Gay recruit complains about being called a fag in USMC

[Prussia-Steinbach]

They need to get the fuck over it. It is the DI's job to effectively crush the soul of the recruit he is training. If he finds out something about a recruit that is easily mocked, I am sure he will take advantage of it. That would include being gay.

They shouldn't have to make allowances for certain people. They're training Marines, not pussies who whine every time someone uses a word they don't like.

They need to be flat-out told to man up and take the shit.

[Onekawa-Nukanor]

He isin the military know. If he can't handle being called a fag by a drill instructor, then he may wish to really consider if he wants to be a marine. If a guy who was overweight (not obese, but clearly overweight, they don't have to look like sphere) and was called 'fatass', 'lardass', 'piggy' by his drill instructor, then you wouldn't see people bat an eyelid.

Just because he is gay doesn't mean that he should receive some special treatment by not being called a fad by the drill instructor.

[The Rich Port]

No they should not get over it.

This is America and the military should be based around the values that were as a country are built on.

Slavery, protestant christrian values, The Legality of Canabis and Hating the Dutch.

To be fair i agree with three of the four.

Technically, you agree with all of them, since Protestant Christian values included slavery up until about a century ago.

You do also realize that's not the ONLY thing this country was built upon, right?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

He isin the military know. If he can't handle being called a fag by a drill instructor, then he may wish to really consider if he wants to be a marine. If a guy who was overweight (not obese, but clearly overweight, they don't have to look like sphere) and was called 'fatass', 'lardass', 'piggy' by his drill instructor, then you wouldn't see people bat an eyelid.

Exactly. If there is an aspect of a recruit that can be easily mocked, it will be. Being homosexual is proclaimedly an aspect of his being. They're going to make fun of it.

[Blekksprutia]

I won't feel sorry for a gay being called a fag in the MARINES? If you're signing up to risk your life for a nation, how is a simple word stopping you?

You might die defending your nation. Some respect might be in order.

[Ifreann]

They need to get the fuck over it. It is the DI's job to effectively crush the soul of the recruit he is training. If he finds out something about a recruit that is easily mocked, I am sure he will take advantage of it. That would include being gay.

I'm sure it'll be for the best if marines think that being gay makes you inherently inferior. Should do wonders for the chain of command.

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He isin the military know. If he can't handle...

What makes you think he can't? The whole thread people have been saying that the author of this letter can't handle his training or being a marine and none seem to be able to back that assertion up.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I won't feel sorry for a gay being called a fag in the MARINES? If you're signing up to risk your life for a nation, how is a simple word stopping you?

You might die defending your nation. Some respect might be in order.

By that reasoning, drill instructors shouldn't be mean to the men they're training at all.

[The Zeonic States]

Slavery, protestant christrian values, The Legality of Canabis and Hating the Dutch.

To be fair i agree with three of the four.

Technically, you agree with all of them, since Protestant Christian values included slavery up until about a century ago.

You do also realize that's not the ONLY thing this country was built upon, right?

Oh no i was talking about the Christian Values.

I totally support the legality and sovereign right of an Individual Nation to practice Slavery.


And of course many Nations take various influences.

[Orcoa]

They need to get the fuck over it. It is the DI's job to effectively crush the soul of the recruit he is training. If he finds out something about a recruit that is easily mocked, I am sure he will take advantage of it. That would include being gay.

They shouldn't have to make allowances for certain people. They're training Marines, not pussies who whine every time someone uses a word they don't like.

They need to be flat-out told to man up and take the shit.

The DI's was breaking the rule that the Marines have by telling one of the recruits a Fag.

He dishonors the Corp with his language and the Recruit is right to tell people about this.

This is the fucking USA military, not the russian military or china's.

We have standards here dude

[Prussia-Steinbach]

They need to get the fuck over it. It is the DI's job to effectively crush the soul of the recruit he is training. If he finds out something about a recruit that is easily mocked, I am sure he will take advantage of it. That would include being gay.

I'm sure it'll be for the best if marines think that being gay makes you inherently inferior. Should do wonders for the chain of command.

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He isin the military know. If he can't handle...

