Gay recruit complains about being called a fag in USMC

[Ovisterra]

Ah so we should treat our men and women just like the nations we are going over to so they can be "Stronger" for it?

....No you're point has fallen over and catches on fire

No, to PREPARE them for just that, said person couldn`t even handle being called a "Fag"

What the fuck makes you think he can't take it? He can, he just doesn't see why he should have to. He's right. No one should have to.

[Greenvul]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/25/marine-letter-faggots-boot-camp_n_3322214.html



Now i understand the broad mentality of this website and already get what side most people are going to be on.
But I wanted to bring it up first.

But the thing you may not understand or Realize is that in Bootcamp it isn't personal and the Drill Sergeants job is to try and get under your skin an piss you off in order to see if you can Handle duress.
All this polical correct nonsense being shoved into our miltary and restricitions of how they can train the recruits just makes them soft.

Now some Sergeants probably going to lose his Job or be severely repimanded for saying something to a recruit that before would of been perfectly fine (as it's use as an insult works effectively well against Heterosexuals).

So what do you think NSG, you think the Marines are being too mean and that this recruit shouldn't be picked on by the big mean drill sergeants and deal with the stress every other recruit has to simply because he's gay?

Obviously this homosexual has an inability to cope with the reality of living in a nation that cherishes the freedom of speech over his demand for special consideration due to what he prefers to do with his genitalia. Quite frankly, he ought to give suicide more intense consideration.

You.....I like you.

[Greed and Death]

"Retard".

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

EDIT: Wait, "retard" is equal to "nigger" and "fag" now?

IF your mentally handicapped yes. It is shocking how people are so tolerant of it, retard might even be worse given the current tolerance of Retard used as a term of insult toward another person.

[Agritum]

Ah so we should treat our men and women just like the nations we are going over to so they can be "Stronger" for it?

....No you're point has fallen over and catches on fire

No, to PREPARE them for just that, said person couldn`t even handle being called a "Fag"

Their fighting a war agains`t people who even targets 15 year olds (referance to Pakistani blogger girl)

But yeah it seems people like you would rather send people of to war without being propperly prepared to what they will or shall meet?

I`d love to see you get a better counter-argument.

help remind the recruits that homosexuals are fundamentally treated better in the USA than in those other countries, and that they are fighting to protect a country who atleast permits them to be openly gay without major repercussions?

That would be great, but they should be also teached about how said cultures treats their gays and they will be looked down upon even if their to help them, even by their local allies same with woman soldiers.

Sadly not every country as the same rights for people of the diffrent gender, nor sexuality.

Why you misquoted me? Treating gay soldiers with homophobic slurs totally doesn't help them reminding how the USA is still better than some random African or Middle Eastern countrynin LGBT rights.

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

Obviously this homosexual has an inability to cope with the reality of living in a nation that cherishes the freedom of speech over his demand for special consideration due to what he prefers to do with his genitalia.

Kind of off-topic, but for ''a nation that cherishes the freedom of speech'' so much, you sure don't have much of it.

EDIT
On-topic. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. It's not a guy on the street to another guy on the street. It's two public employees, one the boss of the other.

[Helicthon]

Here's what you people apparently don't understand: having your whiteness, heterosexuality, or indeed maleness "slurred on" ISN'T THE FUCKING SAME as having your non-whiteness, non-heterosexuality, or non-maleness slurred on.

I don't see why not.

I literally just explained it to you. You even quoted me:

Language exists in context; part of the global context in American (and therefore USMC) society is that whiteness, maleness and heterosexuality are socio-cultural advantages. It is called privilege. You should learn about it.

I do need to learn about it, because never once have I had an advantage because I'm white, male, or heterosexual. In fact, getting sun burned very easily is quite the disadvantage.

Oh, okay, nevermind. You're clearly a solipsist. Can I add some kind of note to your posts as they appear to me, to remind me you think you're the only person in the whole world who has experiences?

