Boy Scouts of America allow gay scouts

[Agritum]

It doesn't matter, gay scoutmasters are still banned. It's as good as not having done anything at all

I strongly disagree. The fact that the benefits of the program are opened up to all boys regardless of orientation is a huge step forward.

Indeed. I guess that they are taking a "one step at time" approach with it.

[Kulverint]

have you read the bible? Really read Romans chapter 1.

What does "the Bible" or especially Romans have to do with anything? We're talking about Christianity here, not Paulinism. Paul was a false prophet and an anti-Christ, and so neither his own writings nor the anthology collected and edited by his followers several generations later have any bearing on Christianity.

And yet its in the bible? How can it not have any bearing on christianity if its in your holy book?

[The Black Forrest]

Nahh just get rid of the Christians. Scouting doesn't belong to them anyway.

Do you have Aspergers?

You might want to update your insult. Aspergers is getting phased out; it's now getting called autism.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

What does "the Bible" or especially Romans have to do with anything? We're talking about Christianity here, not Paulinism. Paul was a false prophet and an anti-Christ, and so neither his own writings nor the anthology collected and edited by his followers several generations later have any bearing on Christianity.

And yet its in the bible? How can it not have any bearing on christianity if its in your holy book?

Are you quite sure you fully comprehended what I said?

[Zweite Alaje]

I strongly disagree. The fact that the benefits of the program are opened up to all boys regardless of orientation is a huge step forward.

Indeed. I guess that they are taking a "one step at time" approach with it.

More like a false accomplishment. You either have a meritocratic or you don't, they don't.

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

have you read the bible? Really read Romans chapter 1.

What does "the Bible" or especially Romans have to do with anything? We're talking about Christianity here, not Paulinism. Paul was a false prophet and an anti-Christ, and so neither his own writings nor the anthology collected and edited by his followers several generations later have any bearing on Christianity.

My gosh. You need to pray. Without Paul there might not even be a Christian religion.

[Kulverint]

And yet its in the bible? How can it not have any bearing on christianity if its in your holy book?

Are you quite sure you fully comprehended what I said?

I believe you are referring to the biblical St. Paul, yes? I'm certain some of his teachings are in the Bible, including vehemently anti-homosexual ones. I may be wrong, though. Are you referring to that Paul, or is this another one?

[Lengleland]

On this I am Undecided.

Disallowing boys who are homosexual is discriminatory. However, the Boy Scouts of America is a cherished and treasured tradition and its name should not be disgraced.

[Ifreann]

On this I am Undecided.

Disallowing boys who are homosexual is discriminatory. However, the Boy Scouts of America is a cherished and treasured tradition and its name should not be disgraced.

Please explain how gay scouts, by their very presence, disgrace the name of the BSA.

[Ceannairceach]

On this I am Undecided.

Disallowing boys who are homosexual is discriminatory. However, the Boy Scouts of America is a cherished and treasured tradition and its name should not be disgraced.

How would it be disgraced?

[The Corparation]

It's pretty dumb.

I've been a scout for 8 years, and in my time we've always had mixed troops. Female and male scouts with female and male leaders. Has anything gone down? No.

I've been a scout also, and I'm not sure you can mix boys and girls

Venturing is coed.

On this I am Undecided.

Disallowing boys who are homosexual is discriminatory. However, the Boy Scouts of America is a cherished and treasured tradition and its name should not be disgraced.

Exactly why its a good thing they're letting gay kids in, and a reason why they need to drop their other discriminatory policies. Its disgraceful that its taken so long for gay kids, and even more disgraceful that gay adults and atheists are still banned especially considering the way the rest of the world scout movement has done perfectly well without such stupid bans.

[The Black Forrest]

On this I am Undecided.

Disallowing boys who are homosexual is discriminatory. However, the Boy Scouts of America is a cherished and treasured tradition and its name should not be disgraced.

So how is is being disgraced?

[The Black Forrest]

Ahhh the moralistic crowd is speaking up.

Homofacist agenda, Boy Sodomizers of America? Pathetic and expected.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/ ... -kids?lite

[Menassa]

Good for them, but I do help wondering.... would someone stand willingly in the company of people who despised them?

Of course that's speculation as I've never been in the BSA.

[Neutraligon]

Good for them, but I do help wondering.... would someone stand willingly in the company of people who despised them?

