Vaccines and whether or not there is a choice

[Tagmatium]

Why the hell are people even anti-vaccine?

Do they want to die of some horrible - yet completely preventable - disease?

[Risottia]

Why the hell are people even anti-vaccine?

Do they want to die of some horrible - yet completely preventable - disease?

Evidently yes. And they want their kids to die of it. And they want also it to spread.

[Regnum Dominae]

Why the hell are people even anti-vaccine?

Do they want to die of some horrible - yet completely preventable - disease?

Religion makes people do stupid things.

[Risottia]

No. Vaccination has saved more lives than any other human invention. Making them optional based on the nonsensical ramblings of some blonde bimbo with a nice rack...

blonde bimbo with a nice rack

blonde bimbo with a nice rack

Sorry, I got distracted.

[Zottistan]

Why the hell are people even anti-vaccine?

Do they want to die of some horrible - yet completely preventable - disease?

My aunt didn't want to get her daughter vaccinated for swine flu. She kept ranting on about pharmaceutical companies being corrupt and money-grabbing (which lead to some rather interesting conversations between her and my brother, who was vastly more intelligent than her and working as a process engineer for a large pharmaceutical company at the time).

[Tagmatium]

Why the hell are people even anti-vaccine?

Do they want to die of some horrible - yet completely preventable - disease?

Evidently yes. And they want their kids to die of it. And they want also it to spread.

It's like what we're having over in the UK.

People didn't get the MMR jab because of the false link to Autism.

Now people are coming down with measles. Completely fucking preventable, but here we are.

People who are anti-vaccine - especially on the spurious grounds of personal freedom - ought to be given a shot.

Of the vaccine.

[Risottia]

People who are anti-vaccine - especially on the spurious grounds of personal freedom - ought to be given a shot.
Of the vaccine.

I think the ECHR totally allows for forced vaccination.
Or forced confinement for health purposes.

[L Ron Cupboard]

I won't get a vaccine if it costs me anything. If it is free and I have nothing to lose, then sure.

Do you mean government subisidised and paid out of taxes so free at point of delivery, or actually free?

[Saiwania]

I won't get a vaccine if it costs me anything. If it is free and I have nothing to lose, then sure.

Do you mean government subisidised and paid out of taxes so free at point of delivery, or actually free?

Probably the subsidized one, because I know it costs money to research and manufacture vaccines. Point is, if I have to pay for it myself; I will likely decide I can manage without. I have a great immune system and I don't exactly travel to very many places where there could be sick people. I can say without a doubt that sometimes I do value my bottom line more than my own life.

[Zottistan]

Do you mean government subisidised and paid out of taxes so free at point of delivery, or actually free?

Probably the subsidized one, because I know it costs money to research and manufacture vaccines. Point is, if I have to pay for it myself; I will likely decide I can manage without. I have a great immune system and I don't exactly travel to very many places where there could be sick people. I can say without a doubt that sometimes I do value my bottom line more than my own life.

But you do have to pay for it yourself, or at least an amount of the costs proportionate to what you'd use. In your taxes.

In fact, you'd probably wind up paying more through taxes than paying by hand.

[Risottia]

But you do have to pay for it yourself, or at least an amount of the costs proportionate to what you'd use. In your taxes.

In fact, you'd probably wind up paying more through taxes than paying by hand.

That's ok for me.

I'm not happy of paying my taxes, but I'm damn proud of it.

[Zottistan]

But you do have to pay for it yourself, or at least an amount of the costs proportionate to what you'd use. In your taxes.

In fact, you'd probably wind up paying more through taxes than paying by hand.

That's ok for me.

I'm not happy of paying my taxes, but I'm damn proud of it.

Whatever floats your boat. I'm just saying that "I don't want to spend money" is a shitty reason to support spending more money.

[Risottia]

That's ok for me.

I'm not happy of paying my taxes, but I'm damn proud of it.