What makes you think he can't? The whole thread people have been saying that the author of this letter can't handle his training or being a marine and none seem to be able to back that assertion up.

i guess they just assumed, since he sent a letter home with a full paragraph of complaint about it.

[The Rich Port]

You might die defending your nation. Some respect might be in order.

By that reasoning, drill instructors shouldn't be mean to the men they're training at all.

Maybe they shouldn't.

Honestly, it might just be giving them sore throats instead of doing any good.

What's creepier: the guy who's all angry and roaring about killing you, or the guy who is polite and smiling when he shoots you in the face?

[The Marxist State]

Would you hold this view if the sergeant was calling the black recruits niggers?

Because that never happens.

[Ifreann]

I'm sure it'll be for the best if marines think that being gay makes you inherently inferior. Should do wonders for the chain of command.

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What makes you think he can't? The whole thread people have been saying that the author of this letter can't handle his training or being a marine and none seem to be able to back that assertion up.

i guess they just assumed, since he sent a letter home with a full paragraph of complaint about it.

So what? I bet recruits complain about all manner of shit when they write home. He hasn't quit, has he?

[Ovisterra]

He isin the military know.

They need to get the fuck over it. It is the DI's job to effectively crush the soul of the recruit he is training. If he finds out something about a recruit that is easily mocked, I am sure he will take advantage of it. That would include being gay.

So you think government employees should be encouraged to be racist, homophobic and any other type of asshole you'd care to name?

If there was a black recruit and he was called a "worthless nigger", would you be OK with that?

They shouldn't have to make allowances for certain people.

I agree. Don't call anyone a "fag".

They're training Marines, not pussies who whine every time someone uses a word they don't like.

You're so tough.

They need to be flat-out told to man up

First the supporting of homophobia, now you're being sexist. Well done.

and take the shit.

Sounds unsanitary.

[Blekksprutia]

You might die defending your nation. Some respect might be in order.

By that reasoning, drill instructors shouldn't be mean to the men they're training at all.

They should be mean. They shouldn't be bigoted.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

The DI's was breaking the rule that the Marines have by telling one of the recruits a Fag.

What rule?

He dishonors the Corp with his language and the Recruit is right to tell people about this.

Are you fucking kidding me? Have you ever even talked to a person that was in the military? I'm pretty damn sure a Marine DI uses more vulgar language in a single day than you've ever heard in your life.

This is the fucking USA military, not the russian military or china's. We have standards here dude

I'm an American, and damn proud of it. And we have a reputation for having a damn good military. You don't get a damn good military by being nice to new entries.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

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[Ifreann]

The DI's was breaking the rule that the Marines have by telling one of the recruits a Fag.

What rule?

I'd also like to point something out for all the armchair DIs telling us how recruits need to be called faggots so they can be broken down or whatever.

[Marine Corps spokesman Captain Richard] Ulsh also said that the letter accuses drill instructors of using language and acting in a manner that is not tolerated in boot camp.

"I mean, we're all human. ... There are people who might do that," Ulsh told HuffPost. "But the way [the recruit] talks about it is like it happens every day all the time. There are strict measures enforced that prevent those sorts of things from happening."

Drill Instructors are not even allowed to "drop f-bombs," according to Ulsh, and if they were throwing around offensive slurs, "there would certainly be repercussions."

The actual fucking Marine Corps does not allow the kind of language and behaviour being complained of. The Marine Corps does not feel the need to call its recruits faggots in boot camp. So come on. Tell us how you know more about how to train a marine than they do.

This is the fucking USA military, not the russian military or china's. We have standards here dude

I'm an American, and damn proud of it. And we have a reputation for having a damn good military. You don't get a damn good military by being nice to new entries.

How would you know?

[Onekawa-Nukanor]

They need to get the fuck over it. It is the DI's job to effectively crush the soul of the recruit he is training. If he finds out something about a recruit that is easily mocked, I am sure he will take advantage of it. That would include being gay.

I'm sure it'll be for the best if marines think that being gay makes you inherently inferior. Should do wonders for the chain of command.

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He isin the military know. If he can't handle...

