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Postby Nomelan » Thu May 23, 2013 8:00 pm

Christo et Ecclesiae wrote:
Nomelan wrote:An unbiased source, please?

pshh half the stuff in there were CDC studies. Read the article.

find the cdc studies, then.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu May 23, 2013 8:00 pm

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Threlizdun wrote:Being homosexual does not mean you are having sex all the time. Allowing homosexuals to join does not mean that they will begin having sex anymore than allowing heterosexual students in coed schools leads to people screwing each other in the middle of class. There is this magical thing called "restraint", that almost everyone on Earth possesses.

found this interesting. http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=Is01B1

Nothing in that is more recent than January of 2001. And the Family Research Council kind of has an agenda.
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Postby Timsvill » Thu May 23, 2013 8:00 pm

Russadonia wrote:
Timsvill wrote:About gays in Texas. :meh:


Rick Perry is an imbecile who has the thinking capacity of a half-eaten sandwich.
I don't care what he thinks.

Neither do most texans. That's why there where more murders in 2012 and this year alone!
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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu May 23, 2013 8:00 pm

Christo et Ecclesiae wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Being homosexual does not mean you are having sex all the time. Allowing homosexuals to join does not mean that they will begin having sex anymore than allowing heterosexual students in coed schools leads to people screwing each other in the middle of class. There is this magical thing called "restraint", that almost everyone on Earth possesses.

found this interesting. http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=Is01B1

Of course you found that interesting. It's Dobson.
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Postby Russadonia » Thu May 23, 2013 8:01 pm

Timsvill wrote:
Russadonia wrote:
Rick Perry is an imbecile who has the thinking capacity of a half-eaten sandwich.
I don't care what he thinks.

Neither do most texans. That's why there where more murders in 2012 and this year alone!


That.
Makes.
No.
Sense.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu May 23, 2013 8:01 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:Did he get banned?

He rage quit.
Look at his last 2 forum posts.

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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Thu May 23, 2013 8:01 pm

Spiritwolf wrote:
Nomelan wrote:How?

The LGBT political agenda seeks to infiltrate and destroy any and all organizations that exist within which our healthy children may be taught the right way in which to live their lives. Bring up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it. We will teach our children the right way to live in spite of the LGBT assault on our family values. We do not hate you for being LGBT but we are intolerant of you and your lifestyle and you WILL NOT CORRUPT OUR CHILDREN.


Why do you support the teaching of values that will undermine family stability and corrupt our children? Is it because you hate America and Christianity with every ounce of your being?
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Postby Hittanryan » Thu May 23, 2013 8:02 pm

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Hittanryan wrote:Works for me, religious crybabies can continue crying.

WAaAA!WAAAAA! AHAHA! CRY SOME MORE!

WHAT SICK MAN SENDS BABIES TO FIGHT ME?!

At any rate, I don't understand what it is that the naysayers think gay scout leaders will actually do that is so bad. Are they expecting them to dress the scouts in bondage gear or introduce teabagging as a campsite prank? I'd think that a straight scout leader would be fired for doing the same thing, so what is the issue here?
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Postby Christo et Ecclesiae » Thu May 23, 2013 8:02 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Christo et Ecclesiae wrote:found this interesting. http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=Is01B1

Nothing in that is more recent than January of 2001. And the Family Research Council kind of has an agenda.

I do too! And a study is a study. The facts remain true.

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Postby Timsvill » Thu May 23, 2013 8:03 pm

Russadonia wrote:
Timsvill wrote:Neither do most texans. That's why there where more murders in 2012 and this year alone!


That.
Makes.
No.
Sense.

They don't care about Rick Perry and his laws or any other laws in Texas. It's my fault, should have explained it better
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Postby The Keystone Federation » Thu May 23, 2013 8:03 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Spiritwolf wrote:The LGBT political agenda seeks to infiltrate and destroy any and all organizations that exist within which our healthy children may be taught the right way in which to live their lives. Bring up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it. We will teach our children the right way to live in spite of the LGBT assault on our family values. We do not hate you for being LGBT but we are intolerant of you and your lifestyle and you WILL NOT CORRUPT OUR CHILDREN.


Why do you support the teaching of values that will undermine family stability and corrupt our children? Is it because you hate America and Christianity with every ounce of your being?

Why do you type one lined opinions on everybody's post instead of coming up with a more legitimate and well-structured response.

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Postby Hittanryan » Thu May 23, 2013 8:03 pm

Christo et Ecclesiae wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Nothing in that is more recent than January of 2001. And the Family Research Council kind of has an agenda.

I do too! And a study is a study. The facts remain true.

That's not how studies work. If you lack credible sources, then they were never facts to begin with.
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Postby Spiritwolf » Thu May 23, 2013 8:04 pm

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Tsmida Eri wrote:Exposing children to homosexuality, brilliant, why don't we just poison our water supply while we're at it...

They are already exposed to it. Welcome to the present day. Note how the Earth continues to rotate. Note how time hasn't come to stop. It's gonna be OK.

This is why we have to teach our children when they are young what is right and what is wrong. Because they will be exposed to all that is in this world eventually and they need to be able to recognize what they are seeing, categorize it correctly, and then deal with it for what it is. My sons will know who you are, what you are, and how to deal with your kind.

