Why dislike homosexuals?

[Tsuntion]

It is immoral and a perversion. The title might as well be "Why dislike pedophiles?"

Acting on paedophilic desires necessarily leads to nonconsensual sexual activity, so doing so is necessarily harmful and it should be prevented.
Acting on homosexual desires does not necessarily lead to nonconsensual sexual activity, so doing so is not necessarily harmful and it should not necessarily be prevented.

Slight difference.

(The phrase "not necessarily" is used to account for homosexual rape and abuse, which is of course bad, exactly as heterosexual rape and abuse is bad.)

[Neutraligon]

So Kagan is the class clown? Awesome.

I must admit listening to the tape was very funny.

[Rocopurr]

It is immoral and a perversion. The title might as well be "Why dislike pedophiles?"

What if someone likes perversion? Perversion and immorality are a matter of opinion anyways.

And don't drag pedophilia into this. A homo/bi/pansexual adult can consent to sex; a young child can't.

[Nidaria]

It is immoral and a perversion. The title might as well be "Why dislike pedophiles?"

Acting on paedophilic desires necessarily leads to nonconsensual sexual activity, so doing so is necessarily harmful and it should be prevented.
Acting on homosexual desires does not necessarily lead to nonconsensual sexual activity, so doing so is not necessarily harmful and it should not necessarily be prevented.

Slight difference.

(The phrase "not necessarily" is used to account for homosexual rape and abuse, which is of course bad, exactly as heterosexual rape and abuse is bad.)

Perhaps, but a perversion is a perversion regardless of consent. Something is not made moral simply because of consent, there is more to it than that.

[De La Fleur]

People think that it says in the bible that gay people are not ''human being'', and because people want everyone to have the same sexual orientation because everything else is either ''weird'', ''Wrong'' or ''Disgusting''. Gay people are people like everyone else... People shouldn't judge other people by their sexual orientation >,<

[Yorkopolis]

It is neither.

You do not recognize absolute morality. A perversion is a sexual orientation other than one man and one woman.

Because one's morality is inherently subjective and personal, absolute morality does not exist. And why is it that gays are "icky" or "perverted"? Tell me. Do tell, because my mind is unable to grasp why anyone would be against something as natural as humans being attracted to other humans regardless of sex.

[Galloism]

So Kagan is the class clown? Awesome.

Full exchange:

"Justice Kagan: If you are over the age of 55, you don’t help us serve the Government’s interest in regulating procreation through marriage. So why is that different?

Mr. Cooper: Your Honor, even with respect to couples over the age of 55, it is very rare that both couples — both parties to the couple are infertile, and the traditional - (Laughter.)

Justice Kagan: No, really, because if the couple — I can just assure you, if both the woman and the man are over the age of 55, there are not a lot of children coming out of that marriage. (Laughter.)

Mr. Cooper: Your Honor, society’s - society’s interest in responsible procreation isn’t just with respect to the procreative capacities of the couple itself. The marital norm, which imposes the obligations of fidelity and monogamy, Your Honor, advances the interests in responsible procreation by making it more likely that neither party, including the fertile party to that -

Justice Kagan: Actually, I’m not even -

Justice Scalia: I suppose we could have a questionnaire at the marriage desk when people come in to get the marriage — you know, Are you fertile or are you not fertile? (Laughter.)

Justice Scalia: I suspect this Court would hold that to be an unconstitutional invasion of privacy, don’t you think?

Justice Kagan: Well, I just asked about age. I didn’t ask about anything else. That’s not - we ask about people’s age all the time.

Mr. Cooper: Your Honor, and even asking about age, you would have to ask if both parties are infertile. Again -

Justice Scalia: Strom Thurmond was — was not the chairman of the Senate committee when Justice Kagan was confirmed. (Laughter)"

[Nidaria]

You do not recognize absolute morality. A perversion is a sexual orientation other than one man and one woman.

Because one's morality is inherently subjective and personal, absolute morality does not exist. And why is it that gays are "icky" or "perverted"? Tell me. Do tell, because my mind is unable to grasp why anyone would be against something as natural as humans being attracted to other humans regardless of sex.

Morality is absolute and permanent, more lasting than the universe itself. It is highly unnatural for a human being to be sexually attracted to another regardless of sex. The only valid sexual relationship is that between one man and one woman.

[Pope Joan]

Why dislike homosexuals?

Because they are not us.

Why dislike immigrants?

Because they are not us.

Why dislike intellectuals? Because they are not us.

Why tolerate erratically employed, lawbending, wifebeating drunkards?

Because they are NOT not us.

...So...Humans are not like you? Tell me, which animal is your relative? Obviously not any abe.
And who the hell is "us"? Clearly not any nice people, educated nor civilized people. We're the bloody Homo Sapiens, cause we prefer our own kind, instead of the chimpanzee.

To spell out my point as clearly as possible, people find it easy and inviting to criticize others whose supposedly negative characteristics are not similar to their own.

