Gay recruit complains about being called a fag in USMC

[Northern Dominus]

This is unacceptable for a Drill Sergeant to call a recruit such a name. If he wants to get under his skin, then he should that think that thing he has on top of his head and be creative with the insults like this.

"You are so scummy you are not fit to be the shit between the ground and my boot!"

Or

"You little rat fucker, you are not fit to be in that uniform. I rather see a retarded chimp take your place, he at lest know half the fuck he doing!"

Or

"Did your momma carry you around until you were 15 because you were too fat to walk?! Run faster [NAME REDACTED] or I'm a-gonna send you back to her in pieces!"

Or

"You weasel-faced asshole! If you can't even maintain a footlocker properly then you better pack your shit up and drop right the fuck now!"

[Orcoa]

This is unacceptable for a Drill Sergeant to call a recruit such a name. If he wants to get under his skin, then he should that think that thing he has on top of his head and be creative with the insults like this.

"You are so scummy you are not fit to be the shit between the ground and my boot!"

Or

"You little rat fucker, you are not fit to be in that uniform. I rather see a retarded chimp take your place, he at lest know half the fuck he doing!"

Or

"Did your momma carry you around until you were 15 because you were too fat to walk?! Run faster [NAME REDACTED] or I'm a-gonna send you back to her in pieces!"

Or

"You weasel-faced asshole! If you can't even maintain a footlocker properly then you better pack your shit up and drop right the fuck now!"

OH man!

I can do this all day!

[Agymnum]

It's their choice to join the military. They shouldn't get to complain because it's too hard. He needs to just shut up and deal with it, crying about it isn't helping his cause.

Clearly this is the kind of man you want watching your back when you're stuck in a foxhole or in a building being shot at by insurgents.

[Uelvan]

This is the Marine Core, if you can't take an insult, then I don't want you in it.

This is the Marine Corps. If you are such a dumb shit you cannot spell properly, I don't want you in it, either.

See, that's the kind of insult a drill sergeant should use. It points out a flaw and addresses it. Pointing out homosexuality (which isn't a flaw) doesn't do anyone any good.

No, but it break them down, which is the purpose of bootcamp. You break them down and build them back up.

[Orcoa]

This is the Marine Corps. If you are such a dumb shit you cannot spell properly, I don't want you in it, either.

See, that's the kind of insult a drill sergeant should use. It points out a flaw and addresses it. Pointing out homosexuality (which isn't a flaw) doesn't do anyone any good.

No, but it break them down, which is the purpose of bootcamp. You break them down and build them back up.

That is not breaking them down in the right way or the healthy way.

You break them down correctly so then they can build you back up, not turn you into some psychopath.

They have rules for this kind of stuff now thanks to the military coming into the more diverse USA of the 21st century.

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

This is the Marine Core, if you can't take an insult, then I don't want you in it.

This is the Marine Corps. If you are such a dumb shit you cannot spell properly, I don't want you in it, either.

See, that's the kind of insult a drill sergeant should use. It points out a flaw and addresses it. Pointing out homosexuality (which isn't a flaw) doesn't do anyone any good.

It is a flaw when your enlisting to go to some sodding desert full of explosions, bullets, and very angry people, but you are rather insulted by a simple verbal comment within training camp. What are you going to do when they yell at you? What are you going to do when they come for your skull? Life isn't always a nice place, and war doesn't always have a complain office.

[Northern Dominus]

This is the Marine Corps. If you are such a dumb shit you cannot spell properly, I don't want you in it, either.

See, that's the kind of insult a drill sergeant should use. It points out a flaw and addresses it. Pointing out homosexuality (which isn't a flaw) doesn't do anyone any good.

No, but it break them down, which is the purpose of bootcamp. You break them down and build them back up.

Right. And it's hard to build somebody up when you're not smart enough to avoid deliberately divisive and loaded slurs that are designed to single people out as "the other", and instead delve into the wide world of general vulgarity to get a point across. If somebody can't think laterally enough to stay away from that language then they shouldn't be in a position where they will influence the next generation of Marines, period.

[Agymnum]

This is the Marine Corps. If you are such a dumb shit you cannot spell properly, I don't want you in it, either.