Whatever floats your boat. I'm just saying that "I don't want to spend money" is a shitty reason to support spending more money.

Fair enough.

[Saiwania]

But you do have to pay for it yourself, or at least an amount of the costs proportionate to what you'd use. In your taxes. In fact, you'd probably wind up paying more through taxes than paying by hand.

Taxes is what I don't have any choice about, so I generally don't mind paying tax because it is likely to be progressive. Granted, I'm not paying any taxes right now because I'm not employed. I have no income that can be collected from and I'm not using welfare or anything. Going to the doctor is something I'd definitely avoid, but a good dentist is what I'd be willing to spend money on instead.

[Zottistan]

But you do have to pay for it yourself, or at least an amount of the costs proportionate to what you'd use. In your taxes. In fact, you'd probably wind up paying more through taxes than paying by hand.

Taxes is what I don't have any choice about, so I generally don't mind paying tax because it is likely to be progressive. Granted, I'm not paying any taxes right now because I'm not employed. I have no income that can be collected from and I'm not using welfare or anything. Going to the doctor is something I'd definitely avoid, but a good dentist is what I'd be willing to spend money on instead.

But still, you'd be paying more, just through a different medium. I don't understand what difference it makes, at all.

[Torisakia]

Vaccines have saved lives, but for my life, it's too late.

That last vaccines I got were when I had to get some before I started Kindergarten.

[Dazchan]

Probably the subsidized one, because I know it costs money to research and manufacture vaccines. Point is, if I have to pay for it myself; I will likely decide I can manage without. I have a great immune system and I don't exactly travel to very many places where there could be sick people. I can say without a doubt that sometimes I do value my bottom line more than my own life.

But you do have to pay for it yourself, or at least an amount of the costs proportionate to what you'd use. In your taxes.

In fact, you'd probably wind up paying more through taxes than paying by hand.

Medicare levy in Australia: 1.5% of income

Amount I paid last financial year: $1125

Clearly I'm paying more for my healthcare

[Saiwania]

But still, you'd be paying more, just through a different medium. I don't understand what difference it makes, at all.

If your income bracket is too low to cover the full cost of the new vaccine, you wouldn't be paying more. But if your income is high enough then yes, you might be better off just buying it directly.

[Densaner]

Vaccines should be optional. Forcing someone to undergo a medical procedure, however limited is a breach of the rights of that person.

[Herador]

If I was five, I would say ban all shots forever because the lollipop and sticker I get afterwards totally aren't worth it. But you know, I'm not five, so inject away.

[Zottistan]

But you do have to pay for it yourself, or at least an amount of the costs proportionate to what you'd use. In your taxes.

In fact, you'd probably wind up paying more through taxes than paying by hand.

Medicare levy in Australia: 1.5% of income

Amount I paid last financial year: $1125

Clearly I'm paying more for my healthcare

On the long run, yes, you probably are.

[SaintB]

Vaccines should be optional. Forcing someone to undergo a medical procedure, however limited is a breach of the rights of that person.

What about the breach of my rights when they catch rubella and cause an epidemic? Their right to get deathly ill suddenly supersedes my right to be healthy?

[Dezumanian Tribe]

Vaccines should be optional. Forcing someone to undergo a medical procedure, however limited is a breach of the rights of that person.

You aren't allowed to murder, so why would you be allowed to potentially spread a deadly disease? If it might hurt others it is NOT your bussiness, it's for the government...

Edit: You can't have unlimited personal freedom, because one man's freedom is another man's shackle.

[Wisconsin9]

Vaccines should be optional. Forcing someone to undergo a medical procedure, however limited is a breach of the rights of that person.

What about the breach of my rights when they catch rubella and cause an epidemic? Their right to get deathly ill suddenly supersedes my right to be healthy?

Apparently so, because science is evil and trying to destroy the omnicidal glory of God's spectacular diseases.

[Nidaria]

There should be a choice in receiving a vaccine. Forcing a person to take one would be authoritarian and draconian.