Vaccines and whether or not there is a choice

[Vitaphone Racing]

First, I'd like to start off with this chart:



In basic summary, the pseudo-science pushed by major anti-vaccination bodies and then the concerned parents who believe this bullshit gets me riled up.

The facts are:

• Any risked posed by being immunized by far outweigh the dangers which the vaccine is intended to prevent.
• Modern vaccines are rigorously tested before being applied. They are not untested and do not pose serious side effects.
• Attempting to build natural immunity is dangerous and no more effective than vaccine-induced immunisation. Although natural immunity is permanent, vaccines can always be taken again.
• Immunisation does not overload the immune system
• Eradicating diseases depends on the immunity of everybody. Therefore not being immunised poses a risk to others and not just yourself

Source, Source, Source, Source

I hope everybody on NSG accepts the importance of vaccinations and wholeheartedly rejects any false opposition created by anti-vaccination bodies. If you still aren't clear on the importance of vaccines, please read the above links over and over until the message sinks in.

As there is often no legitimate medical reason to oppose vaccinations, should parents be allowed to choose whether or not to vaccinate their children, should adults be allowed to refuse vaccination and should anti-vaccine bodies be allowed to spread lies and deceit about the effectiveness of vaccinations?

Keep in mind that anyone who isn't immunized and risks contracting the disease undermines "herd immunity" and poses a threat to the health of their community.

I liken the anti-vaccine body as shouting fire in a crowded theatre as their speech is false and represents a danger to society.

[Blazedtown]

No. Vaccination has saved more lives than any other human invention. Making them optional based on the nonsensical ramblings of some blonde bimbo with a nice rack is insane.

[Alimprad]

First, I'd like to start off with this chart:

(Image)

In basic summary, the pseudo-science pushed by major anti-vaccination bodies and then the concerned parents who believe this bullshit gets me riled up.

The facts are:

• Any risked posed by being immunized by far outweigh the dangers which the vaccine is intended to prevent.
• Modern vaccines are rigorously tested before being applied. They are not untested and do not pose serious side effects.
• Attempting to build natural immunity is dangerous and no more effective than vaccine-induced immunisation. Although natural immunity is permanent, vaccines can always be taken again.
• Immunisation does not overload the immune system
• Eradicating diseases depends on the immunity of everybody. Therefore not being immunised poses a risk to others and not just yourself

Source, Source, Source, Source

I hope everybody on NSG accepts the importance of vaccinations and wholeheartedly rejects any false opposition created by anti-vaccination bodies. If you still aren't clear on the importance of vaccines, please read the above links over and over until the message sinks in.

As there is often no legitimate medical reason to oppose vaccinations, should parents be allowed to choose whether or not to vaccinate their children, should adults be allowed to refuse vaccination and should anti-vaccine bodies be allowed to spread lies and deceit about the effectiveness of vaccinations?

Keep in mind that anyone who isn't immunized and risks contracting the disease undermines "herd immunity" and poses a threat to the health of their community.

I liken the anti-vaccine body as shouting fire in a crowded theatre as their speech is false and represents a danger to society.

just because you sound so stressed about the problem, im going to disagree with you, parents should be allowed to refuse and anti-vaccine bodies should be allowed spread lies.
what I dont get about vaccination is people struggle so much to save animals and prevent extinction, what makes micro-organisms so different, the human populations already to high, why are we trying to make it higher by destroying other organisms?

[Vitaphone Racing]

First, I'd like to start off with this chart:

(Image)

In basic summary, the pseudo-science pushed by major anti-vaccination bodies and then the concerned parents who believe this bullshit gets me riled up.

The facts are:

• Any risked posed by being immunized by far outweigh the dangers which the vaccine is intended to prevent.
• Modern vaccines are rigorously tested before being applied. They are not untested and do not pose serious side effects.
• Attempting to build natural immunity is dangerous and no more effective than vaccine-induced immunisation. Although natural immunity is permanent, vaccines can always be taken again.
• Immunisation does not overload the immune system
• Eradicating diseases depends on the immunity of everybody. Therefore not being immunised poses a risk to others and not just yourself

Source, Source, Source, Source

I hope everybody on NSG accepts the importance of vaccinations and wholeheartedly rejects any false opposition created by anti-vaccination bodies. If you still aren't clear on the importance of vaccines, please read the above links over and over until the message sinks in.

As there is often no legitimate medical reason to oppose vaccinations, should parents be allowed to choose whether or not to vaccinate their children, should adults be allowed to refuse vaccination and should anti-vaccine bodies be allowed to spread lies and deceit about the effectiveness of vaccinations?

Keep in mind that anyone who isn't immunized and risks contracting the disease undermines "herd immunity" and poses a threat to the health of their community.

I liken the anti-vaccine body as shouting fire in a crowded theatre as their speech is false and represents a danger to society.

just because you sound so stressed about the problem, im going to disagree with you, parents should be allowed to refuse and anti-vaccine bodies should be allowed spread lies.

So you support children being exposed to life-threatening diseases based on their parents whim just because you have to disagree with me. What an intelligent argument.

what I dont get about vaccination is people struggle so much to save animals and prevent extinction, what makes micro-organisms so different, the human populations already to high, why are we trying to make it higher by destroying other organisms?

What I don't get is how this is the least bit relevant?

[The Sector Union]

I don't know why a 1 second solution to saving lives is even a problem.