Of course that's speculation as I've never been in the BSA.

Considering the fact that at the local level this is rarely an issue, I see no reason why a boy wouldn't want to join. THe problem was mainly with the higher ups and a few limited scouting groups at the local level.

[Mike the Progressive]

Good for them, but I do help wondering.... would someone stand willingly in the company of people who despised them?

Yep.

Plus you assume all scouts hate gays and that's not true. Some do, some don't...just like anywhere else.

[Menassa]

Good for them, but I do help wondering.... would someone stand willingly in the company of people who despised them?

Of course that's speculation as I've never been in the BSA.

Considering the fact that at the local level this is rarely an issue, I see no reason why a boy wouldn't want to join. THe problem was mainly with the higher ups and a few limited scouting groups at the local level.

I would not send my children to a school notorious from Race-driven gangs.... I would not send my children to the BSA if there was potential emotional and even physical harm (beyond of course rope burn, etc.)

[Menassa]

Good for them, but I do help wondering.... would someone stand willingly in the company of people who despised them?

Yep.

Plus you assume all scouts hate gays and that's not true. Some do, some don't...just like anywhere else.

No I don't... I am however wondering if that would hinder parents from sending their kids to the BSA.

[The Corparation]

Good for them, but I do help wondering.... would someone stand willingly in the company of people who despised them?

Of course that's speculation as I've never been in the BSA.

Most people in the BSA do not despise gays. And they never have. BSA National council however is mostly made up of older people with, well older viewpoints. They're the ones that set the stupid policies in place, most of the people at lower levels just nodded our heads at the policies and let any boy that wanted to be a in the program be in the program. I have known plenty of openly gay or openly atheist scouts and even some leaders. The Gay thing was really only ever an issue when you ran into that special kind of bigoted asshole that likes to ruin things for everyone. However because of the stupid polices the asshole was right. Now thankfully the asshole is wrong. At least with regards to gay kids. Still have to ditch restrictions on gay adults and atheists though.

[Nomelan]

It's pretty dumb.

I've been a scout for 8 years, and in my time we've always had mixed troops. Female and male scouts with female and male leaders. Has anything gone down? No.

I've been a scout also, and I'm not sure you can mix boys and girls

Venturing. Or otherwise basically every other country

[Mike the Progressive]

Yep.

Plus you assume all scouts hate gays and that's not true. Some do, some don't...just like anywhere else.

No I don't... I am however wondering if that would hinder parents from sending their kids to the BSA.

Again, for some that will probably be the case and for others (who have gay kids) maybe they'll be able to finally have them join the scouts.

[Menassa]

have you read the bible? Really read Romans chapter 1.

What does "the Bible" or especially Romans have to do with anything? We're talking about Christianity here, not Paulinism. Paul was a false prophet and an anti-Christ, and so neither his own writings nor the anthology collected and edited by his followers several generations later have any bearing on Christianity.

I've been thinking on this for a while and have come to the conclusion... if Paul was not lying about what he saw on the road to Damascus... then Christianity or 'Paulism' is exactly what God (Homousia) wanted.

[Nomelan]

On this I am Undecided.

Disallowing boys who are homosexual is discriminatory. However, the Boy Scouts of America is a cherished and treasured tradition and its name should not be disgraced by such an outmoded form of amoral discrimination

[The Corparation]

What does "the Bible" or especially Romans have to do with anything? We're talking about Christianity here, not Paulinism. Paul was a false prophet and an anti-Christ, and so neither his own writings nor the anthology collected and edited by his followers several generations later have any bearing on Christianity.

I've been thinking on this for a while and have come to the conclusion... if Paul was not lying about what he saw on the road to Damascus... then Christianity or 'Paulism' is exactly what God (Homousia) wanted.

Menssa, I'm going to stop you right here for a second before you go farther. This is Bluth you are talking to. About Christianity and Paul.

[Mike the Progressive]

I've been thinking on this for a while and have come to the conclusion... if Paul was not lying about what he saw on the road to Damascus... then Christianity or 'Paulism' is exactly what God (Homousia) wanted.

Menssa, I'm going to stop you right here for a second before you go farther. This is Bluth you are talking to. About Christianity and Paul.

In a free society, Paul was a usurper *nods*

But cereally, Bluth's views are less than...orthodox, in fact they are kind of nutty.