Gay recruit complains about being called a fag in USMC

[Cannot think of a name]

I won't feel sorry for a gay being called a fag in the MARINES? If you're signing up to risk your life for a nation, how is a simple word stopping you?

You're signing up to risk your life for your nation, is it too much to ask that the nation respect your sexuality in return?

[Agymnum]

I won't feel sorry for a gay being called a fag in the MARINES? If you're signing up to risk your life for a nation, how is a simple word stopping you?

If your nation is not willing to respect things like sexuality or race, then fuck defending your nation. Ain't worth defending.

[Democratic Koyro]

I won't feel sorry for a gay being called a fag in the MARINES? If you're signing up to risk your life for a nation, how is a simple word stopping you?

You're signing up to risk your life for your nation, is it too much to ask that the nation respect your sexuality in return?

I say they call all the heterosexual recruits "You Gay Motherfucker" and all the homosexual recruits "You Straight Motherfucker"

Everybody wins.

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

I won't feel sorry for a gay being called a fag in the MARINES? If you're signing up to risk your life for a nation, how is a simple word stopping you?

You're signing up to risk your life for your nation, is it too much to ask that the nation respect your sexuality in return?

It's hard to do that when your nation is still divided on this issue.

[Agymnum]

You're signing up to risk your life for your nation, is it too much to ask that the nation respect your sexuality in return?

It's hard to do that when your nation is still divided on this issue.

So then gays should protest by dropping out of the military? I mean if the only recourse to being respect is to drop out (since apparently the military tolerating gays is just too much to ask for) then surely they must drop out.

I'm sure the military is clamoring for less manpower.

[The Rich Port]

I'm confused as to how calling a recruit a fag makes them try being faster at, say, re-assembling their rifle after taking it apart, or running faster.

Does having sex with women... Make you better at re-assembling a rifle?

It's a long, hard, piece of machinery that discharges large projectives forged of lead, brass, and death.

Heterosexuals wouldn't think of any innuendos. *Nods*

The analogy is WAAAAY off.

Are you also saying that it's a deadly weapon and can kill an enemy from 150 yards?

In that case, we need to regulate penises and keep them away from women.

Oh, rigt... The military already does that.

[Ifreann]

And calling someone a faggot in basic training somehow renders them immune to this?

I fail to see how a sexual slur prepares them for getting castrated, stabbed, tortured, and "a whole variety of not really preferable actions".

Edging up over a verbal insult is nothing, it's a verbal insult, it can't hurt you.

Bullets, knives, grenades, artillery shells in the sand, and people who generally do not prefer your sexual conduct within their nation alongside the general misfortunes associated with your army causing chaos and turmoil in their land - can.

Oh yes, there's no way that teaching marines that gay soldiers are inherently inferior could go badly. Certainly it won't put them in danger when they don't give due regard to orders coming from gay officers or what have you.

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Cant speak for the Marines. But I was in the Navy for a little while. And while in boot camp they made it clear pretty much that I had no rights. That they owned me, and could pretty much do whatever.

Now obviously there are some limitations. They cant beat us. But at the same time I never heard any of my Petty Officers or Chiefs make a racist remark. Or a sexist one. So I suppose this particular case would fall under these catagories.

So, calling a recruit faggot is not needed. Hell, I was called alot of things but my Petty Officers never called any of my recruit mates a faggot. And we had three homosexuals in the Division of 324.

So, yeah maybe the Navy is ahead of the Marines in this regard.

Someone mentioned earlier that the Marine Corps had the highest opposition to DADT being removed, so yeah, the Navy is ahead of them. So are all the other branches.

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This is the Marine Core, if you can't take an insult, then I don't want you in it.

Hahaha, brilliant.

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No, when they fail, they give them sticker with a sad face on it.

But you can't tell them that they failed because that'll hurt their feelings. They get a "You did you're best and we're proud of you for it" award.

The insecurity on display here is just precious.

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I won't feel sorry for a gay being called a fag in the MARINES? If you're signing up to risk your life for a nation, how is a simple word stopping you?

Who said it's stopping him? I have been asking this over and over and I don't think I've gotten an answer yet.

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I'd also like to point something out for all the armchair DIs telling us how recruits need to be called faggots so they can be broken down or whatever.

[Marine Corps spokesman Captain Richard] Ulsh also said that the letter accuses drill instructors of using language and acting in a manner that is not tolerated in boot camp.

"I mean, we're all human. ... There are people who might do that," Ulsh told HuffPost. "But the way [the recruit] talks about it is like it happens every day all the time. There are strict measures enforced that prevent those sorts of things from happening."

Drill Instructors are not even allowed to "drop f-bombs," according to Ulsh, and if they were throwing around offensive slurs, "there would certainly be repercussions."

The actual fucking Marine Corps does not allow the kind of language and behaviour being complained of. The Marine Corps does not feel the need to call its recruits faggots in boot camp. So come on. Tell us how you know more about how to train a marine than they do.

[Strykla]

I won't feel sorry for a gay being called a fag in the MARINES? If you're signing up to risk your life for a nation, how is a simple word stopping you?

You're signing up to risk your life for your nation, is it too much to ask that the nation respect your sexuality in return?

It has little to do with actually harboring malicious feelings toward someone because of their sexual orientation. It is the job of DIs to break down people's minds, then rebuild them into a fighter with a sense of discipline. Name-calling is hardly where it stops; if you want to see a good example of what it looks like, then go to Gunnery Sergeant Hartmann from Full Metal Jacket. Stanley Kubrick got a real former drill sergeant and told him to play it straight. I've got friends in the Marines who say that it was a perfect imitation.

