Boy Scouts of America allow gay scouts

[Cameroi]

the problem remains, or did the last i heard, of a ban still being in place, on openly lgbt scout LEADERS.

is there any update on that?

allowing openly gay children to participate at the lower levels, my understanding is that the ban on that was lifted several months ago.

but they were still banned from graduating to eagle scout level and beyond.

[Farnhamia]

so I have a conservative source? Cool. They used CDC studies and referenced them. I like the FRC.

All I'm getting is unprotected sex leads to higher risk of STD with unprotected anal being the easiest way to contract an STD. Did I miss something else related to the CDC?

Socialism? Obamacare?

[Threlizdun]

Okay, I'm not going to insert myself onto you any further (don't be a pervert), but I highly suggest you look at the link I posted a few posts back..

No, I'm not "accepting defeat" I'm simply backing off, because I know you won't change your opinion.
Also: http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Tolerant-to-P ... s-Opinions

I will not tolerate intolerance, as that is not a morally sound thing to do. I would like an answer to my last series of questions however. If a "no" is provided for any of them, then you will have admitted you are not consistent in your beliefs. If you answer "yes", to any of them, then enjoy returning to the Dark Ages.

[Desperate Measures]

All I'm getting is unprotected sex leads to higher risk of STD with unprotected anal being the easiest way to contract an STD. Did I miss something else related to the CDC?

??

What can I help you with?

[Grenartia]

found this interesting. http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=Is01B1

FRC is about as valid as a link from Westboro Baptist Church, or the KKK, as they are all hate groups.

An unbiased source, please?

pshh half the stuff in there were CDC studies. Read the article.

Most likely taken totally out of context, no doubt.

Nothing in that is more recent than January of 2001. And the Family Research Council kind of has an agenda.

I do too! And a study is a study. The facts remain true.

They're only "studies" and "facts", if one uses very loose definitions of the terms.

Believe it or not, "studies" CAN be manipulated, which, in turn CAN be used to manipulate "facts". This is why we ask for peer-reviewed sources, as they are subject to scrutiny, and can therefore be determined if the study was conducted in such a way so as to either minimize or totally eliminate any and all possible manipulation, intended or not.

They are already exposed to it. Welcome to the present day. Note how the Earth continues to rotate. Note how time hasn't come to stop. It's gonna be OK.

This is why we have to teach our children when they are young what is right and what is wrong. Because they will be exposed to all that is in this world eventually and they need to be able to recognize what they are seeing, categorize it correctly, and then deal with it for what it is. My sons will know who you are, what you are, and how to deal with your kind.

Tell me. What exactly is so "wrong" about something that HARMS NOBODY?

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

http://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/about.htm

I'm pretty sure this has plenty to support my argument. Not to even mention bullying and exclusion.

"Social inequality is often associated with poorer health status, and sexual orientation has been associated with multiple health threats. Members of the LGBT community are at increased risk for a number of health threats when compared to their heterosexual peers. Differences in sexual behavior account for some of these disparities, but others are associated with social and structural inequities, such as the stigma and discrimination that LGBT populations experience" (emphasis mine). You should read what you claim supports you.

notice what I said in my post. Yeah! It does totally support my claim. Put a gay kid in a room full of straight kids and his health will be hurt. We don't need to be mad about the scouts excluding them in the first place.

[Esparmuran]

Tell me. What exactly is so "wrong" about something that HARMS NOBODY?

It's against gawd.

[Farnhamia]

"Social inequality is often associated with poorer health status, and sexual orientation has been associated with multiple health threats. Members of the LGBT community are at increased risk for a number of health threats when compared to their heterosexual peers. Differences in sexual behavior account for some of these disparities, but others are associated with social and structural inequities, such as the stigma and discrimination that LGBT populations experience" (emphasis mine). You should read what you claim supports you.

notice what I said in my post. Yeah! It does totally support my claim. Put a gay kid in a room full of straight kids and his health will be hurt. We don't need to be mad about the scouts excluding them in the first place.

So you're just concerned for the health of all these poor homosexual kids. Right.

[Threlizdun]

I think the line should be drawn when we see a parent preach hate to a child. We all have our lines.

