

The difference between that manager and the officer is that the officer's job is to get under the skin of this recruit. To make them from boys into men. There is strong and then there's army strong *nods*

It's the officer's job to get under their skin and promote unity. This succeeds at the first task but completely undermines the latter one.

Well, if they call them all faggots, and degrades them so they all feel equally worthless, it might work for the latter.

[The Lone Alliance]

The number of people who think this is OK is frankly disheartening. Such behaviour within the armed forces is rather umprofessional- would a manager get away with shouting slurs and insults at a subordinate in an office? No, of course not. So why is it OK when military officers do it? Surely, if anything, they should be held to a higher standard?

Because it's only the drill Sargent saying it. You know the guys who are stereotypically supposed to make you feel like shit?

Something else I've realized, there have been gays in the military for years, somehow all of the previous homosexuals survived being called faggots in Bootcamp.

What makes this person anyone special? No one should give a fuck about your sexual orientation in the military.

[Immoren]

The number of people who think this is OK is frankly disheartening. Such behaviour within the armed forces is rather umprofessional- would a manager get away with shouting slurs and insults at a subordinate in an office? No, of course not. So why is it OK when military officers do it? Surely, if anything, they should be held to a higher standard?

The difference between that manager and the officer is that the officer's job is to get under the skin of this recruit. To make them from boys into men. There is strong and then there's army strong *nods*

I don't think officers are responsible for recruit training in US and Commonwealth forces...

[Herador]

The difference between that manager and the officer is that the officer's job is to get under the skin of this recruit. To make them from boys into men. There is strong and then there's army strong *nods*

I don't think officers are responsible for recruit training in US and Commonwealth forces...

They're non-commissioned officers, at least in the US.

[Valentir]

No. For one I cannot serve in the US military as I'm British. And two I never signed up in the British military because I went out and became an accountant instead.

So then what, exactly, qualifies you to tell the rest of us what an officer's job is?

Well don't they, in boot camp, breakdown new recruits? And don't they discipline them and make them from kids into men? If not then I don't what kind of military the United States is running. And what qualifies you to know the same might I ask? And have you served?

[Immoren]

I don't think officers are responsible for recruit training in US and Commonwealth forces...

They're non-commissioned officers, at least in the US.

Still. Enlisted men and not officers.

[Democratic Koyro]

I don't think officers are responsible for recruit training in US and Commonwealth forces...

They're non-commissioned officers, at least in the US.

True, but there is a very, very big difference between NCO's and Commissioned Officers.

[Threlizdun]

It's the officer's job to get under their skin and promote unity. This succeeds at the first task but completely undermines the latter one.

Well, if they call them all faggots, and degrades them so they all feel equally worthless, it might work for the latter.

No, that makes the gay recruits feel like shit because their sexual orientation is being given a negative connotation. By your logic, there would be no consequences of calling all recruits niggers. This ignores the reality that black recruits and honestly anyone with the slightest sense of racial equality will be completely repulsed by this statement.