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Postby The Keystone Federation » Thu May 23, 2013 8:04 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
Christo et Ecclesiae wrote:I do too! And a study is a study. The facts remain true.

That's not how studies work. If you lack credible sources, then they were never facts to begin with.

Hypothetheories is the word you're looking for.

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Postby Christo et Ecclesiae » Thu May 23, 2013 8:04 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:
Christo et Ecclesiae wrote:found this interesting. http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=Is01B1

Of course you found that interesting. It's Dobson.
"The Southern Poverty Law Center designated the FRC as a hate group in the Winter 2010 issue of its magazine, Intelligence Report"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council

so I have a conservative source? Cool. They used CDC studies and referenced them. I like the FRC.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu May 23, 2013 8:05 pm

Christo et Ecclesiae wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Nothing in that is more recent than January of 2001. And the Family Research Council kind of has an agenda.

I do too! And a study is a study. The facts remain true.

The point is, having an agenda, the FRC will naturally choose studies that support its agenda and ignore ones that don't.
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Postby New Libertarian States » Thu May 23, 2013 8:05 pm

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New Libertarian States wrote:He rage quit.
Look at his last 2 forum posts.

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Postby Christo et Ecclesiae » Thu May 23, 2013 8:05 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
Christo et Ecclesiae wrote:I do too! And a study is a study. The facts remain true.

That's not how studies work. If you lack credible sources, then they were never facts to begin with.

The CDC isn't a credible source?

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Postby Esparmuran » Thu May 23, 2013 8:05 pm

Spiritwolf wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Tolerance of intolerance is not a societal ideal. If we want to progress, bigots must be countered. The alienation of select children based on their sexual orientation is something that should concern us all.

You know why most children get isolated and beat up? Because they are poor, they aren't wearing the "right" jeans, they don't have the newest I-phone, etc. Or simply because they are different in some way. Intolerance is a wicked thing, true, but it serves it's purpose. I will teach my sons to be intolerant of LGBT "persons" and their lifestyle but I am stopping short of teaching them to hunt you down and hang you. So don't push me with your political agenda bullshit.


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Postby Farnhamia » Thu May 23, 2013 8:06 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:Ah, okay. Well, NSG is the Hotel California of the Internet.

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Postby Hittanryan » Thu May 23, 2013 8:06 pm

Spiritwolf wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:They are already exposed to it. Welcome to the present day. Note how the Earth continues to rotate. Note how time hasn't come to stop. It's gonna be OK.

This is why we have to teach our children when they are young what is right and what is wrong. Because they will be exposed to all that is in this world eventually and they need to be able to recognize what they are seeing, categorize it correctly, and then deal with it for what it is. My sons will know who you are, what you are, and how to deal with your kind.

"Right and wrong" are subjective. To suggest otherwise breeds fanaticism.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu May 23, 2013 8:06 pm

Christo et Ecclesiae wrote:
Kazomal wrote:
While that may be the case, the majority of our National Council, and a majority of scouts support the decision. So it is unfair to say that the Scouts don't want this change. It is the BSA who made this change, no one forced them.

(Eagle Scout, Troop 220, Wheaton, MD)

note I did say many. And that's debatable. Huge pushes from the LGBT community really drove Bsa to the edge.


Those "huge pushes" are called using facts and logic to convince somebody to support our view. There is NOTHING inherently wrong with that, contrary to what the tone of your post indicates.

Spiritwolf wrote:Grenartia........... there will always be people who have completely opposing beliefs and lifestyles, people who are completely intolerant of each other and their philosophies. Don't take it personally, it is simply a fact of life.


I have no choice but TO take it personally, as there's no other way it CAN be taken.

Indeed, because injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, I find myself compelled to do all I can to eradicate ignorance, point out hypocrisy and double standards, and to oppose oppression.

Tsmida Eri wrote:1. Adults already have enough problems understanding homosexuality, why should children now have to understand it too?

2. This isn't about equality, it's about common sense, the boy scouts are exactly what their title suggests, boys, and 3. having homosexual boys among them will no doubt lead to 'experimentation', which will cause a whole mess of problems.


1. That literally makes no sense. Allow me to swap some words around to illustrate to you how stupid your sentence is. "Adults already have enough problems understanding mathematics, why should children now have to understand it too?"

2. Actually, its about BOTH, because equality IS common sense.

3. Source? Again, it must be scientific and peer-reviewed.
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Postby Christo et Ecclesiae » Thu May 23, 2013 8:07 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Christo et Ecclesiae wrote:I do too! And a study is a study. The facts remain true.

The point is, having an agenda, the FRC will naturally choose studies that support its agenda and ignore ones that don't.

even still, if they reference credible sources then it is perfectly fine. The sources referenced in the article are credible.

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Postby Hittanryan » Thu May 23, 2013 8:07 pm

Christo et Ecclesiae wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:That's not how studies work. If you lack credible sources, then they were never facts to begin with.

The CDC isn't a credible source?

Your article isn't. Give us links to their CDC sources, so we can see how much liberty they took with the studies.
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Postby Nomelan » Thu May 23, 2013 8:07 pm

Christo et Ecclesiae wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Nothing in that is more recent than January of 2001. And the Family Research Council kind of has an agenda.

I do too! And a study is a study. The facts remain true.

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