Guess so

What happened to preaching to me for the last few pages that all opinions are equally valid?

[Hittanryan]

This is why we have to teach our children when they are young what is right and what is wrong. Because they will be exposed to all that is in this world eventually and they need to be able to recognize what they are seeing, categorize it correctly, and then deal with it for what it is. My sons will know who you are, what you are, and how to deal with your kind.

Tell me. What exactly is so "wrong" about something that HARMS NOBODY?

I believe the argument boils down to "it's icky." Which is weird, because I think eating chips that fell in a puddle on the sidewalk is icky too, but for some reason I don't have a national political party basing its platform on preventing it.

[Vasahatu]

Do you think this kid is a gay scout?

[Desperate Measures]

All I'm getting is unprotected sex leads to higher risk of STD with unprotected anal being the easiest way to contract an STD. Did I miss something else related to the CDC?

Socialism? Obamacare?

Eviller and eviller!

[Esparmuran]

Do you think this kid is a gay scout?

Who gives a shit. He teleported. That's fucking badass.

[Nomelan]

"Social inequality is often associated with poorer health status, and sexual orientation has been associated with multiple health threats. Members of the LGBT community are at increased risk for a number of health threats when compared to their heterosexual peers. Differences in sexual behavior account for some of these disparities, but others are associated with social and structural inequities, such as the stigma and discrimination that LGBT populations experience" (emphasis mine). You should read what you claim supports you.

notice what I said in my post. Yeah! It does totally support my claim. Put a gay kid in a room full of straight kids and his health will be hurt. We don't need to be mad about the scouts excluding them in the first place.

If he is excluded his health is hurt. If we teach our kids moral decency and kindness, there's no risk at all because sexuality will be seen like skin color.

[Hittanryan]

"Social inequality is often associated with poorer health status, and sexual orientation has been associated with multiple health threats. Members of the LGBT community are at increased risk for a number of health threats when compared to their heterosexual peers. Differences in sexual behavior account for some of these disparities, but others are associated with social and structural inequities, such as the stigma and discrimination that LGBT populations experience" (emphasis mine). You should read what you claim supports you.

notice what I said in my post. Yeah! It does totally support my claim. Put a gay kid in a room full of straight kids and his health will be hurt. We don't need to be mad about the scouts excluding them in the first place.

His health will only be hurt if people like you tell the straight kids it's all right to hurt his health.

[Desperate Measures]

"Social inequality is often associated with poorer health status, and sexual orientation has been associated with multiple health threats. Members of the LGBT community are at increased risk for a number of health threats when compared to their heterosexual peers. Differences in sexual behavior account for some of these disparities, but others are associated with social and structural inequities, such as the stigma and discrimination that LGBT populations experience" (emphasis mine). You should read what you claim supports you.

notice what I said in my post. Yeah! It does totally support my claim. Put a gay kid in a room full of straight kids and his health will be hurt. We don't need to be mad about the scouts excluding them in the first place.

You are fired from the problem solving committee. Have your desk empty by the end of the day.

[Farnhamia]

Guess so

What happened to preaching to me for the last few pages that all opinions are equally valid?

We've moved on.

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

http://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/about.htm

I'm pretty sure this has plenty to support my argument. Not to even mention bullying and exclusion.

"Differences in sexual behavior account for some of these disparities, but others are associated with social and structural inequities, such as the stigma and discrimination that LGBT populations experience"

In other words, it's your fault and people like you's fault that this is the case.

first off buddy boy, I don't bully. I stand up against what I believe to be wrong just as you are standing up for what you believe to be right. I will never insult a LGBT person for their beliefs but it is completely unnecessary to force a private organization to accept people contradictory to their values, while completely disregarding the negative mental and physical effects of engaging in homosexual activity. Scouts should be taught the dangers of all sexual activity with multiple partners. Especially the effects of having anal sex. Scouts should be taught to have sexual absence until over the age of consent and joined in wedlock.