[Ifreann]

You're signing up to risk your life for your nation, is it too much to ask that the nation respect your sexuality in return?

It has little to do with actually harboring malicious feelings toward someone because of their sexual orientation. It is the job of DIs to break down people's minds, then rebuild them into a fighter with a sense of discipline. Name-calling is hardly where it stops; if you want to see a good example of what it looks like, then go to Gunnery Sergeant Hartmann from Full Metal Jacket. Stanley Kubrick got a real former drill sergeant and told him to play it straight. I've got friends in the Marines who say that it was a perfect imitation.

You get that Full Metal Jacket was set in the 70s, right? And that R. Lee Ermey was a drill instructor only in the mid 60s? And that is it now 2013?

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Once again, we see that the U.S. military is fundamentally an anti-American institution, and a cancer on a free society.

[Agymnum]

It has little to do with actually harboring malicious feelings toward someone because of their sexual orientation. It is the job of DIs to break down people's minds, then rebuild them into a fighter with a sense of discipline. Name-calling is hardly where it stops; if you want to see a good example of what it looks like, then go to Gunnery Sergeant Hartmann from Full Metal Jacket. Stanley Kubrick got a real former drill sergeant and told him to play it straight. I've got friends in the Marines who say that it was a perfect imitation.

You get that Full Metal Jacket was set in the 70s, right? And that R. Lee Ermey was a drill instructor only in the mid 60s? And that is it now 2013?

It's good to know that times haven't changed.

The same methods that applied in the 70s clearly apply now.

[Cannot think of a name]

You're signing up to risk your life for your nation, is it too much to ask that the nation respect your sexuality in return?

It's hard to do that when your nation is still divided on this issue.

It's really not. WBC is not training these people, a Marine and representative of the United States government is.

[Agymnum]

Once again, we see that the U.S. military is fundamentally an anti-American institution, and a cancer on a free society.

Aw, crap. Here it comes.

[Democratic Koyro]

Once again, we see that the U.S. military is fundamentally an anti-American institution, and a cancer on a free society.

The plaguebearer emerges.

[The Rich Port]

Once again, we see that the U.S. military is fundamentally an anti-American institution, and a cancer on a free society.

You're gonna have to do your own thread for that because I fail to see how that has anything to do with the military as a whole.

This was an incident in the USMC, which is one branch of the military.

[Ifreann]

Once again, we see that the U.S. military is fundamentally an anti-American institution, and a cancer on a free society.

You're gonna have to do your own thread for that because I fail to see how that has anything to do with the military as a whole.

This was an incident in the USMC, which is one branch of the military.

And apparently they don't allow the kind of behaviour being alleged.

[Democratic Koyro]

Once again, we see that the U.S. military is fundamentally an anti-American institution, and a cancer on a free society.

You're gonna have to do your own thread for that because I fail to see how that has anything to do with the military as a whole.

This was an incident in the USMC, which is one branch of the military.

He had his own thread a few days ago, where he pissed on Memorial Day and Veterans Day and cried about how Soldiers are basically worthless trash.

"Dogpiling" would be an appropriate term for what ensured

[Meryuma]

Hell they call the strait recruits fags too. Isn't this Equality?

Doesn't explain this:

That's more wrong than two boys f-----g."

I mean, there's saying "fag", and then there's using gay people as the standard by which to judge all moral and physical "wrongness". What if they went around saying "you're dumber than a nigger"? Should they just
"grow a thicker skin" and "stop being so PC"?

[Ifreann]

Oh look, now the thread is about Bluth because some people just cannot keep their cool around someone who *gasp* doesn't like soldiers enough!

[Orcoa]

Once again, we see that the U.S. military is fundamentally an anti-American institution, and a cancer on a free society.

Oh boy here we go...

[Agymnum]

Oh look, now the thread is about Bluth because some people just cannot keep their cool around someone who *gasp* doesn't like soldiers enough!

It's more that he insists on getting off-topic by focusing on how the military is bad in-general rather than how one branch is being discriminatory. It gets tiring after a while.

[Democratic Koyro]

Once again, we see that the U.S. military is fundamentally an anti-American institution, and a cancer on a free society.

Oh boy here we go...

Lets just ignore him, all he does is spout the same rancid bullshit in an attempt to get a rise out of people. I'm not saying "Troll", but it is an appropriate label at this point.

[Orcoa]

You're gonna have to do your own thread for that because I fail to see how that has anything to do with the military as a whole.

This was an incident in the USMC, which is one branch of the military.

And apparently they don't allow the kind of behaviour being alleged.

Well that's because the USMC, Navy, Army, and Air Force are becoming a more diverse so it is wrong for someone to say such like this.

[The Rich Port]

You're gonna have to do your own thread for that because I fail to see how that has anything to do with the military as a whole.

This was an incident in the USMC, which is one branch of the military.

He had his own thread a few days ago, where he pissed on Memorial Day and Veterans Day and cried about how Soldiers are basically worthless trash.

"Dogpiling" would be an appropriate term for what ensured

To be fair, if ever we can achieve world peace, they will be worthless as a rule.

But until that time, they get a job.

I fail to see how discrimination is an argument against the military.

Discrimination has been a part of a whole shit-ton of institutions throughout history.

[Ovisterra]

Calling anyone a "fag" is bad. Homophobia is bad. Don't be homophobic.

Someone posted this on tumblr earlier, it really spoke to me.