Gun Controllers: Which type of gun restriction is better?

[Golambia]

Except that you can't grow guns and even if you make your own, you wouldn't be able to smoke/snort/inject it away. And if you were to use it, you'd be arrested for illegal possession of a firearm.

Banning guns has worked well in Europe, it can work in America with enough time.

Anyone with a decent machine shop and some understanding of how to read blueprints can make a gun. I'm pretty sure I could make a simple level action rifle.

And no shit, you can't chop a revolver up into lines and snort it.

Not sure what you'd do with the rifle. You can't carry it around, it would be too visible (and so you can't really commit crimes) and if you defend your house with it, you'll get charged with illegal possession of a firearm.

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

Gun control should be like the internet, where there is a terms and conditions window that people must read and accept before they can purchase a gun.

It's bound to work!

[Bilgeria]

Anyone with a decent machine shop and some understanding of how to read blueprints can make a gun. I'm pretty sure I could make a simple level action rifle.

And no shit, you can't chop a revolver up into lines and snort it.

IF YOU REALLY TRIED, I'M SURE YOU COULD SOMEHOW SNORT UP A REVOLVER!

I am, trying to imagine that, all I can think of is pain....You know though, someone out there, being drunk or high enough, probably tried.

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

Anyone with a decent machine shop and some understanding of how to read blueprints can make a gun. I'm pretty sure I could make a simple level action rifle.

And no shit, you can't chop a revolver up into lines and snort it.

Not sure what you'd do with the rifle. You can't carry it around, it would be too visible (and so you can't really commit crimes) and if you defend your house with it, you'll get charged with illegal possession of a firearm.

Nevermind the fact that it is more likely to explode in your hands rather than shoot anybody.

There is a reason why homemade weapons haven't taken off, yet.

[Bilgeria]

Not sure what you'd do with the rifle. You can't carry it around, it would be too visible (and so you can't really commit crimes) and if you defend your house with it, you'll get charged with illegal possession of a firearm.

Nevermind the fact that it is more likely to explode in your hands rather than shoot anybody.

There is a reason why homemade weapons haven't taken off, yet.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/2 ... 08533.html That may very well soon change.

[Yjafjord]

IF YOU REALLY TRIED, I'M SURE YOU COULD SOMEHOW SNORT UP A REVOLVER!

I am, trying to imagine that, all I can think of is pain....You know though, someone out there, being drunk or high enough, probably tried.

for that matter, why not snort gunpowder?
maybe even light a match up after to smoke a roll!

[Golambia]

Nevermind the fact that it is more likely to explode in your hands rather than shoot anybody.

There is a reason why homemade weapons haven't taken off, yet.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/2 ... 08533.html That may very well soon change.

It's made of plastic. Plastic melts. You'll be lucky if you can shoot twice without losing your hand.

Also, it can only shoot one bullet.

Not to mention that it has no barrel so no precision.

Don't forget that it doesn't even have the intimidation factor, a nerf would look scarier.

[Blazedtown]

Anyone with a decent machine shop and some understanding of how to read blueprints can make a gun. I'm pretty sure I could make a simple level action rifle.

And no shit, you can't chop a revolver up into lines and snort it.

Not sure what you'd do with the rifle. You can't carry it around, it would be too visible (and so you can't really commit crimes) and if you defend your house with it, you'll get charged with illegal possession of a firearm.

A break action pistol wouldn't be difficult either.

[Bilgeria]

I am, trying to imagine that, all I can think of is pain....You know though, someone out there, being drunk or high enough, probably tried.

for that matter, why not snort gunpowder?
maybe even light a match up after to smoke a roll!

peeps ahead of you there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown-brown

I wonder if its explosive...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/2 ... 08533.html That may very well soon change.

It's made of plastic. Plastic melts. You'll be lucky if you can shoot twice without losing your hand.

Also, it can only shoot one bullet.

Not to mention that it has no barrel so no precision.

Don't forget that it doesn't even have the intimidation factor, a nerf would look scarier.

Very true. But the tech is there, and how long do you think it will be until that changes? 1 year. 5? With the amount of people working on it, wouldn't be surprised to see by end of year. people are also looking into semi/automatic fire. I think there was a youtube video with someone that had a prototype of a semi fight multi round printer gun.

[Golambia]

Not sure what you'd do with the rifle. You can't carry it around, it would be too visible (and so you can't really commit crimes) and if you defend your house with it, you'll get charged with illegal possession of a firearm.

A break action pistol wouldn't be difficult either.

It still might explode in your hands.

