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Postby Ovisterra » Thu May 23, 2013 11:56 pm

A step towards equality. Good show.
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Postby Aurora Novus » Fri May 24, 2013 12:01 am

The Keystone Federation wrote:People think that when you place homosexual males into a group of homosexual kids, those homosexual males (even straight scout leaders have molested their kids in the past) will be more likely to molest the children than straight males.


Homosexuality =/= Pedophilia. That is a ridiculous connection to make.

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Postby Ovisterra » Fri May 24, 2013 12:03 am

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The Keystone Federation wrote:People think that when you place homosexual males into a group of homosexual kids, those homosexual males (even straight scout leaders have molested their kids in the past) will be more likely to molest the children than straight males.


Homosexuality =/= Pedophilia. That is a ridiculous connection to make.


It's pretty dumb.

I've been a scout for 8 years, and in my time we've always had mixed troops. Female and male scouts with female and male leaders. Has anything gone down? No.
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Postby Lemanrussland » Fri May 24, 2013 12:27 am

Good job, BSA!

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Postby Nomelan » Fri May 24, 2013 3:23 am

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there wasn't a problem! The problem is that bsa is having to comprise their morals because people (many whom were not involved in the scouting program) were protesting. That's the problem.

That's the First Amendment at work

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Postby Kulverint » Fri May 24, 2013 3:25 am

Why has this only just happened? I swear on this "issue" America is at least 20-30 years behind the rest of the civilised world, to the point where its the only 1st world country where it is a major issue.

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Postby Nomelan » Fri May 24, 2013 3:25 am

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Nomelan wrote:Because you can't

Because I don't have to. There's a difference. Reality check........ the World does not revolve around YOU

Because you can't. You're afraid. And you know in your heart of hearts that we're right. I agree that you don't HAVE to- UNLESS you wan't to be taken seriously by the rest of us.

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Postby Yankee Empire » Fri May 24, 2013 3:53 am

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Yankee Empire wrote:Or they could fuck off and either deal with it or not join.


Nahh just get rid of the Christians. Scouting doesn't belong to them anyway.

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Postby Icesun » Fri May 24, 2013 4:06 am

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Nahh just get rid of the Christians. Scouting doesn't belong to them anyway.

Do you have Aspergers?


As someone who does have Aspergers - please don't use my condition to question people you disagree with or said something you think is stupid (or missing the point or whatever).


And yay for the boy scouts finally catching up with...well...everybody else.
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Postby The Marxist State » Fri May 24, 2013 4:09 am

Yankee Empire wrote:I don't get it, aren't boy scouts children?

Cub Scouts are children. Boy Scouts are teenagers.

Blahbania wrote:I, as a Boy Scout myself, dislike that the ban has been lifted. Plus, I don't want to get in the same tent as a gay scout.
Hopefully, the don't lift the ban on gay leaders, I don't want Boy Scouts of America becoming the next Penn state

Not every gay guy wants to fuck you. I don't think any do considering you're a hater.

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Postby Blekksprutia » Fri May 24, 2013 4:14 am

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Postby Christo et Ecclesiae » Fri May 24, 2013 4:24 am

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Desperate Measures wrote:Well, it sucks to feel like your view isn't being understood. I get it - doesn't mean I agree with the interpretation.


Oh, I understand it too.

It's just that it lacks any intellectual validity whatsoever, and is absolutely morally bankrupt.

As a Christian, I cannot embrace an anti-Christian position like CEE's that is completely incompatible with the teachings of the Christ in every way.

I hope CEE becomes a Christian someday, so he can see the error of his ways and reform.

have you read the bible? Really read Romans chapter 1.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Fri May 24, 2013 4:25 am

It doesn't matter, gay scoutmasters are still banned. It's as good as not having done anything at all
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Postby Christo et Ecclesiae » Fri May 24, 2013 4:26 am

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Postby Gallup » Fri May 24, 2013 4:58 am

Ovisterra wrote:
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Homosexuality =/= Pedophilia. That is a ridiculous connection to make.


It's pretty dumb.

I've been a scout for 8 years, and in my time we've always had mixed troops. Female and male scouts with female and male leaders. Has anything gone down? No.

I've been a scout also, and I'm not sure you can mix boys and girls
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Fri May 24, 2013 5:01 am

TaQud wrote:Oh and Good for the Boy Scouts of America...

and now i can picture the westboro baptist church is probably making a GodhatestheBoyScoutsofAmerica Website


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Postby Agritum » Fri May 24, 2013 5:07 am

Nice.

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Postby Czechanada » Fri May 24, 2013 5:15 am

All the comments around the internet that condemn this decision are rather humorous.
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Postby Risottia » Fri May 24, 2013 6:18 am

Yjafjord wrote:good for the american boy scouts, here's to hoping they don't back down.