[Malfunction]

I don't know why a 1 second solution to saving lives is even a problem.

BUT MOMMY IT HURTS, ALFRED TOLD ME SO!

[Regnum Dominae]

Anyone who opposes vaccines is either delusional or willfully ignorant.

I oppose the so called "vaccine choice" advocacy. Parents shouldn't have a choice to deliberately put their kids in harm's way due to silly pseudoscience and religious beliefs.

[The Sector Union]

I don't know why a 1 second solution to saving lives is even a problem.

BUT MOMMY IT HURTS, ALFRED TOLD ME SO!

There is actually an alternate vaccine option. Nasal spray.

[The Holy Therns]

No, I haven't found an acceptable reason to reject vaccination, yet. None short of "But needles are scawy".

[Greater Pokarnia]

Vaccines should not be optional. By refusing to get one you put everybody else in danger. And you definitely do not have the right to deny your child a vaccination.

[The Holy Therns]

Vaccines should not be optional. By refusing to get one you put everybody else in danger. And you definitely do not have the right to deny your child a vaccination.

BUT DON'T YOU THINK A MOTHER KNOWS BEST FOR HER CHILD!?

[Regnum Dominae]

Vaccines should not be optional. By refusing to get one you put everybody else in danger. And you definitely do not have the right to deny your child a vaccination.

This.

[Mollary]

Not giving your child a vaccine based on pseudo-science seems to essentially be child abuse and the children should be taken into care and immunised.

[Tsuntion]

I count myself lucky to have been born in Pakistan. It means that I have more vaccines than the normal British kid, and it means that I got the MMR jab at birth despite being born at the height of the scare.

If you aren't having a vaccine, the reasoning had better be something like "my sensible pro-vaccination doctor, and maybe their higher-ups too, has found that the vaccine would kill me, so I am not having it at the moment although we are working to see if something can be figured out". "Needles are scary" and "I don't believe in vaccines" and "they don't work" and "it's all a government conspiracy" won't cut it. I doubt the "would kill me" reason comes up often, so people not getting vaccinated should not come up often.

[Kilobugya]

As OP clearly showed, scientific evidence in favor of vaccines is overwhelming. And since not being vaccinated doesn't only put you at risk, but everyone around you, it's not a matter of personal preferences. Vaccination should be mandatory, and we should have world-wide policies to mass vaccinate everyone until the disease is eradicated, as we did with smallpox. Eradication of smallpox is one the greatest achievement of humanity, and we have the technical knowledge to do the same for many other diseases.

[Agritum]

I usually don't get inoculated because I don't feel the need for it, but if I the government dictated I had to take a shot, well, I would personally have no problems with it.

Though I fucking hate when the nurses fuck up and stab you in the wrong vein.

[Cashewbutter]

There are occasional medical justifications for avoiding vaccines, such as a personal or extensive family history of severe side effects. While vaccines are less risky than the disease in question for the population as a whole, that might not be true for an individual, and it's up to each adult to evaluate the risks and benefits, discussing it with a medical professional if desired, and have an opportunity to opt out or select to get only some.

[Great Nepal]

I agree that parents shouldn't be able to deny minors vaccines since they are endangering child's welfare however I am not sure about forcing it on adults, while it should ultimately be their choice what they want to put in their bodies, there is a public health concern.

[Dazchan]

I don't have a problem with vaccines being optional, but after 15 kids and 2 teachers ended up with whooping cough at my school last year, I think that they should be a condition of enrolment in public schools. I also support the legislation the Australian (or NSW, I forget which) Government's legislation to allow childcare centres to refuse kids who aren't vaccinated.

[The Nihilistic view]

My favorite injection has to be the BCG. You got to love a spring loaded contraption that fires almost a dozen needles into one's arm in one go.

[Condunum]

There are occasional medical justifications for avoiding vaccines, such as a personal or extensive family history of severe side effects. While vaccines are less risky than the disease in question for the population as a whole, that might not be true for an individual, and it's up to each adult to evaluate the risks and benefits, discussing it with a medical professional if desired, and have an opportunity to opt out or select to get only some.

Well, that's why no one who advocates for mandatory vaccinations, even for children, thinks that you should be forced to be vaccinated if it's gonna hurt you more than it helps. Which is almost NEVER does.

[Anachronous Rex]

There are occasional medical justifications for avoiding vaccines, such as a personal or extensive family history of severe side effects. While vaccines are less risky than the disease in question for the population as a whole, that might not be true for an individual, and it's up to each adult to evaluate the risks and benefits, discussing it with a medical professional if desired, and have an opportunity to opt out or select to get only some.

Well, that's why no one who advocates for mandatory vaccinations, even for children, thinks that you should be forced to be vaccinated if it's gonna hurt you more than it helps. Which is almost NEVER does.

Exactly. Obviously we're omitting for special circumstances. We're not going to force someone to take a vaccine they're deathly allergic to or something.

[Condunum]

Well, that's why no one who advocates for mandatory vaccinations, even for children, thinks that you should be forced to be vaccinated if it's gonna hurt you more than it helps. Which is almost NEVER does.

Exactly. Obviously we're omitting for special circumstances. We're not going to force someone to take a vaccine they're deathly allergic to or something.

What are we? LIBERALS?!

[Saiwania]

I won't get a vaccine if it costs me anything. If it is free and I have nothing to lose, then sure.

[Zottistan]

Vaccines should not be optional, as disease present a clear and direct danger to others.