[Farnhamia]

"Differences in sexual behavior account for some of these disparities, but others are associated with social and structural inequities, such as the stigma and discrimination that LGBT populations experience"

In other words, it's your fault and people like you's fault that this is the case.

first off buddy boy, I don't bully. I stand up against what I believe to be wrong just as you are standing up for what you believe to be right. I will never insult a LGBT person for their beliefs but it is completely unnecessary to force a private organization to accept people contradictory to their values, while completely disregarding the negative mental and physical effects of engaging in homosexual activity. Scouts should be taught the dangers of all sexual activity with multiple partners. Especially the effects of having anal sex. Scouts should be taught to have sexual absence until over the age of consent and joined in wedlock.

Well, the BSA has changed its values to be more inclusive. Organizations change and evolve. I suppose you could advocate for repeal of this change inside the organization. That's your right.

[Desperate Measures]

"Differences in sexual behavior account for some of these disparities, but others are associated with social and structural inequities, such as the stigma and discrimination that LGBT populations experience"

In other words, it's your fault and people like you's fault that this is the case.

first off buddy boy, I don't bully. I stand up against what I believe to be wrong just as you are standing up for what you believe to be right. I will never insult a LGBT person for their beliefs but it is completely unnecessary to force a private organization to accept people contradictory to their values, while completely disregarding the negative mental and physical effects of engaging in homosexual activity. Scouts should be taught the dangers of all sexual activity with multiple partners. Especially the effects of having anal sex. Scouts should be taught to have sexual absence until over the age of consent and joined in wedlock.

Good thing then that the boyscouts weren't forced and that gay marriage is just down the road for the whole country.

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

notice what I said in my post. Yeah! It does totally support my claim. Put a gay kid in a room full of straight kids and his health will be hurt. We don't need to be mad about the scouts excluding them in the first place.

You are fired from the problem solving committee. Have your desk empty by the end of the day.

there wasn't a problem! The problem is that bsa is having to comprise their morals because people (many whom were not involved in the scouting program) were protesting. That's the problem.

[Hittanryan]

"Differences in sexual behavior account for some of these disparities, but others are associated with social and structural inequities, such as the stigma and discrimination that LGBT populations experience"

In other words, it's your fault and people like you's fault that this is the case.

first off buddy boy, I don't bully. I stand up against what I believe to be wrong just as you are standing up for what you believe to be right. I will never insult a LGBT person for their beliefs but it is completely unnecessary to force a private organization to accept people contradictory to their values, while completely disregarding the negative mental and physical effects of engaging in homosexual activity. Scouts should be taught the dangers of all sexual activity with multiple partners. Especially the effects of having anal sex. Scouts should be taught to have sexual absence until over the age of consent and joined in wedlock.

Abstinence-only sex ed never works. You can go look it up, even. They don't teach how to use contraceptives, even though teenagers are horny and are going to have sex regardless. Teen pregnancy rates are all higher in states that focus on abstinence only.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Why do you hate the ideals, values, and principles of Scouting so much?

Because the ban on homosexuals always was against those very ideals, values, and principles.

what are you conveying? That morally straight has a secret meaning?

Not secret at all. It's pretty clear: it means trying to be unerring in your adherence to moral principles.

Which includes unconditional acceptance of perfectly legitimate sexual preferences such as homosexuality, heterosexuality, bisexuality, pansexuality, and a lot of things in between.

If you don't accept those, you have erred in you adherence to moral principles, and therefore you are not morally straight.

[Farnhamia]

You are fired from the problem solving committee. Have your desk empty by the end of the day.

there wasn't a problem! The problem is that bsa is having to comprise their morals because people (many whom were not involved in the scouting program) were protesting. That's the problem.

There was an actual vote of the troop leaders, more than 1400 of them, and more than 60% approved. It's not like there was a coup.

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

first off buddy boy, I don't bully. I stand up against what I believe to be wrong just as you are standing up for what you believe to be right. I will never insult a LGBT person for their beliefs but it is completely unnecessary to force a private organization to accept people contradictory to their values, while completely disregarding the negative mental and physical effects of engaging in homosexual activity. Scouts should be taught the dangers of all sexual activity with multiple partners. Especially the effects of having anal sex. Scouts should be taught to have sexual absence until over the age of consent and joined in wedlock.

Well, the BSA has changed its values to be more inclusive. Organizations change and evolve. I suppose you could advocate for repeal of this change inside the organization. That's your right.

hey! What a great idea! You can help me out if you wish.