You know, when given the choice to retain their religious orthodoxy, or to retain their governmental fundings and facilitations, generally people and organizations choose the latter.
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Postby Grenartia » Fri May 24, 2013 7:08 am

Zokoria wrote:This is good news for the Boy Scouts, but they need to go further:

They must allow gay adults as well as those who aren't that religious.

Anyways, congratulations to them for standing up for equality, even if they don't allow gay adults in the Boy Scouts for the time being.


I think that on the individual troop level, most of the scouts don't give a shit about having gay scouts, and give even less of a shit about having atheist scouts, at least from what I've seen (having been a former cub scout who was at the time an atheist, and had a friend who was also in scouts who was also atheist, and both of us lived deep in the Bible belt).

Christo et Ecclesiae wrote:
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Oh, I understand it too.

It's just that it lacks any intellectual validity whatsoever, and is absolutely morally bankrupt.

As a Christian, I cannot embrace an anti-Christian position like CEE's that is completely incompatible with the teachings of the Christ in every way.

I hope CEE becomes a Christian someday, so he can see the error of his ways and reform.

have you read the bible? Really read Romans chapter 1.


That verse, contrary to what you may have been mislead/brainwashed to believe, has been mistranslated and taken out of context, and therefore doesn't actually condemn homosexuality. More likely, it is condemning temple prostitution, like every other clobber passage in the New Testament.

Zweite Alaje wrote:It doesn't matter, gay scoutmasters are still banned. It's as good as not having done anything at all


Its at least a step in the right direction. I can't see the gay scoutmaster ban going for longer than another year, maybe two, tops. Granted, they should've lifted both at the same time, but better late than never.

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It's pretty dumb.

I've been a scout for 8 years, and in my time we've always had mixed troops. Female and male scouts with female and male leaders. Has anything gone down? No.

I've been a scout also, and I'm not sure you can mix boys and girls


Ovi is from the UK. I'm pretty sure the rules are different there.

I, for one, wish the BSA and GSA could be merged into one, with the GSA's membership policies.

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Postby Christo et Ecclesiae » Fri May 24, 2013 7:18 am

Grenartia wrote:
Zokoria wrote:This is good news for the Boy Scouts, but they need to go further:

They must allow gay adults as well as those who aren't that religious.

Anyways, congratulations to them for standing up for equality, even if they don't allow gay adults in the Boy Scouts for the time being.


I think that on the individual troop level, most of the scouts don't give a shit about having gay scouts, and give even less of a shit about having atheist scouts, at least from what I've seen (having been a former cub scout who was at the time an atheist, and had a friend who was also in scouts who was also atheist, and both of us lived deep in the Bible belt).

Christo et Ecclesiae wrote:have you read the bible? Really read Romans chapter 1.


That verse, contrary to what you may have been mislead/brainwashed to believe, has been mistranslated and taken out of context, and therefore doesn't actually condemn homosexuality. More likely, it is condemning temple prostitution, like every other clobber passage in the New Testament.

Zweite Alaje wrote:It doesn't matter, gay scoutmasters are still banned. It's as good as not having done anything at all


Its at least a step in the right direction. I can't see the gay scoutmaster ban going for longer than another year, maybe two, tops. Granted, they should've lifted both at the same time, but better late than never.

Gallup wrote:I've been a scout also, and I'm not sure you can mix boys and girls


Ovi is from the UK. I'm pretty sure the rules are different there.

I, for one, wish the BSA and GSA could be merged into one, with the GSA's membership policies.

Central Kadigan wrote:If you're looking for a group that doesn't discriminate against genders, sexual orientation, or religious beliefs (of lack thereof), then I might suggest NavigatorsUSA.


Actually sounds like a good organization.



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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Fri May 24, 2013 8:51 am

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Oh, I understand it too.

It's just that it lacks any intellectual validity whatsoever, and is absolutely morally bankrupt.

As a Christian, I cannot embrace an anti-Christian position like CEE's that is completely incompatible with the teachings of the Christ in every way.

I hope CEE becomes a Christian someday, so he can see the error of his ways and reform.

have you read the bible? Really read Romans chapter 1.


What does "the Bible" or especially Romans have to do with anything? We're talking about Christianity here, not Paulinism. Paul was a false prophet and an anti-Christ, and so neither his own writings nor the anthology collected and edited by his followers several generations later have any bearing on Christianity.
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Postby The Marxist State » Fri May 24, 2013 9:03 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:It doesn't matter, gay scoutmasters are still banned. It's as good as not having done anything at all

I strongly disagree. The fact that the benefits of the program are opened up to all boys regardless of orientation is a huge step forward.
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