Also, no guns means almost no school shootings, a teen won't be able to make guns and won't be able to take his parent's guns since they most likely won't have one.

[Bilgeria]

A break action pistol wouldn't be difficult either.

It still might explode in your hands.

Also, no guns means almost no school shootings, a teen won't be able to make guns and won't be able to take his parent's guns since they most likely won't have one.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... 3-injured/
Don't need a gun to kill children.

[Yjafjord]

for that matter, why not snort gunpowder?
maybe even light a match up after to smoke a roll!

peeps ahead of you there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown-brown

I wonder if its explosive...

oh god, my sides!

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/2 ... 08533.html That may very well soon change.

It's made of plastic. Plastic melts. You'll be lucky if you can shoot twice without losing your hand.

Also, it can only shoot one bullet.

Not to mention that it has no barrel so no precision.

Don't forget that it doesn't even have the intimidation factor, a nerf would look scarier.

The whole point about homemade weapons is that they are complete pieces of shit. It's Russian Roulette when it comes to whether you or your target is going to get shot, and even if you do manage to fire the damned thing, you're not going to hit anything past throwing distance and all you are going to end up with is a broken makeshift gun.

It's honestly something of last resort that very desperate people would use, and only if they want to get killed in the most humiliating way possible.

[Blazedtown]

A break action pistol wouldn't be difficult either.

It still might explode in your hands.

Also, no guns means almost no school shootings, a teen won't be able to make guns and won't be able to take his parent's guns since they most likely won't have one.

Some guy built in Russia built a fully functional full auto auto AK out a bunch of old shovels and vodka. I think I could manage a simple pistol and make it well enough to still have my fingers.

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

It still might explode in your hands.

Also, no guns means almost no school shootings, a teen won't be able to make guns and won't be able to take his parent's guns since they most likely won't have one.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... 3-injured/
Don't need a gun to kill children.

>Injured.
>Dead.

There's a difference.

[Yjafjord]

It still might explode in your hands.

Also, no guns means almost no school shootings, a teen won't be able to make guns and won't be able to take his parent's guns since they most likely won't have one.

Some guy built in Russia built a fully functional full auto auto AK out a bunch of old shovels and vodka. I think I could manage a simple pistol and make it well enough to still have my fingers.

this is Russia you are talking about, the masters of salvage. i mean look at this
http://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=7e7bf7ab3439
some drunk Russian with his buddies got that working after about 60 years of neglect.

[Golambia]

It still might explode in your hands.

Also, no guns means almost no school shootings, a teen won't be able to make guns and won't be able to take his parent's guns since they most likely won't have one.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... 3-injured/
Don't need a gun to kill children.

Except that they didn't die.
"Injured"

Also, there's plenty of knife crime London. There's a lot less gun crime, because guns aren't easy to obtain them. Having to build your own gun takes time and is risky if you've never done it before. Not to mention that you can get arrested simply for owning a gun, you're not going to go out with one in public.

It still might explode in your hands.

Also, no guns means almost no school shootings, a teen won't be able to make guns and won't be able to take his parent's guns since they most likely won't have one.

Some guy built in Russia built a fully functional full auto auto AK out a bunch of old shovels and vodka. I think I could manage a simple pistol and make it well enough to still have my fingers.

Source that shit.

And some guys built an atomic bomb, I guess it's entirely safe for me to try making C4. Just because some people manage doesn't mean everyone will manage.

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

It still might explode in your hands.

Also, no guns means almost no school shootings, a teen won't be able to make guns and won't be able to take his parent's guns since they most likely won't have one.

Some guy built in Russia built a fully functional full auto auto AK out a bunch of old shovels and vodka. I think I could manage a simple pistol and make it well enough to still have my fingers.

Do you know how difficult gunsmithing is? Even if you're making crude weaponry out of shit parts you got from a local hardware store?

That shit is more likely to kill you than the poor bastard you're aiming at. The only way that Russian would've gotten things right is if he worked with firearms before and had a decent skill in machinery, otherwise, you're pretty much attempting to half-ass Russian Roulette.

[Bilgeria]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... 3-injured/
Don't need a gun to kill children.

>Injured.
>Dead.

There's a difference.

Read the rest of the article.
One month later, just a few hours after Zheng Minsheng was executed for his crime, another man, Chen Kanbing wounded 16 students and a teacher in a knife attack at another primary school in Fujian. The following month, on May 12, a man named Wu Huangming killed seven children and two adults with a meat cleaver at a kindergarten in Shaanxi Province. That attack was followed by an August 4 assault by Fang Jiantang, who killed three children and one teacher with a knife at a kindergarten in Shandong Province.