At this point I'm not surprised that you think about as highly of the aneurotypical as you do of the non-heterosexual.

My brother is autistic. I am not insulted when people call people who are not mentally retarded retarded.

I don't care whether or not you're insulted; however, I do think you should be concerned.

Also, not having full mental capacity and liking the same sex is different.

Never implied they weren't different. I'm just not surprised your disdain or lack of concern for both is reflected in your language.

OT: Is it normal for someone who's recently been warned to have to submit their posts two or three times before they show up?

[Helicthon]

Language exists in context; part of the global context in American (and therefore USMC) society is that whiteness, maleness and heterosexuality are socio-cultural advantages. It is called privilege. You should learn about it.

I do need to learn about it, because never once have I had an advantage because I'm white, male, or heterosexual. In fact, getting sun burned very easily is quite the disadvantage.

Double post, zero fucks given, this is basically a separate strand of discourse:

The entire thing about privilege is that if you have it, society is basically designed so you don't notice it. That's what's shitty about oppression: the vast majority of the people doing it aren't fundamentally bad people, but they still commit oppression because that's how they're socialized to act.

[Greenvul]

so long as it's just words.

So long as it's just words... You know what the thing about words it?

Words have power. Intention has much more. When you say faggot, or nigga or slut, or any other slur considering to be of similar offence, with the intent of insulting someone, you are making your judgement of another person known.

When you make such a word taboo, you give it far more power. People do have a right to discuss these words, because to do otherwise is to permit these words to carry the same power they have and had have. In almost all cases, doing this leads to nothing good. The words are powerful enough on their own without people saying 'oh you can't discuss this'.

The way to remove a words power is to make sure you are condemning it's use when it's used in the way you see faggot and nigga and slut and similar words are used, in a derogatory, very insulting fashion. People are the most effective weapon against bigotry, not misguided attempts to stifle discussion of a words use and meaning.

I reckon you've never heard of "sticks and stones may break my bones".

[Democratic Koyro]

So long as it's just words... You know what the thing about words it?

Words have power. Intention has much more. When you say faggot, or nigga or slut, or any other slur considering to be of similar offence, with the intent of insulting someone, you are making your judgement of another person known.

When you make such a word taboo, you give it far more power. People do have a right to discuss these words, because to do otherwise is to permit these words to carry the same power they have and had have. In almost all cases, doing this leads to nothing good. The words are powerful enough on their own without people saying 'oh you can't discuss this'.

The way to remove a words power is to make sure you are condemning it's use when it's used in the way you see faggot and nigga and slut and similar words are used, in a derogatory, very insulting fashion. People are the most effective weapon against bigotry, not misguided attempts to stifle discussion of a words use and meaning.

I reckon you've never heard of "sticks and stones may break my bones".

None of the anti-military liberals in this thread have.

[Ifreann]

I reckon you've never heard of "sticks and stones may break my bones".

None of the anti-military liberals in this thread have.

Anti-military liberals like the USMC?

[Marine Corps spokesman Captain Richard] Ulsh also said that the letter accuses drill instructors of using language and acting in a manner that is not tolerated in boot camp.

"I mean, we're all human. ... There are people who might do that," Ulsh told HuffPost. "But the way [the recruit] talks about it is like it happens every day all the time. There are strict measures enforced that prevent those sorts of things from happening."

Drill Instructors are not even allowed to "drop f-bombs," according to Ulsh, and if they were throwing around offensive slurs, "there would certainly be repercussions."

[Ovisterra]

I reckon you've never heard of "sticks and stones may break my bones".

Yeah, "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will break my spirit".

[Helicthon]

I reckon you've never heard of "sticks and stones may break my bones".

Yeah, "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will break my spirit".

I feel like it's a waste for us to be reduced to swapping platitudes, but then again that does seem to be the level on which some people in this thread are operating. When in Rome...?

[Ovisterra]

Yeah, "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will break my spirit".

I feel like it's a waste for us to be reduced to swapping platitudes, but then again that does seem to be the level on which some people in this thread are operating. When in Rome...?