See, that's the kind of insult a drill sergeant should use. It points out a flaw and addresses it. Pointing out homosexuality (which isn't a flaw) doesn't do anyone any good.

No, but it break them down, which is the purpose of bootcamp. You break them down and build them back up.

Break them down for proper, justifiable reasons: laziness, stupidity, arrogance, naivety.

Breaking them down based on race, gender, or sexuality is just fucking lazy, fucking stupid, and fucking arrogant. How ironic.

[Immoren]

Or

"Did your momma carry you around until you were 15 because you were too fat to walk?! Run faster [NAME REDACTED] or I'm a-gonna send you back to her in pieces!"

Or

"You weasel-faced asshole! If you can't even maintain a footlocker properly then you better pack your shit up and drop right the fuck now!"

OH man!

I can do this all day!

And then calling whole platoon/squad into form and ordering them to stand in lake, some where between knee and ankle deep, in form and in attention for five minutes.

[Mizrad]

It's their choice to join the military. They shouldn't get to complain because it's too hard. He needs to just shut up and deal with it, crying about it isn't helping his cause.

Clearly this is the kind of man you want watching your back when you're stuck in a foxhole or in a building being shot at by insurgents.

Well he's not going to be the one complaining about shit, he's going to be the one shutting up after telling you to shut up so direct and proper orders can be issued to bring down what ever out there is shooting at you. If your broken down from being called a faggot what's getting shot at going to do to you?

[Agymnum]

Clearly this is the kind of man you want watching your back when you're stuck in a foxhole or in a building being shot at by insurgents.

Well he's not going to be the one complaining about shit, he's going to be the one shutting up after telling you to shut up so direct and proper orders can be issued to bring down what ever out there is shooting at you. If your broken down from being called a faggot what's getting shot at going to do to you?

If you insist that he bottle up his problems, what happens when he snaps and shoots you in the face instead of the guy across the street who's taking pot-shots through the windows?

Pissing off your future comrades-in-arms is a great way to build unit cohesion *nods*.

[Alimprad]

If someone just thinks up some way of dodging a simple question rather than realise the opposition has a point, what place have they got on a forum?

The point is that if the military instructors are using sexual/racial/ethnic slurs just because they're too fucking lazy to come up with something more original and perhaps more insulting personally (i.e. insulting on the basis of laziness or slowness, which are changeable features), then they're just not fucking doing their jobs, are they?

If theyr going to be kind then theyr under preparing them for the battlefield, nobodys going to be kind to you because your gay on the battlefield.

[Mike the Progressive]

There's a million insults that aren't homophobic slurs, they can use those instead.

Until it becomes too hurtful, then we have to launch a national campaign to stop its usage.

As for the recruit, he can get over it.

[Democratic Koyro]

The point is that if the military instructors are using sexual/racial/ethnic slurs just because they're too fucking lazy to come up with something more original and perhaps more insulting personally (i.e. insulting on the basis of laziness or slowness, which are changeable features), then they're just not fucking doing their jobs, are they?

If theyr going to be kind then theyr under preparing them for the battlefield, nobodys going to be kind to you because your gay on the battlefield.

Nobody is going to be kind to you regardless of who you are on the battlefield.

[Agymnum]

The point is that if the military instructors are using sexual/racial/ethnic slurs just because they're too fucking lazy to come up with something more original and perhaps more insulting personally (i.e. insulting on the basis of laziness or slowness, which are changeable features), then they're just not fucking doing their jobs, are they?

If theyr going to be kind then theyr under preparing them for the battlefield, nobodys going to be kind to you because your gay on the battlefield.

At the same time, on the battlefield no one's going to point out you're gay because they're too busy shooting at you.

Same reason why you don't see drill sergeants pull the race card. Race is irrelevant to whether or not your opponent decides to put a bullet in your skull.

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

No, but it break them down, which is the purpose of bootcamp. You break them down and build them back up.

Break them down for proper, justifiable reasons: laziness, stupidity, arrogance, naivety.

Breaking them down based on race, gender, or sexuality is just fucking lazy, fucking stupid, and fucking arrogant. How ironic.

Well, nothing unites people like being in a trench together with high amounts of enemy fire going over your head.

Everyone in your platoon is going to love you after you return from campaigning.

