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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Thu May 23, 2013 8:54 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:When a joke requires that much explanation it's not really funny.


Or the person needing it explained is a total Muppet.


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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu May 23, 2013 8:58 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
Or the person needing it explained is a total Muppet.


Doo-doo, doo-doo-doo
(Mah-nah, mah-nah)
Doo doo-doo, doo
(Mah-nah, mah-nah)
Doo-doo, doo-doo-doo, doo-doo-doo, doo-doo-doo, doo-doo-doo-doo-doo doo-doo doo-doo doo

My God. I think those were perfect doo-doo's.
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Postby Hittanryan » Thu May 23, 2013 9:00 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:When a joke requires that much explanation it's not really funny.


Or the person needing it explained is a total Muppet.

No I'm pretty sure any joke requiring explanation is just bad.
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Thu May 23, 2013 9:01 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
Or the person needing it explained is a total Muppet.

No I'm pretty sure any joke requiring explanation is just bad.


What if the joke is the explanation?

POST-MODERN HUMOR IS A REAL THING!
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Postby Hittanryan » Thu May 23, 2013 9:03 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:No I'm pretty sure any joke requiring explanation is just bad.


What if the joke is the explanation?

POST-MODERN HUMOR IS A REAL THING!

But then that explanation itself can't require explanation...crap, I think this is what they call "meta," a term which should be reserved for positions on phenyl rings.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu May 23, 2013 9:05 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
What if the joke is the explanation?

POST-MODERN HUMOR IS A REAL THING!

But then that explanation itself can't require explanation...crap, I think this is what they call "meta," a term which should be reserved for positions on phenyl rings.

I love phenyl rings, especially the ones with just the plain breading and real rings, not the chopped-up-and-extruded ones. Damn, now I want some.
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Postby ALMF » Thu May 23, 2013 9:43 pm

The Keystone Federation wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:And we have scout leaders and boy scouts. There is no issue aside from your absurd belief that homosexuals all want to have sex with children.

What the fuck? I didn't say that. If you would allow me to actually explain instead of being so ignorant maybe you would be able to understand that this is the point in why they have had it banned for so long. People think that when you place homosexual males into a group of homosexual kids, those homosexual males (even straight scout leaders have molested their kids in the past) will be more likely to molest the children than straight males. It's not a very hard concept to grasp that this is the reason why people are against this. It isn't homophobia, they want to protect their children, and I agree with them 100%- and may I remind you that I am in fact in full support of gay rights.
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Postby ALMF » Thu May 23, 2013 9:46 pm

The Keystone Federation wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:They had it banned because they believed it was immoral, not because they worried about homosexual pedophiles.

You think the rest of society thinks the same? Especially conservatives? I can create a list of the people I know who would say the complete opposite.

Make it and send it to the ICC at the Hage. Well have a second nurinburg.
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Postby Ensiferum » Thu May 23, 2013 9:47 pm

Less bigotry in the world, good.

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Postby Zokoria » Thu May 23, 2013 9:48 pm

This is good news for the Boy Scouts, but they need to go further:

They must allow gay adults as well as those who aren't that religious.

Anyways, congratulations to them for standing up for equality, even if they don't allow gay adults in the Boy Scouts for the time being.
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Postby ALMF » Thu May 23, 2013 9:50 pm

Yankee Empire wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:Obivously, all gays are pedophiles.

Don't you leftists use a similair case against the death penalty?
That passed purely on probability innocent people will inevitably be executed?
If you have openly Gay Scout leaders and Teenage Boy (or worse even younger)scouts isn't it inevitable tyhat something will happen?
Then whats your argument?
Oh it's be fine "cuz consent"?

You still knead more likely and you got less likely than strate men. So your argument still comes down to homophobia.
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Postby Eucadian Federation » Thu May 23, 2013 10:12 pm

Yankee Empire wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:Obivously, all gays are pedophiles.

Don't you leftists use a similair case against the death penalty?
That passed purely on probability innocent people will inevitably be executed?
If you have openly Gay Scout leaders and Teenage Boy (or worse even younger)scouts isn't it inevitable tyhat something will happen?
Then whats your argument?
Oh it's be fine "cuz consent"?


Okay, I'm totally going to be a grammar nazi...

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Don't you leftists use a SIMILAR case against the death penalty?
That passed, purely on probability, that innocent people will inevitably be executed?
If you have openly Gay Scout Leaders and teenage BOYS (or worse, even younger scouts), isn't it inevitable THAT something will happen?
Then what's your argument?
Oh IT'LL be fine "BECAUSE OF CONSENT"
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Postby ALMF » Thu May 23, 2013 10:12 pm

Spiritwolf wrote:
Nomelan wrote:how is it bad?

Everything LGBT is an abomination in the eyes of God and in the eyes of our community (and yes, that includes our children).