...go to the Colosseum, it's fucking badass.

[Ifreann]

I reckon you've never heard of "sticks and stones may break my bones".

Yeah, "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will break my spirit".

Stick and stones may break my bones, but they can rebuild me. They have the technology. Better than I was before. Better...stronger...drunker.

[Helicthon]

Yeah, "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will break my spirit".

Stick and stones may break my bones, but they can rebuild me. They have the technology. Better than I was before. Better...stronger...drunker.

You never asked for this drink... but you'll take it anyway?

[Greenvul]

Sorta of true. But it was a homophobic slur. I would rather be called pussy or fat ass than be called a fag. Faggot is not the only insult out there.

Umm, pussy is offensive to women.


... who someone also let into the military.

Why is "pussy" offensive to women? It's a small, furry creature, i.e. a squirrel or cat. Cats and squirrels are usually portrayed as cowardly, since they run away from strangers. So, calling someone a pussy is short for a scaredy pussy cat.

[Blekksprutia]

Honestly? That guy should probably grow a pair.

that awkward moment when I agree with Knightkill.

I thought you quit NationStates.

[Ifreann]

that awkward moment when I agree with Knightkill.

I thought you quit NationStates.

As you may have gathered from his flag, he's back.

[Ovisterra]

Umm, pussy is offensive to women.


... who someone also let into the military.

Why is "pussy" offensive to women? It's a small, furry creature, i.e. a squirrel or cat. Cats and squirrels are usually portrayed as cowardly, since they run away from strangers. So, calling someone a pussy is short for a scaredy pussy cat.

You're absolutely hilarious.

[Blekksprutia]

I thought you quit NationStates.

As you may have gathered from his flag, he's back.

Yeah, but his motto is still "Bye NSG."

[Blekksprutia]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/25/marine-letter-faggots-boot-camp_n_3322214.html



Now i understand the broad mentality of this website and already get what side most people are going to be on.
But I wanted to bring it up first.

But the thing you may not understand or Realize is that in Bootcamp it isn't personal and the Drill Sergeants job is to try and get under your skin an piss you off in order to see if you can Handle duress.
All this polical correct nonsense being shoved into our miltary and restricitions of how they can train the recruits just makes them soft.

Now some Sergeants probably going to lose his Job or be severely repimanded for saying something to a recruit that before would of been perfectly fine (as it's use as an insult works effectively well against Heterosexuals).

So what do you think NSG, you think the Marines are being too mean and that this recruit shouldn't be picked on by the big mean drill sergeants and deal with the stress every other recruit has to simply because he's gay?

Obviously this homosexual has an inability to cope with the reality of living in a nation that cherishes the freedom of speech over his demand for special consideration due to what he prefers to do with his genitalia. Quite frankly, he ought to give suicide more intense consideration.

What the bloody devil, mate.

[Ifreann]

As you may have gathered from his flag, he's back.

Yeah, but his motto is still "Bye NSG."

Maybe he's quitting again?

[Helicthon]

Why is "pussy" offensive to women? It's a small, furry creature, i.e. a squirrel or cat. Cats and squirrels are usually portrayed as cowardly, since they run away from strangers. So, calling someone a pussy is short for a scaredy pussy cat.

I don't know if you're being serious, but the fact is that we simply don't know the exact history of the word's use as a slur. However, the practical, real fact of the matter is that it is used in such a way: "pussy" can refer metonymically to a woman, and because a woman is almost never called a pussy in the same sense a man is, the most felicitous implicature of calling a man a pussy is comparing him to a woman.

[Blekksprutia]

Yeah, but his motto is still "Bye NSG."

Maybe he's quitting again?

Hopefully?

[Neoconstantius]

This thread, like everything on NSG, has rapidly deteriorated into an endless billowing sh*tstorm of inanity.

It's a simple issue. Sergeant shouldn't have said it, recruit should have coped with it. That's all that needs to be said.