Boy Scouts of America allow gay scouts

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Thing is, we do want to. Our National Council just voted to progress. A majority of scouts support said progression.

you cannot say "we" unless everyone is included. The vote was not unanimous and many scouts do not support this change. Including myself. (SPL TROOP 205 MURRYSVILLE, PA)

Why do you hate the ideals, values, and principles of Scouting so much?

Because the ban on homosexuals always was against those very ideals, values, and principles.

[Desperate Measures]

They are already exposed to it. Welcome to the present day. Note how the Earth continues to rotate. Note how time hasn't come to stop. It's gonna be OK.

This is why we have to teach our children when they are young what is right and what is wrong. Because they will be exposed to all that is in this world eventually and they need to be able to recognize what they are seeing, categorize it correctly, and then deal with it for what it is. My sons will know who you are, what you are, and how to deal with your kind.

You mean with kindness and respect? What a good father you are!

[The Keystone Federation]

To further clarify my position in which I think I have explained thoroughly, I'd like to show you this website, just to make sure you fully understand:
http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Tolerant-to-People's-Opinions

[Farnhamia]

This is why we have to teach our children when they are young what is right and what is wrong. Because they will be exposed to all that is in this world eventually and they need to be able to recognize what they are seeing, categorize it correctly, and then deal with it for what it is. My sons will know who you are, what you are, and how to deal with your kind.

You mean with kindness and respect? What a good father you are!

At least he won't teach them to hunt down and hang homosexuals. There is that.

[Threlizdun]

By saying your opinion's are the truth undermines their own.

What? I'm not saying they don't have the right to hold their beliefs. I am simply saying they are wrong. If my criticism damages the "value" of their bigoted claim, then I am doing what I intend to.

Anti-gay beliefs do not have to be violent?

They don't have to advocate violence by simply believing homosexuality is wrong. By advocating for enforcement of such beliefs though, then yes, they certainly are supporting violence.

Their beliefs in particular could come from their religious beliefs, are you now saying that their religion is wrong as well?

Yes

Why don't you just tear up the first amendment while you're at it as well. (Joke)

I fully support their right to hold wrong beliefs. However, this is not going to stop me from criticizing them. If they cannot hold up to scrutiny, then they are hardly views worth having.

Look, if you state that one person's beliefs are wrong, just because you and a certain group of people believe they are wrong and a certain other (fairly large, mind you) group believes the opposite, than you yourself are the only person who is wrong, you become the person who is discriminating.

It doesn't work that way. A majority does not make something right. The sun did not revolve around the Earth when most people believe it did.

Is in some cases homophobia the cause of violence, discrimination, or social alienation? Most certainly, however, in most other cases, being anti-homosexual simply means that a person is anti-homosexual, they believe that gays shouldn't have the same rights as others,

Then they are a cause of violence, discrimination, and social alienation.

this is just a belief, if you insult not just the people who get violent about it, but also the people who just believe it because it's their, well, belief, than you are just making yourself look ignorant and just as discriminatory as you claim them to be in the first place, does this clear up my position on the matter?

No, calling people out for holding wrong beliefs does not make you ignorant. I am not ignorant by calling a flat earther wrong, nor am I ignorant by calling a Nazi wrong, nor am I by calling a homophobe wrong. Unless if you propose we reintroduce spontaneous generation into biology, offer alchemy as an alternative to chemistry, allow ritual sacrifice for religious reasons, then you are being inconsistent. In fact, you are being inconsistent right now by making objective claims about my beliefs on this matter.

[The Keystone Federation]

This is why we have to teach our children when they are young what is right and what is wrong. Because they will be exposed to all that is in this world eventually and they need to be able to recognize what they are seeing, categorize it correctly, and then deal with it for what it is. My sons will know who you are, what you are, and how to deal with your kind.

You mean with kindness and respect? What a good father you are!

I think we should draw the line when it comes to insulting someone's parenting skills...

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

The CDC isn't a credible source?

Your article isn't. Give us links to their CDC sources, so we can see how much liberty they took with the studies.

http://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/about.htm

I'm pretty sure this has plenty to support my argument. Not to even mention bullying and exclusion.