Then we nead a new Nerunburg for your community (and yes, that includes your children).
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Postby ALMF » Thu May 23, 2013 10:25 pm

Christo et Ecclesiae wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Being homosexual does not mean you are having sex all the time. Allowing homosexuals to join does not mean that they will begin having sex anymore than allowing heterosexual students in coed schools leads to people screwing each other in the middle of class. There is this magical thing called "restraint", that almost everyone on Earth possesses.

found this interesting. http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=Is01B1

FRC? :clap: Why not quot the Gastopo on the risks of the presence of Jews?
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Postby ALMF » Thu May 23, 2013 10:33 pm

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Hittanryan wrote:Your article isn't. Give us links to their CDC sources, so we can see how much liberty they took with the studies.

http://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/about.htm

I'm pretty sure this has plenty to support my argument. Not to even mention bullying and exclusion.

"It is no-longer reasonable to bleave that, in the absence of effects of discrimination, LGBT has detrimental health effects..." Were dose this support your position?
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Postby Hathradic States » Thu May 23, 2013 10:36 pm

They still suck. Boy Scouts...such a waste of my time.

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Postby ALMF » Thu May 23, 2013 10:51 pm

Christo et Ecclesiae wrote:
Nomelan wrote:"Differences in sexual behavior account for some of these disparities, but others are associated with social and structural inequities, such as the stigma and discrimination that LGBT populations experience"

In other words, it's your fault and people like you's fault that this is the case.


first off buddy boy, I don't bully. I stand up against what I believe to be wrong just as you are standing up for what you believe to be right. I will never insult a LGBT person for their beliefs but it is completely unnecessary to force a private organization to accept people contradictory to their values, while completely disregarding the negative mental and physical effects of engaging in homosexual activity. Scouts should be taught the dangers of all sexual activity with multiple partners. Especially the effects of having anal sex. Scouts should be taught to have sexual absence until over the age of consent and joined in wedlock.

I want to see the league risks of the fraudulent claim "[there exist] negative mental and physical effects of engaging in homosexual activity. "
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu May 23, 2013 10:54 pm

Yankee Empire wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:I am surprised. I expected a "paper tiger" but will wait for it to be final.

If the Christians want to bail out, let them. Scouting isn't supposed to be about hate. They can teach hatred in their churches all they want......


Allow Gays, ban Christians *nods*


I will make it simple for you.

Gays were banned.

Christians aren't being banned.

See the difference.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu May 23, 2013 10:57 pm

Yankee Empire wrote:
The Corparation wrote:Yes there is such thing. Except that this isn't that thing. You're saying there are no restrictions on boys joining. We have pointed out that there are in fact restrictions against atheists and there were restrictions up until now against gays.You maintained that there aren't any restrictions. I fail to see how encouraging you to understand the definition of what a restriction actually is is anything resembling a strawman attack.


I said there were no restrictions on boys joining, which is true.

If they want to openly declare themselves Atheists or Homosexuals then thats a differant matter from them being boys.

They may be boys, but thats not why their being restricted.


Repeating that claim doesn't make it true.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu May 23, 2013 11:01 pm

Yankee Empire wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
The Atheist thing will take some work as it requires changes to the pledge and oath......

Or they could fuck off and either deal with it or not join.


Nahh just get rid of the Christians. Scouting doesn't belong to them anyway.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu May 23, 2013 11:05 pm

Dakran wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:I am surprised. I expected a "paper tiger" but will wait for it to be final.

If the Christians want to bail out, let them. Scouting isn't supposed to be about hate. They can teach hatred in their churches all they want......


If I remember correctly, Scouts were supposed to promote tolerance.


Once they were. Then over time the Religious element took over top spots and then crap like signing morality pledges happened.

In time I might get back to helping out again.


The Black Forrest wrote:
Sort out one problem at a time.

There were a couple openly Atheists in my old troop.


It depends on the troop. Officially; they should not increase in Rank due to the Religious pledges.

In time it will change. The gay scout ruling is a rather large step for them.

The girl scouts allowed for Gay scouts and left the Religious stuff to the person. Say it or don't say it. Neither was punishable.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu May 23, 2013 11:09 pm

Yankee Empire wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:Obivously, all gays are pedophiles.

Don't you leftists use a similair case against the death penalty?


Kind of like those "Christians" how proclaim pro-life and want to kill abortion doctors.

In other words WTF are you talking about?

That passed purely on probability innocent people will inevitably be executed?
If you have openly Gay Scout leaders and Teenage Boy (or worse even younger)scouts isn't it inevitable tyhat something will happen?
Then whats your argument?
Oh it's be fine "cuz consent"?


Why don't you show the link between homosexuals and pedophiles?
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Eucadian Federation wrote:This forum is dead...


Think that one up all by your lonesome?
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The Black Forrest wrote:
Eucadian Federation wrote:This forum is dead...


Think that one up all by your lonesome?


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