[Democratic Koyro]

There's a million insults that aren't homophobic slurs, they can use those instead.

Until it becomes too hurtful, then we have to launch a national campaign to stop its usage.

Then all Drill Sergeants have to tip toe and treat all the recruits nice and give them gold stars even if they fall well under expected times on obstacle courses or weapons assembly.

[Mizrad]

Well he's not going to be the one complaining about shit, he's going to be the one shutting up after telling you to shut up so direct and proper orders can be issued to bring down what ever out there is shooting at you. If your broken down from being called a faggot what's getting shot at going to do to you?

If you insist that he bottle up his problems, what happens when he snaps and shoots you in the face instead of the guy across the street who's taking pot-shots through the windows?

Pissing off your future comrades-in-arms is a great way to build unit cohesion *nods*.

You've got a point there but SOI and MOS school is the time to sort that out, when the DI's are referring to you as a Marine not a piece of shit. Also combat isn't the best time to be saying you're sorry. I can think of ten different ways to prevent that from happening.

[Alimprad]

This is the Marine Core, if you can't take an insult, then I don't want you in it.

This is the Marine Corps. If you are such a dumb shit you cannot spell properly, I don't want you in it, either.

See, that's the kind of insult a drill sergeant should use. It points out a flaw and addresses it. Pointing out homosexuality (which isn't a flaw) doesn't do anyone any good.

No it isnt, but being a soldier that gets upset when someone uses a gay insult it is a flaw.

[Northern Dominus]

OH man!

I can do this all day!

And then calling whole platoon/squad into form and ordering them to stand in lake, some where between knee and ankle deep, in form and in attention for five minutes.

Oh no, the USCG has the market cornered on water-based punishment. Basic involves going out on little boats in rough seas, and inevitably this happens:

"If any one of you weak-legged pansies pukes during this cruise we're gonna do the whole thing over again!"

*BLAAAAARRRRRGGG*... within sight of shore.

"Alright, we're going around again!"

[The Rebel Alliances]

I remember the first thing we were called as a Division were 'Fucking Civilians'. Yeah, that seemed to be the worst possible label. As they made it sound like a civilian was a worthless, untrained failure who was unfit to think for himself.

I remember how proud I was at 'graduating' to a 'Fucking Recruit' hell my entire Division thought it was a promotion.

[Mike the Progressive]

Until it becomes too hurtful, then we have to launch a national campaign to stop its usage.

Then all Drill Sergeants have to tip toe and treat all the recruits nice and give them gold stars even if they fall well under expected times on obstacle courses or weapons assembly.

No, when they fail, they give them sticker with a sad face on it.

[Cannot think of a name]

This is the Marine Corps. If you are such a dumb shit you cannot spell properly, I don't want you in it, either.

See, that's the kind of insult a drill sergeant should use. It points out a flaw and addresses it. Pointing out homosexuality (which isn't a flaw) doesn't do anyone any good.

It is a flaw when your enlisting to go to some sodding desert full of explosions, bullets, and very angry people, but you are rather insulted by a simple verbal comment within training camp. What are you going to do when they yell at you? What are you going to do when they come for your skull? Life isn't always a nice place, and war doesn't always have a complain office.

In what way, exactly, is calling a gay soldier 'fag' going to make any of that better? What is the one to one relationship between the a leader in your organization deriding you and everyone else of your particular orientation and being able to have someone 'come for your skull'?

Where are the steps between, "He's coming for our skulls!" and "It's alright, in basic training my drill instructor used a slur regarding my sexuality, I got this handled!"

If we can just illustrate how fucking vital it is that drill instructors insult the sexuality of the recruits, make them 'others' to their fellow soldiers, well hell. But I'm just not seeing it.

[Blekksprutia]

God If he can't handle being called a fag he has no chance of surviving Afghan.

Who says he can't handle it? It's just wrong, so he's notifying the public that someone is being a homophobic f*ckwad to him.

[Democratic Koyro]

Then all Drill Sergeants have to tip toe and treat all the recruits nice and give them gold stars even if they fall well under expected times on obstacle courses or weapons assembly.

No, when they fail, they give them sticker with a sad face on it.

But you can't tell them that they failed because that'll hurt their feelings. They get a "You did you're best and we're proud of you for it" award.