I was a local church pastor for 20 years. If you want a popular sermon topic, "The Sins of Today's Youth" is always a sure winner. I did not choose that topic but other clergy in my area were famous for it.

Why was the topic popular? Because those in the pews were not youth, and entertained suspicions of those who were.

By contrast, a sermon topic which landed me in serious trouble, and got me disciplined by my superior, was "The Evils of Adultery." Care to guess why?

[Anachronous Rex]

Acting on paedophilic desires necessarily leads to nonconsensual sexual activity, so doing so is necessarily harmful and it should be prevented.
Acting on homosexual desires does not necessarily lead to nonconsensual sexual activity, so doing so is not necessarily harmful and it should not necessarily be prevented.

Slight difference.

(The phrase "not necessarily" is used to account for homosexual rape and abuse, which is of course bad, exactly as heterosexual rape and abuse is bad.)

Perhaps, but a perversion is a perversion regardless of consent. Something is not made moral simply because of consent, there is more to it than that.

I always thought the burden was on those who think a thing immoral to demonstrate harm. But maybe I'm just funny like that.

[TriStates]

I think the question that should be answered is not why people dislike, so much as why people care.

You have people disapproving, and you have people cheering them on. Proponents and Opponents alike. Its really moronic, considering its a personal choice, and as such should just remain personal. There is no pride in being gay, just like there's no pride in being straight. Just because you flaunt a personal choice around and call it "pride" doesn't make it so.

For me personally, it seems that supporting it makes their advocates seem insecure. Because instead of providing the message, "I am gay and I'm okay with that." the supporters message comes across as "I'm gay, and You have to be okay with that." Instead of finding acceptance for themselves, it appears to me, that they must find acceptance at the community at large. Basically, if the majority disagree with them, then they are being hated upon.

Whatever happened to civil disagreement?

Perhaps the best thing to do is to quit making a big deal about who somebody bunks with at night, and move on with our lives. To much to ask? I hope not.

[Nomelan]

Because one's morality is inherently subjective and personal, absolute morality does not exist. And why is it that gays are "icky" or "perverted"? Tell me. Do tell, because my mind is unable to grasp why anyone would be against something as natural as humans being attracted to other humans regardless of sex.

It is highly unnatural for a human being to be sexually attracted to another regardless of sex.

This proves you wrong:
http://www.census.gov/popclock/

[Yorkopolis]

Because one's morality is inherently subjective and personal, absolute morality does not exist. And why is it that gays are "icky" or "perverted"? Tell me. Do tell, because my mind is unable to grasp why anyone would be against something as natural as humans being attracted to other humans regardless of sex.

Morality is absolute and permanent, more lasting than the universe itself. It is highly unnatural for a human being to be sexually attracted to another regardless of sex. The only valid sexual relationship is that between one man and one woman.

But why?! You're not even explaining me why! For you, morality may be absolute, permanent, and more lasting than the universe itself, but for me, it is not. It is very natural for a human being - an animal - to be sexually attracted to another human being regardless of sex. Animals have it too, and humans are, after all, animals. I consider every relationship valid as long as there is consent given, and between 2 men, as well as 2 women or a man and a woman, there's consent, and as long as that's given, it's a valid relationship.

As for comparing homosexuality to paedophilia; this is just plain idiotic. I've seen it happen a lot, especially done by the Catholic Church, but paedophiles are generally more those who are sexually attracted to children, and not those attracted to the same gender. Often enough, paedophiles can be attracted to children of both sexes, whereas the homosexual is attracted to only one sex; the same sex.

y u no biology!

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

It is highly unnatural for a human being to be sexually attracted to another regardless of sex.

I genuinely don't understand how it is possible to believe this bullshit about it being "unnatural" in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

[Yorkopolis]

It is highly unnatural for a human being to be sexually attracted to another regardless of sex.

I genuinely don't understand how it is possible to believe this bullshit about it being "unnatural" in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Radically conservative reactionary Catholic Christianity, I guess.

[Ifreann]

It is neither.

You do not recognize absolute morality.

I'm pretty sure I've seen this tripe before, actually.

A perversion is a sexual orientation other than one man and one woman.

Sorry, no. Other sexual orientations exist entirely on their own, they're not perverted forms of monogamous heterosexuality.

[Mike the Progressive]

I genuinely don't understand how it is possible to believe this bullshit about it being "unnatural" in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Radically conservative reactionary Catholic Christianity, I guess.

Which is strange because the church recognizes it's not a choice.

[Avenio]

I always thought the burden was on those who think a thing immoral to demonstrate harm. But maybe I'm just funny like that.

He doesn't care about harm. He's a divine command theorist through and through. To him, homosexuality is immoral because God said so - end of story.

Combine that with teenage obstinacy and special snowflake syndrome and you get someone that is really best left ignored.

[The Northern United American Republic]

It's hard to avoid when where you live is so fucking awesome.

