Boy Scouts of America allow gay scouts

[Neutraligon]

Considering the fact that at the local level this is rarely an issue, I see no reason why a boy wouldn't want to join. THe problem was mainly with the higher ups and a few limited scouting groups at the local level.

I would not send my children to a school notorious from Race-driven gangs.... I would not send my children to the BSA if there was potential emotional and even physical harm (beyond of course rope burn, etc.)

Ah but for the most part they would not be facing such an issue. Lord knows my brothers scouting group had a transgendered ftm in it as well as a gay member. Nobody gave a shit. Boy scouts for the scoutmaster was meant to be a fun activity for boys.

[Menassa]

I've been thinking on this for a while and have come to the conclusion... if Paul was not lying about what he saw on the road to Damascus... then Christianity or 'Paulism' is exactly what God (Homousia) wanted.

Menssa, I'm going to stop you right here for a second before you go farther. This is Bluth you are talking to. About Christianity and Paul.

It's pretty simple to me.

If Jesus is God,
and God is Omniscient.

When Jesus chose Paul he knew what would come out of Christianity.

[Nomelan]

Considering the fact that at the local level this is rarely an issue, I see no reason why a boy wouldn't want to join. THe problem was mainly with the higher ups and a few limited scouting groups at the local level.

I would not send my children to a school notorious from Race-driven gangs.... I would not send my children to the BSA if there was potential emotional and even physical harm (beyond of course rope burn, etc.)

It depends on the area. Most troops are a pretty even cross-section of the kids in the area. In my troop maybe one or two kids would have a problem with it, but one definitely wouldn't say anything about it, and the other would be told in no uncertain terms to "just shut up" by myself, our SPL, and a couple other scouts.

[Nomelan]

Menssa, I'm going to stop you right here for a second before you go farther. This is Bluth you are talking to. About Christianity and Paul.

It's pretty simple to me.

If Jesus is God,
and God is Omniscient.

When Jesus chose Paul he knew what would come out of Christianity.

Did Paul know his letters would be analyzed and overanalyzed two thousand years later? If he did, he might've been a little bit more plain-spoken.

[ALMF]

What does "the Bible" or especially Romans have to do with anything? We're talking about Christianity here, not Paulinism. Paul was a false prophet and an anti-Christ, and so neither his own writings nor the anthology collected and edited by his followers several generations later have any bearing on Christianity.

I've been thinking on this for a while and have come to the conclusion... if Paul was not lying about what he saw on the road to Damascus... then Christianity or 'Paulism' is exactly what God (Homousia) wanted.

That's a really big if

[Mike the Progressive]

I've been thinking on this for a while and have come to the conclusion... if Paul was not lying about what he saw on the road to Damascus... then Christianity or 'Paulism' is exactly what God (Homousia) wanted.

That's a really big if

If you are willing to believe in an all-knowing, all present God, that's not really that big of an "if."

[Menassa]

I've been thinking on this for a while and have come to the conclusion... if Paul was not lying about what he saw on the road to Damascus... then Christianity or 'Paulism' is exactly what God (Homousia) wanted.

That's a really big if

There's no denying that.

[The Corparation]

Menssa, I'm going to stop you right here for a second before you go farther. This is Bluth you are talking to. About Christianity and Paul.

It's pretty simple to me.

If Jesus is God,
and God is Omniscient.

When Jesus chose Paul he knew what would come out of Christianity.

See bolded. Bluth's thoughts on the issue are, well less than orthodox.

[Nidaria]

If this goes through, the Boy Scouts will become a laughingstock.

[Menassa]

It's pretty simple to me.

If Jesus is God,
and God is Omniscient.

When Jesus chose Paul he knew what would come out of Christianity.

Did Paul know his letters would be analyzed and overanalyzed two thousand years later? [...]

It doesn't matter, what does matter is that God did... according to my theory.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

If this goes through, the Boy Scouts will become a laughingstock.

What evidence do you have to support this assertion?

[Thafoo]

okay, good.

what's for dinner?

[Nomelan]

If this goes through, the Boy Scouts will become less criticized for having gotten rid of an antiquated policy

It currently IS a laughingstock, partially because of that policy

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

What does "the Bible" or especially Romans have to do with anything? We're talking about Christianity here, not Paulinism. Paul was a false prophet and an anti-Christ, and so neither his own writings nor the anthology collected and edited by his followers several generations later have any bearing on Christianity.

I've been thinking on this for a while and have come to the conclusion... if Paul was not lying about what he saw on the road to Damascus... then Christianity or 'Paulism' is exactly what God (Homousia) wanted.

But that's a pretty big "if," isn't it? And why should we take Paul's word for it?

And in fact, it's all mooted by the fact that belief in a god is itself incompatible with the teachings of the Christ, so...

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Are you quite sure you fully comprehended what I said?

I believe you are referring to the biblical St. Paul, yes? I'm certain some of his teachings are in the Bible, including vehemently anti-homosexual ones. I may be wrong, though. Are you referring to that Paul, or is this another one?

Yes, that's who I mean.

No, you didn't fully comprehend my post.