What makes you think he can't? The whole thread people have been saying that the author of this letter can't handle his training or being a marine and none seem to be able to back that assertion up.

They need to get the fuck over it. It is the DI's job to effectively crush the soul of the recruit he is training. If he finds out something about a recruit that is easily mocked, I am sure he will take advantage of it. That would include being gay.

I'm sure it'll be for the best if marines think that being gay makes you inherently inferior. Should do wonders for the chain of command.

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He isin the military know. If he can't handle...

What makes you think he can't? The whole thread people have been saying that the author of this letter can't handle his training or being a marine and none seem to be able to back that assertion up.

If you read the rest of that sentence, I never said he couldn't handle the training (in regards to the physical aspect and so forth) to be a marine. If he can't handle being called names which is part of seemingly almost every training regime for a military, and use that to claim that, of course the instructor has to be 'anti-gay'. No, he couldn't be insulting you like everyone else.

As I stated earlier, if some fat guy complained about being called 'piggy' no one would care. But if your gay and called a fag it must be serious.

[The Ben Boys]

Uh, that's how boot camp works. They insult your mothers, lack of mothers, size of your penis, etc, etc, and most of them are intended to be very real. I don't believe he did anything wrong, as they are supposed to insult them and be "mean" as you say. That's the intent: to bombard the recruits with physical, mental, and emotional challenges in the form of actions and words so that when something as stressful as combat comes around they don't freeze up or get jittery and potentially cause the death or endanger their entire unit. I wouldn't hold it against him if he insulted my race, gender, orientation, physique, or the sacred ground for me, my religion. The last one would piss me off a lot, which is the point, but I'd also understand it's his job.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

So you think government employees should be encouraged to be racist, homophobic and any other type of asshole you'd care to name?

A Marine drill instructor? Yes.

If there was a black recruit and he was called a "worthless nigger", would you be OK with that?

Yes. Just as I would be okay with a DI calling a white recruit a "white-ass honky."

I agree. Don't call anyone a "fag".

How about they start calling everyone a fag?

It's specialised. Overweight pole will be called fat-asses, blacks niggers, whites crackers, and gays fags.

You're so tough.

I just want the Marines to be.

First the supporting of homophobia, now you're being sexist. Well done.

1. I'm not "supporting homphobia." First of all, I'm not afraid of gays, and I doubt those DIs are either. Second, I support homosexual marriage.

2. "(idiomatic) to "be a man about it"; to do the things a good man is traditionally expected to do, such as: taking responsibility for the consequences of one's actions; displaying bravery or toughness in the face of adversity; providing for one's family, etc."

Are men not allowed to display bravery or toughness anymore? Can there be no differences between the sexes?

[Ifreann]

I'm sure it'll be for the best if marines think that being gay makes you inherently inferior. Should do wonders for the chain of command.

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What makes you think he can't? The whole thread people have been saying that the author of this letter can't handle his training or being a marine and none seem to be able to back that assertion up.

If you read the rest of that sentence, I never said he couldn't handle the training (in regards to the physical aspect and so forth) to be a marine. If he can't handle being called names which is part of seemingly almost every training regime for a military, and use that to claim that, of course the instructor has to be 'anti-gay'. No, he couldn't be insulting you like everyone else.

I read it. I was referring to other people saying similar things about what this person can handle. I'm still waiting on a good answer.

As I stated earlier, if some fat guy complained about being called 'piggy' no one would care. But if your gay and called a fag it must be serious.

Being fat is relevant to soldiering. Being gay isn't.

[Ovisterra]

Uh, that's how boot camp works.

You know more about boot camp than the Marine Corps, who have a rule against this sort of thing?

[Vazdania]

Honestly? That guy should probably grow a pair.

that awkward moment when I agree with Knightkill.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

By that reasoning, drill instructors shouldn't be mean to the men they're training at all.

They should be mean. They shouldn't be bigoted.

Once again: It's specialised. They make fun of the recruits. They make fun of them for who they are. Being homosexual is part of who they are, and will be made fun of, just as being white, black, Asian, fat, skinny, etc.