Yeah, well Seattle is even awesomer. We've got gay marriage, a mediocre football team, and soon pot.

Oh yeah? Well out here in Philly we have.....uum....er....gun shot wounds?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Radically conservative reactionary Catholic Christianity, I guess.

Which is strange because the church recognizes it's not a choice.

Does that make Nidaria a heretic?

I feel a letter to Frankie I is in order.

[Mike the Progressive]

Yeah, well Seattle is even awesomer. We've got gay marriage, a mediocre football team, and soon pot.

Oh yeah? Well out here in Philly we have.....uum....er....gun shot wounds?

Well Philly has a couple of good things going for it: Philly cheese steaks, and It's always sunny.

Which makes me wonder if I should make a show called its always rainy and base it in Seattle.

[Yorkopolis]

I think the question that should be answered is not why people dislike, so much as why people care.

You have people disapproving, and you have people cheering them on. Proponents and Opponents alike. Its really moronic, considering its a personal choice, and as such should just remain personal. There is no pride in being gay, just like there's no pride in being straight. Just because you flaunt a personal choice around and call it "pride" doesn't make it so.

For me personally, it seems that supporting it makes their advocates seem insecure. Because instead of providing the message, "I am gay and I'm okay with that." the supporters message comes across as "I'm gay, and You have to be okay with that." Instead of finding acceptance for themselves, it appears to me, that they must find acceptance at the community at large. Basically, if the majority disagree with them, then they are being hated upon.

Whatever happened to civil disagreement?

Perhaps the best thing to do is to quit making a big deal about who somebody bunks with at night, and move on with our lives. To much to ask? I hope not.

On the contrary to what you say here, you don't "choose" to be gay or bisexual or whatever, you just are, and you were born like that and you will die like that, just like how a person with autism will have autism forever unless they make a cure for it, which I sincerely hope they do.

[Ifreann]

Because one's morality is inherently subjective and personal, absolute morality does not exist. And why is it that gays are "icky" or "perverted"? Tell me. Do tell, because my mind is unable to grasp why anyone would be against something as natural as humans being attracted to other humans regardless of sex.

Morality is absolute and permanent, more lasting than the universe itself. It is highly unnatural for a human being to be sexually attracted to another regardless of sex. The only valid sexual relationship is that between one man and one woman.

Literally everything you've just said is wrong.

[Nidaria]

Morality is absolute and permanent, more lasting than the universe itself. It is highly unnatural for a human being to be sexually attracted to another regardless of sex. The only valid sexual relationship is that between one man and one woman.

But why?! You're not even explaining me why! For you, morality may be absolute, permanent, and more lasting than the universe itself, but for me, it is not. It is very natural for a human being - an animal - to be sexually attracted to another human being regardless of sex. Animals have it too, and humans are, after all, animals. I consider every relationship valid as long as there is consent given, and between 2 men, as well as 2 women or a man and a woman, there's consent, and as long as that's given, it's a valid relationship.

As for comparing homosexuality to paedophilia; this is just plain idiotic. I've seen it happen a lot, especially done by the Catholic Church, but paedophiles are generally more those who are sexually attracted to children, and not those attracted to the same gender. Often enough, paedophiles can be attracted to children of both sexes, whereas the homosexual is attracted to only one sex; the same sex.

y u no biology!

Have you not heard of mental disease? This why many homosexuals are the way they are, and mental disease also exists among animals. If you consider consent as the most important thing ever, then you must support adultery, bigamy, polygamy, suicide, and a great many perversions. Consent does matter, but it does not solely determine what is and is not moral.

I never claimed that homosexuality was pedophilia (though they are often tied together), but that they are both perversions of the same general nature. Also, bisexuality is also attracted to both sexes, and is close to pedophilia.

You are not in a position to judge my knowledge of biology.

[Nidaria]

I think the question that should be answered is not why people dislike, so much as why people care.

You have people disapproving, and you have people cheering them on. Proponents and Opponents alike. Its really moronic, considering its a personal choice, and as such should just remain personal. There is no pride in being gay, just like there's no pride in being straight. Just because you flaunt a personal choice around and call it "pride" doesn't make it so.

For me personally, it seems that supporting it makes their advocates seem insecure. Because instead of providing the message, "I am gay and I'm okay with that." the supporters message comes across as "I'm gay, and You have to be okay with that." Instead of finding acceptance for themselves, it appears to me, that they must find acceptance at the community at large. Basically, if the majority disagree with them, then they are being hated upon.

Whatever happened to civil disagreement?

Perhaps the best thing to do is to quit making a big deal about who somebody bunks with at night, and move on with our lives. To much to ask? I hope not.

On the contrary to what you say here, you don't "choose" to be gay or bisexual or whatever, you just are, and you were born like that and you will die like that, just like how a person with autism will have autism forever unless they make a cure for it, which I sincerely hope they do.

Although some cases of homosexuality are due to a mental illness (which can be treated), most cases are entirely willful, with the subject desiring to be sexually "different."