[Menassa]

I've been thinking on this for a while and have come to the conclusion... if Paul was not lying about what he saw on the road to Damascus... then Christianity or 'Paulism' is exactly what God (Homousia) wanted.

But that's a pretty big "if," isn't it? And why should we take Paul's word for it?

[...]

Yes, it is a pretty big "if"

That however wasn't my point.

[Neutraligon]

If this goes through, the Boy Scouts will become a laughingstock.

Why? Girl scouts have long accepted homosexuals, and they are doing just fine.

[Grenartia]

I think that on the individual troop level, most of the scouts don't give a shit about having gay scouts, and give even less of a shit about having atheist scouts, at least from what I've seen (having been a former cub scout who was at the time an atheist, and had a friend who was also in scouts who was also atheist, and both of us lived deep in the Bible belt).



That verse, contrary to what you may have been mislead/brainwashed to believe, has been mistranslated and taken out of context, and therefore doesn't actually condemn homosexuality. More likely, it is condemning temple prostitution, like every other clobber passage in the New Testament.



Its at least a step in the right direction. I can't see the gay scoutmaster ban going for longer than another year, maybe two, tops. Granted, they should've lifted both at the same time, but better late than never.



Ovi is from the UK. I'm pretty sure the rules are different there.

I, for one, wish the BSA and GSA could be merged into one, with the GSA's membership policies.



Actually sounds like a good organization.

on you quoting me... Care to translate for me? I'm a missionary. I think I can read the bible.

I have no doubt that you can read it. What I doubt is that you've actually looked into how the Bible has been mistranslated and misinterpreted ever since it was written. The word that has commonly been mistranslated as homosexuals, arsenokoitai, is more accurately translated as temple prostitutes.

Good for them, but I do help wondering.... would someone stand willingly in the company of people who despised them?

Of course that's speculation as I've never been in the BSA.

On an individual level, most members are great people. Its just the dicks in the upper levels that ruin the fun.

Menssa, I'm going to stop you right here for a second before you go farther. This is Bluth you are talking to. About Christianity and Paul.

It's pretty simple to me.

If Jesus is God,
and God is Omniscient.

When Jesus chose Paul he knew what would come out of Christianity.

Bluth doesn't believe in God. Its complicated. I imagine the only person that understands it (if anybody can truly understand it) is Bluth himself.

If this goes through, the Boy Scouts will become a laughingstock.

No. You've got it mixed up. The Boy Scouts already ARE a laughingstock to civilized people, precisely because they haven't already done this a long time ago. When this goes through, the only people who will be laughing at the BSA for doing so are people who should already be laughingstocks.

If this goes through, the Boy Scouts will become a laughingstock.

Why? Girl scouts have long accepted homosexuals, and they are doing just fine.

We're talking to somebody who (inspite of being a 'libertarian') has repeatedly said that homosexuality should be recriminalized.

[The Corparation]

If this goes through, the Boy Scouts will become a laughingstock.

Well first of all, it actually went through. And second of all, how will it makes the BSA a laughingstock. Well anymore than it already is, right now the BSA is the laughingstock of the WOSM with regards to its backass discriminatory policies on this issue and that of atheist members.

[Menassa]

Good for them, but I do help wondering.... would someone stand willingly in the company of people who despised them?

Of course that's speculation as I've never been in the BSA.

On an individual level, most members are great people. Its just the dicks in the upper levels that ruin the fun.

I would send my child to a school where the Children are nice but the principal is a rampant antisemite....

[Neutraligon]

On an individual level, most members are great people. Its just the dicks in the upper levels that ruin the fun.

I would send my child to a school where the Children are nice but the principal is a rampant antisemite....

This isn't the question of the principal being an anti-Semite, it is a question of the superintendent being one, and almost everyone not paying attention to him.

[Salandriagado]

If this goes through, the Boy Scouts will become a laughingstock.

You mean like the (UK) Scout Association did, what with its total lack of any kind of discrimination on grounds of sexuality? (Or, indeed, on anything else soon - the last little bit is in the process of being removed right now). Oh, wait, no. That didn't happen. At all. Because not everybody lives in your weird fantasy dream-world.

[The Corparation]

On an individual level, most members are great people. Its just the dicks in the upper levels that ruin the fun.

I would send my child to a school where the Children are nice but the principal is a rampant antisemite....

Even if the children never had a single interaction with the principal, and in fact never even met the principal or in fact got within a hundred miles of that principle? And in fact the Principal never doesn't even know your child at all.

Condemning the people in the BSA over the policies would be like going back to the US military during DOTD and bitching at a random Private.

[The Balkin States]

I've been thinking on this for a while and have come to the conclusion... if Paul was not lying about what he saw on the road to Damascus... then Christianity or 'Paulism' is exactly what God (Homousia) wanted.

But Paul said that those people chose to have sex with the same sex, despite being straight.

[Menassa]

I've been thinking on this for a while and have come to the conclusion... if Paul was not lying about what he saw on the road to Damascus... then Christianity or 'Paulism' is exactly what God (Homousia) wanted.

But Paul said that those people chose to have sex with the same sex, despite being straight.

What?