In 2011, a young girl and three adults were killed with an axe at an elementary school in Henan Province by a 30-year-old man named Wang Hongbin, and eight children were hurt in Shanghai after an employee at a child care center attacked them with a box cutter.

For my last post, AR15, 600 rounds. Don't know if its accurate or not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZRUpmMIQy8

I can buy a lower 80% unlicensed, make it myself, and by the rest of the parts without a background check at a gun shop or a gun show. No serial. You just need the machine tool to finish it. You can rent space or find someone who will let you use it. It would be perfectly legal to own in the state its made.

[Bilgeria]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... 3-injured/
Don't need a gun to kill children.

Except that they didn't die.
"Injured"

Also, there's plenty of knife crime London. There's a lot less gun crime, because guns aren't easy to obtain them. Having to build your own gun takes time and is risky if you've never done it before. Not to mention that you can get arrested simply for owning a gun, you're not going to go out with one in public.

I can make an effective shotgun, for about 50 bucks. No gun smithing, no fabrication. Its very rudimentary, 1 shot, reload.

[Blazedtown]

Some guy built in Russia built a fully functional full auto auto AK out a bunch of old shovels and vodka. I think I could manage a simple pistol and make it well enough to still have my fingers.

Do you know how difficult gunsmithing is? Even if you're making crude weaponry out of shit parts you got from a local hardware store?

That shit is more likely to kill you than the poor bastard you're aiming at. The only way that Russian would've gotten things right is if he worked with firearms before and had a decent skill in machinery, otherwise, you're pretty much attempting to half-ass Russian Roulette.

I'm a pretty good machinist and have access to better quality materials than the local hardware store.

Source that shit.

And some guys built an atomic bomb, I guess it's entirely safe for me to try making C4. Just because some people manage doesn't mean everyone will manage.

http://izismile.com/2012/12/06/homemade ... _pics.html

[Golambia]

You'll notice that when people died, a lot less people died than in shootings.

As for that 3D printed AR-15, I heavily doubt that since
1) 3D printers can only print plastic
2) Plastic melts.

Certain parts might have been 3D printed but not all of it. There's a reason that the Liberator made the news: it's the first fully 3D printed gun.

You're also forgetting that while the liberator only costs 25 dollars to make, the 3D printer costs 8000 dollars.

[Golambia]

Do you know how difficult gunsmithing is? Even if you're making crude weaponry out of shit parts you got from a local hardware store?

That shit is more likely to kill you than the poor bastard you're aiming at. The only way that Russian would've gotten things right is if he worked with firearms before and had a decent skill in machinery, otherwise, you're pretty much attempting to half-ass Russian Roulette.

I'm a pretty good machinist and have access to better quality materials than the local hardware store.

Source that shit.

And some guys built an atomic bomb, I guess it's entirely safe for me to try making C4. Just because some people manage doesn't mean everyone will manage.

http://izismile.com/2012/12/06/homemade ... _pics.html

You will need: shovel: $2, Romy sans-barrel AK kit: $200, barrel blank: $30, which brings the total cost of this creation to $232.

"Romy sans barrel AK kit, barrel blank"
it's not made entirely out of shovels, he made the non mechanic parts out of a shovel. And he used a kit to make it. With a gun ban in place, there wouldn't be a kit.

And even if you made a working gun, making bullets is harder.

[Bilgeria]

You'll notice that when people died, a lot less people died than in shootings.

As for that 3D printed AR-15, I heavily doubt that since
1) 3D printers can only print plastic
2) Plastic melts.

Certain parts might have been 3D printed but not all of it. There's a reason that the Liberator made the news: it's the first fully 3D printed gun.

You're also forgetting that while the liberator only costs 25 dollars to make, the 3D printer costs 8000 dollars.

Very, very true. There is no way, that I could feasibly spend 8k on a printer.
But a company can, and so can someone with money.

[Insane Kidney Mentality]

Except that they didn't die.
"Injured"

Also, there's plenty of knife crime London. There's a lot less gun crime, because guns aren't easy to obtain them. Having to build your own gun takes time and is risky if you've never done it before. Not to mention that you can get arrested simply for owning a gun, you're not going to go out with one in public.

I can make an effective shotgun, for about 50 bucks. No gun smithing, no fabrication. Its very rudimentary, 1 shot, reload.

No rifling, shot barrel unfit for withstanding the pressures of firing cartridges, crude firing pin forged out of cheap parts; is that sounding similar towards your shotgun? Because if it is, it sure is effective alright - as a pipe bomb.