[Esparmuran]

You mean with kindness and respect? What a good father you are!

AT least he won't teach them to hunt down and hang homosexuals. There is that.

"Just remember son, gays are ebul and against gawd, so hate them with all your heart. On the other hand, don't kill them, or the ebul librul policemons will throw u in da jailz."

[Desperate Measures]

Of course you found that interesting. It's Dobson.
"The Southern Poverty Law Center designated the FRC as a hate group in the Winter 2010 issue of its magazine, Intelligence Report"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council

so I have a conservative source? Cool. They used CDC studies and referenced them. I like the FRC.

All I'm getting is unprotected sex leads to higher risk of STD with unprotected anal being the easiest way to contract an STD. Did I miss something else related to the CDC?

[Threlizdun]

You mean with kindness and respect? What a good father you are!

AT least he won't teach them to hunt down and hang homosexuals. There is that.

Erm, I don't know about you, but when I man who says I is willing to murder his wife over abortion says he will teach his sons "how to deal with your kind", I think there's a good chance murder will be in the details.

[Desperate Measures]

You mean with kindness and respect? What a good father you are!

At least he won't teach them to hunt down and hang homosexuals. There is that.

I'm not entirely convinced but hopefully there is that.

[Nomelan]

You mean with kindness and respect? What a good father you are!

I think we should draw the line when it comes to insulting someone's parenting skills...

You're in the wrong place, son

[The Nihilistic view]

They are already exposed to it. Welcome to the present day. Note how the Earth continues to rotate. Note how time hasn't come to stop. It's gonna be OK.

This is why we have to teach our children when they are young what is right and what is wrong. Because they will be exposed to all that is in this world eventually and they need to be able to recognize what they are seeing, categorize it correctly, and then deal with it for what it is. My sons will know who you are, what you are, and how to deal with your kind.

Given your flag, I don't like where you are heading.

[The Keystone Federation]

By saying your opinion's are the truth undermines their own.

What? I'm not saying they don't have the right to hold their beliefs. I am simply saying they are wrong. If my criticism damages the "value" of their bigoted claim, then I am doing what I intend to.

Anti-gay beliefs do not have to be violent?

They don't have to advocate violence by simply believing homosexuality is wrong. By advocating for enforcement of such beliefs though, then yes, they certainly are supporting violence.

Their beliefs in particular could come from their religious beliefs, are you now saying that their religion is wrong as well?

Yes

Why don't you just tear up the first amendment while you're at it as well. (Joke)

I fully support their right to hold wrong beliefs. However, this is not going to stop me from criticizing them. If they cannot hold up to scrutiny, then they are hardly views worth having.

Look, if you state that one person's beliefs are wrong, just because you and a certain group of people believe they are wrong and a certain other (fairly large, mind you) group believes the opposite, than you yourself are the only person who is wrong, you become the person who is discriminating.

It doesn't work that way. A majority does not make something right. The sun did not revolve around the Earth when most people believe it did.

Is in some cases homophobia the cause of violence, discrimination, or social alienation? Most certainly, however, in most other cases, being anti-homosexual simply means that a person is anti-homosexual, they believe that gays shouldn't have the same rights as others,

Then they are a cause of violence, discrimination, and social alienation.

this is just a belief, if you insult not just the people who get violent about it, but also the people who just believe it because it's their, well, belief, than you are just making yourself look ignorant and just as discriminatory as you claim them to be in the first place, does this clear up my position on the matter?

No, calling people out for holding wrong beliefs does not make you ignorant. I am not ignorant by calling a flat earther wrong, nor am I ignorant by calling a Nazi wrong, nor am I by calling a homophobe wrong. Unless if you propose we reintroduce spontaneous generation into biology, offer alchemy as an alternative to chemistry, allow ritual sacrifice for religious reasons, then you are being inconsistent. In fact, you are being inconsistent right now by making objective claims about my beliefs on this matter.

Okay, I'm not going to insert myself onto you any further (don't be a pervert), but I highly suggest you look at the link I posted a few posts back..

No, I'm not "accepting defeat" I'm simply backing off, because I know you won't change your opinion.
Also: http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Tolerant-to-P ... s-Opinions

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

you cannot say "we" unless everyone is included. The vote was not unanimous and many scouts do not support this change. Including myself. (SPL TROOP 205 MURRYSVILLE, PA)

Why do you hate the ideals, values, and principles of Scouting so much?

Because the ban on homosexuals always was against those very ideals, values, and principles.

what are you conveying? That morally straight has a secret meaning?

[Desperate Measures]

You mean with kindness and respect? What a good father you are!

I think we should draw the line when it comes to insulting someone's parenting skills...

I think the line should be drawn when we see a parent preach hate to a child. We all have our lines.

[Farnhamia]

Your article isn't. Give us links to their CDC sources, so we can see how much liberty they took with the studies.

http://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/about.htm

I'm pretty sure this has plenty to support my argument. Not to even mention bullying and exclusion.

"Social inequality is often associated with poorer health status, and sexual orientation has been associated with multiple health threats. Members of the LGBT community are at increased risk for a number of health threats when compared to their heterosexual peers. Differences in sexual behavior account for some of these disparities, but others are associated with social and structural inequities, such as the stigma and discrimination that LGBT populations experience" (emphasis mine). You should read what you claim supports you.

[Nomelan]

Your article isn't. Give us links to their CDC sources, so we can see how much liberty they took with the studies.

http://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/about.htm

I'm pretty sure this has plenty to support my argument. Not to even mention bullying and exclusion.

"Differences in sexual behavior account for some of these disparities, but others are associated with social and structural inequities, such as the stigma and discrimination that LGBT populations experience"

In other words, it's your fault and people like you's fault that this is the case.

[Spiritwolf]

Grenartia........... there will always be people who have completely opposing beliefs and lifestyles, people who are completely intolerant of each other and their philosophies. Don't take it personally, it is simply a fact of life.

I like how you just irrationally try to attack people for having different beliefs than you or different sexuality from you, while not even TRYING to explain WHY. Because you can't make a rational argument.

I don't have to justify my position to you or to anyone else.

[Hittanryan]

Your article isn't. Give us links to their CDC sources, so we can see how much liberty they took with the studies.

http://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/about.htm

I'm pretty sure this has plenty to support my argument. Not to even mention bullying and exclusion.

It supports your argument, assuming you didn't read the article. It says unprotected gay sex carries a higher risk of STD transmission, which considering it's unprotected, is a bit of a no-brainer. It also states that undue social stigma and marginalization lead to self-destructive habits like substance abuse, not homosexuality itself. So, self-fulfilling prophecy?

[Farnhamia]

http://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/about.htm

I'm pretty sure this has plenty to support my argument. Not to even mention bullying and exclusion.

"Differences in sexual behavior account for some of these disparities, but others are associated with social and structural inequities, such as the stigma and discrimination that LGBT populations experience"

In other words, it's your fault and people like you's fault that this is the case.

No need to shout.

[Nomelan]

I like how you just irrationally try to attack people for having different beliefs than you or different sexuality from you, while not even TRYING to explain WHY. Because you can't make a rational argument.

I don't have to justify my position to you or to anyone else.

Because you can't

[The Keystone Federation]

I think we should draw the line when it comes to insulting someone's parenting skills...

I think the line should be drawn when we see a parent preach hate to a child. We all have our lines.

Guess so

[Christo et Ecclesiae]

so I have a conservative source? Cool. They used CDC studies and referenced them. I like the FRC.

All I'm getting is unprotected sex leads to higher risk of STD with unprotected anal being the easiest way to contract an STD. Did I miss something else related to the CDC?

??

[Nomelan]

"Differences in sexual behavior account for some of these disparities, but others are associated with social and structural inequities, such as the stigma and discrimination that LGBT populations experience"

In other words, it's your fault and people like you's fault that this is the case.

No need to shout.

Since he doesn't read his own source, I wanted to make sure that this was easier for somebody like him to read